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[NoChillJones]

Relative to the cost of putting somebody through school back then yeah factory wages back then were more equitable. Wages have not kept pace with inflation either and least of all in the coastal US so no it's not total bullshyt, purchasing power back then was stronger. According to this $4.03/hr in 1971 was equivalent to $22.40/hr today.

This is a chart of average weekly earnings looking at the wage differential between whites blacks and Hispanics from the 60s to the 90s with inflation accounted for. The 70s was one of the best decades for black wage equity for obvious reasons (civil rights era). You notice that throughout the 70s the average was above 500 a week or about $8-10 an hour for a 40 hour work week (although obviously many were working far more than 40 hours a week).

Black folks (and particularly working class black folks) were on track for much bigger gains in equity UNTIL mass incarceration in the 80s and 90s completely fukked it up. It is a sweeping statement but definitely an accurate one on the West Coast where I'm from.

You notice that throughout the 70s the average was above 500 a week or about $8-10 an hour for a 40 hour work week

So $8-10 an hour on a 40 hour work week averages about to $500 a week huh............your fukked up math actually makes perfect sense now.......no need to continue on. I mean any man that says that 4.03 which is about $160 a week in the 70's (which clearly doesn't make sense with the chart you posted) is the same as 22 an hour with is just under 990 weekly now.........this nikka is a math genius yall......

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

You notice that throughout the 70s the average was above 500 a week or about $8-10 an hour for a 40 hour work week

So $8-10 an hour on a 40 hour work week averages about to $500 a week huh............your fukked up math actually makes perfect sense now.......no need to continue on. I mean any man that says that 4.03 which is about $160 a week in the 70's (which clearly doesn't make sense with the chart you posted) is the same as 22 and hour with is just under 990 weekly.........this nikka is a math genius yall......

Learn to read breh, the numbers were with inflation accounted for. The chart clearly states "1997 dollars".

 

[NoChillJones]

Learn to read breh, the numbers were with inflation accounted for.

The numbers are fukking ridiculous and don't make sense breh.......stop doing dumb ass google searches o cover up you talking out your ass and let it go.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

The numbers are fukking ridiculous and don't make sense breh.......stop doing dumb ass google searches o cover up you talking out your ass and let it go.

You're arguing that black people in the 70s around the whole country were lucky to make $1.67 an hour regardless of the trade or industry because...? You've been talking out of your ass for 3 pages now. The 70's were one of the most equitable points in time for black wages in the last half a century, you simply didn't know what you were talking about.

 

[NoChillJones]

You're arguing that black people in the 70s around the whole country were lucky to make $1.67 an hour regardless of the trade or industry because...? You've been talking out of your ass for 3 pages now.

I stated minimum wage in the 60's was 1.63 which is fact . Name one fact you have posted. Everything you've stated has been speculation breh........don't get upset my dude you started this back and forth, and so far you've yet to make your point. Either make a definitive point or be quiet about it.....

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

I stated minimum wage in the 60's was 1.63 which is fact . Name one fact you have posted. Everything you've stated has been speculation breh........don't get upset my dude you started this back and forth, and so far you've yet to make your point. Either make a definitive point or be quiet about it.....

The point is that blue collar labor was NOT bottom of the barrel in the 70s and in fact was a gigantic improvement over the slave wages sharecropping wages being paid down south. If they were bottom of the barrel wages why were whites lining up all over the country to work in the factories as well? The combination of the GI Bill plus the mid century industrial boom was the #1 driving force behind the rise of the white middle class. Industry/port/military labor is what brought black people to Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, LA, etc. in droves in the first place and in a small handful of careers like longshoremen the workforce is still significantly black to this day and still provides an adequate living although those careers have not kept pace with inflation either. Literally hundreds of black communities around the country were sustained by these careers and were thriving. These same neighborhoods today from North Richmond to North St. Louis are in ruins because industry labor was replaced by prison labor and in certain states the remaining blue collar labor fields are showing much greater preference towards ESL labor.

 

[NoChillJones]

The point is that blue collar labor was NOT bottom of the barrel in the 70s and in fact was a gigantic improvement over the slave wages sharecropping wages being paid down south. If they were bottom of the barrel wages why were whites lining up all over the country to work in the factories as well? The combination of the GI Bill plus the mid century industrial boom was the #1 driving force behind the rise of the white middle class. Industry/port/military labor is what brought black people to Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, LA, etc. in droves in the first place and in a small handful of careers like longshoremen the workforce is still significantly black to this day and still provides an adequate living although those careers have not kept pace with inflation either. Literally hundreds of black communities around the country were sustained by these careers and were thriving. These same neighborhoods today from North Richmond to North St. Louis are in ruins because industry labor was replaced by prison labor and in certain states the remaining blue collar labor fields are showing much greater preference towards ESL labor.

No they are in ruins because the industrial boom is over and has been for decades. Factory jobs are no longer available. In addition white flight excelled the decline of these inner city industries. And people still needed jobs regardless of the pay. Some jobs did better then most(I will concede to that) but a there were TONS of jobs to worked men to death that didn't pay shyt for scraps especially black employees you have to concede to that. And even with that. In todays world these jobs are not necessarily putting kids through college at all. Most people are barely getting by. there are some in between but its mostly shyt jobs with shyt pay...........I've worked my fair share as well.

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

No they are in ruins because the industrial boom is over and has been for decades. Factory jobs are no longer available. In addition white flight excelled the decline of these inner city industries. And people still needed jobs regardless of the pay. Some jobs did better then most(I will concede to that) but a there were TONS of jobs to worked men to death that didn't pay shyt for scraps especially black employees you have to concede to that. And even with that. In todays world these jobs are not necessarily putting kids through college at all. Most people are barely getting by. there are some in between but its mostly shyt jobs with shyt pay...........I've worked my fair share as well.

This I agree with, blue collar wages these days are not cutting it to put nobody through college.and in my region don't really even cut it to pay the bills. That being said, black folks in my region are relocating to the central valley and/or Nevada where the recession never ended... It's crazy to see immigrant labor in such high demand in the coastal cities (which are coincidentally the largest job centers in the state) to the point where some employers are going directly to latino job boards and eschewing Craigslist and etc. entirely The coastal cities are bending over backwards with the sanctuary city shyt but meanwhile there ain't a single sanctuary city in Central CA other than Fresno. Not Stockton, Modesto, none of that shyt... Ergo CA employers are clearly prioritizing immigrant (and more specifically undocumented) labor which is the only reason the sanctuary city shyt even flies at all.

 

[panopticon]

This I agree with, blue collar wages these days are not cutting it to put nobody through college.and in my region don't really even cut it to pay the bills. That being said, black folks in my region are relocating to the central valley and/or Nevada where the recession never ended... It's crazy to see immigrant labor in such high demand in the coastal cities (which are coincidentally the largest job centers in the state) to the point where some employers are going directly to latino job boards and eschewing Craigslist and etc. entirely The coastal cities are bending over backwards with the sanctuary city shyt but meanwhile there ain't a single sanctuary city in Central CA other than Fresno. Not Stockton, Modesto, none of that shyt... Ergo CA employers are clearly prioritizing immigrant (and more specifically undocumented) labor which is the only reason the sanctuary city shyt even flies at all.

Just wanted to say that you clearly know your shyt, especially regarding the state of the black blue collar workforce immediately post-civil rights.



Black men, uneducated due to racism and lack of economic opportunity, were able to earn a living wage working as unionized janitors throughout the Los Angeles area well into the 1980s. These men were able to get married, purchase homes within a reasonable commuting distance of their jobs, and raise families. Many of the children of these men went off to college - some (unfortunate) others ended up trapped in the war on drugs - but worst of all were the children of these men that were interested in continuing in blue collar work, but found themselves pushed out of the labor force by the tsunami of illegal (and legal) immigrants that started in the mid-1980s.

Imagine that - janitors were able to live with dignity and secure for themselves and their families a promising future. Men who worked in warehouses, as tradesmen, as truck drivers, as sanitation workers (garbagemen), as city parks & rec workers...they did even better for themselves.

Illegal immigration decimated the black working class in CA. It really is unbelievable what was allowed to happen over the past 30 years.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

they are taking low skill jobs that use to goto younger or unskilled blacks. like warehouse, fastfood, construction jobs. their children (who shouldnt be here either) are taking jobs from college educated blacks.

i already saw the shift in cali first hand. where young black adults were suddenly changed with older hispanics. all of a sudden being bilingual became a major requirement.

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better yet, show me your sources that blacks arent negatively affected by immigration. we'll save the discussion about their social impact on black communities for later

This doesn't show that they have..... yall keep hollering immigration.... when the culprit is unregulated crony capitalism. Like I said, if all immigrants disappeared over night.... Most of those jobs would be filled with another non black demographic that has a certain skillset willing to work for those wages......

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

Illegal immigration decimated the black working class in CA. It really is unbelievable what was allowed to happen over the past 30 years.

Immigration hasn't decimated anything.... Corporations run the block.... if they want cheap exploitable labor, the government will find a way to get it them.... just that simple