BREAKING: Saudis Intercept Missile From Yemen. UPDATE: WALID BIN TALAL ARRESTED (11 PRINCES TOTAL)

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I mean maybe NK if the admin is really unhinged.

It's probably just graft and propping up the industry. You know the usual conservatives picking winners and losers.

Munitions could be expiring too.

Another surge in Afghanistan is also possible...

Agreed on NK. A new ME conflict is starting to seem inevitable. I’m not sure if it’s posturing. One of these guys works on missle tech and said orders are 3-4x larger than he’s ever seen and he’s been there since before the afghan war started. Who knows. Hopefully it is just posturing.
 

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Good thread on how traditional assumptions about Saudi politics no longer hold @Trajan


Good looking out.

Some of those, e.g clerics being untouchable was never really a rule. It was always Al Saud > clerics.Clerics always fell in line e.g Bin Baz giving that fatwa for American boots in KSA after Fahd put intense pressure on him. And of course Al Awda was also arrested back then. Going back even further...Ibn Saud installed telegraphs, phone lines...imported cars etc regardless of Ulema opposition who regarded it as unislamic. He was just more diplomatic in his dealings with them lol.

I think the biggest shock has been the shattering of rule by consensus. As incompetent and profligate as Saud Bin Abdulaziz was, Faisal was not willing to move against him unless the entire Al Saud + Ulamma were on board. Even then he wanted Saud to step down rather than removing by saying "We don't do coups on Al Saud". MBS out here arresting people...calling them corrupt and freezing assets :damn:. He's moving in the direction of your traditional Arab autocrat (Saddam, Hafiz, Mubarak, Gaddafi) rather than the typical Gulf monarchies who preferred lots of carrots over sticks.

But that thread is right...he's the most powerful "King" since Ibn Saud. Aramco, Ministry of Defence, Interior, National Guard, Economy, and now this anti-corruption committee with unlimited powers. Dude is an amalgamation of Nayef, Sultan, Abdullah etc :whew:

Btw I saw an article that called Abdulaziz bin Fahad the MBS that never was :dead:
 
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EXCLUSIVE: Senior figures tortured and beaten in Saudi purge :dwillhuh:

Some senior figures detained in last Saturday's purge in Saudi Arabia were beaten and tortured so badly during their arrest or subsequent interrogations that they required hospital treatment, Middle East Eye can reveal.

Sources inside the royal court also told MEE that the scale of the crackdown, which has brought new arrests each day, is also much bigger than Saudi authorities have admitted, with more than 500 people detained and double that number questioned.

Members of the royal family, government ministers and business tyc00ns were all caught up in the sudden wave of arrests orchestrated by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, known as MbS, under the banner of an anti-corruption drive.

Some, but not all, of the top figures arrested were singled out for the most brutal treatment, suffering wounds to the body sustained by classic torture methods. There are no wounds to their faces, so that they will show no physical signs of their ordeal when they next appear in public.

Some detainees were tortured to reveal details of their bank accounts. MEE is unable to report specific details about the abuse they suffered in order to protect the anonymity of its sources.

The purge, which follows an earlier round-up of Muslim clerics, writers, economists and public figures, is creating panic in Riyadh, the Saudi capital, particularly among those associated with the old regime of King Abdullah who died in 2015, with power passing to his half-brother King Salman.


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To prevent others from fleeing, MbS has ordered a freeze on private bank accounts. The number of account closures and those banned from travel is many times the number of people who have been arrested, sources in Riyadh told MEE.

No-one expected a crackdown of this scale and against princes of such seniority in the House of Saud, which is why so many of those detained were caught red-handed and had no time to flee.

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In Bedouin culture, the attack on his cousins will not be forgotten or forgiven. Their public humiliation, as well as the freezing of their assets, is seen as a blow to their honour, which surviving members of their family are duty bound to avenge. (like I said earlier..no way is this shyt gonna rock. He's bugging out)


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Exclusive - Lebanon believes Saudi holds Hariri, demands his return

Exclusive - Lebanon believes Saudi holds Hariri, demands his return
BEIRUT (Reuters) - Lebanon believes Saad al-Hariri is being held in Saudi Arabia, from where he resigned as Lebanese prime minister, two top government officials in Beirut said, amid a deepening crisis pushing Lebanon onto the frontlines of a power struggle between Saudi Arabia and Iran.

FILE PHOTO: Lebanon's prime minister Saad al-Hariri gestures during a press conference in parliament building at downtown Beirut, Lebanon October 9, 2017. REUTERS/Mohamed Azakir/File Photo
A third source, a senior politician close to Saudi-allied Hariri, said Saudi Arabia had ordered him to resign and put him under house arrest. A fourth source familiar with the situation said Saudi Arabia was controlling and limiting his movement.

In a televised statement indicating deep concern at Hariri’s situation, his Future Movement political party said his return home was necessary to uphold the Lebanese system, describing him as prime minister and a national leader.

Hariri’s resignation last Saturday, read out on television from Saudi Arabia, came as a shock even to his aides and further embroiled Beirut in a regional contest between Riyadh and Tehran.

Hariri’s exit fuelled wide speculation that the Sunni Muslim politician, long an ally of Riyadh, was coerced into stepping down by Saudi Arabia as it seeks to hit back against Iran and its Lebanese Shi‘ite ally, Hezbollah.

In his resignation speech, Hariri denounced Iran and Hezbollah for sowing strife in Arab states and said he feared assassination. His father, a former prime minister, was killed by a bomb in 2005.

Saudi Arabia has denied reports he is under house arrest.

But Hariri has issued no statements himself to that effect, and has not denied that his movements are being restricted.

RESTRICTED FREEDOM
“Keeping Hariri with restricted freedom in Riyadh is an attack on Lebanese sovereignty. Our dignity is his dignity. We will work with (foreign) states to return him to Beirut,” said the senior Lebanese official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the government had yet to declare that position.

Saudi Arabia says Hariri resigned because Hezbollah, which was included in Hariri’s coalition government, had “hijacked” Lebanon’s political system.

Hariri aides had until Thursday denied he was under house arrest but took a dramatically different tone after a meeting of the Future Movement convened at Hariri’s Beirut residence on Thursday.

A statement read by former Prime Minister Fouad Siniora said his return was “necessary to recover respect for Lebanon’s internal and external balance, and in the framework of full respect for Lebanese legitimacy”.

Hariri’s aunt, Bahia, sat next to Siniora as he read the statement. The party stood behind his leadership, it said.

Hariri came to office last year in a political deal that made the Hezbollah-allied Christian politician Michel Aoun head of state and produced a coalition government grouping most Lebanese parties including Hezbollah.

Saudi Arabia blessed the government at the time, but has been fiercely critical of the Hariri-led government since he stepped down, saying it failed to act against Hezbollah, whose guerrilla army is far more powerful than the weak state.

Saudi Arabia had wanted Hariri to take a tougher stance towards Hezbollah, and he failed to do so, the fourth source said. “He was functioning as if it is business as usual, so the Saudis had to accelerate the process and to force a resignation.”

FILE PHOTO: Lebanon's Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri attends a general parliament discussion in downtown Beirut, Lebanon October 18, 2017. REUTERS/Mohamed Azakir/File Photo
Saudi Arabia this week lumped Lebanon together with Hezbollah as parties that are hostile to it, breaking with a long-established policy that has drawn a line between them and raising concerns of further Saudi measures.

SAUDI ARRESTS
Hariri flew to Saudi Arabia last Friday.

The top Lebanese government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said: “Lebanon is heading towards asking foreign and Arab states to put pressure on Saudi Arabia to release Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri.”

The official said Hariri was still Lebanon’s prime minister, echoing other Lebanese government officials who say his resignation had not been received by Aoun, and his government therefore remained in place.

The resignation of Hariri, a business tyc00n whose family made its fortune in Saudi Arabia, happened at the same time as a wave of arrests of Saudi princes and businessmen accused of corruption by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

The senior Lebanese politician close to Hariri said: “When he went (to Saudi Arabia) he was asked to stay there and ordered to resign. They ordered him to read his resignation statement and he has been held under house arrest since.”

Two U.S. officials said the Saudis, led by Crown Prince Mohammed, had “encouraged” Hariri to leave office.

The fourth source said: “He is under controlled movement by the Saudis, limited movement.”

Hezbollah’s parliamentary bloc said Saudi Arabia must halt its interference in Lebanese affairs.

He made a one-day flying visit to the United Arab Emirates, a close Saudi ally, earlier this week before returning to Saudi Arabia.

Hariri’s office said in a statement he had received the French ambassador to Saudi Arabia at his Riyadh residence on Thursday. He had also met the head of the EU mission to Saudi Arabia on Wednesday, and on Tuesday the British ambassador and the U.S. charge d‘affaires.

State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert confirmed U.S. Charge d‘Affaires Chris Henzel met with Hariri. Asked about reports Hariri was being held in Saudi Arabia, Nauert declined to elaborate on his status or what was discussed, calling the talks “sensitive, private, diplomatic conversations.”

Nauert indicated the United States would not treat the Lebanese government any differently as a result of the uncertainty over Hariri.

Saudi Arabia warned its citizens on Thursday against travel to Lebanon and said those already there should leave. It has issued similar advice about Lebanon to its citizens before.

Lebanon’s Maronite patriarch will visit Saudi Arabia next week and has received “a positive response” from Saudi officials over the possibility of seeing Hariri, his spokesman said.

Patriarch Beshara al-Rai’s visit “had been decided on a long time ago. In light of the developments, his mission has become national,” Walid Ghayyad said. The patriarch will take a message to the kingdom that “Lebanon cannot handle conflict.”

Additional reporting by Samia Nakhoul, Tom Perry, Ellen Francis, Sarah Dadouch and Lisa Barrington in Beirut and John Walcott in Washington; Writing by Tom Perry; Editing by Toby Chopra and Peter c00ney






It increasingly looks like Lebanon's prime minister is being held against his will by Saudi Arabia
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Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri arrives for a mass funeral of ten Lebanese soldiers at the Lebanese Defense Ministry, in Yarzeh near Beirut, Lebanon on Sept. 8, 2017. AP Photo/Hassan Ammar

  • Saad al-Hariri resigned as Lebanon's prime minister during a trip to Saudi Arabia.
  • Two major Lebanese parties have alleged that the prime minister is not being allowed to return to Lebanon.
  • Hariri is politically supported by Saudi Arabia and has not been seen back in his home country since his resignation.
Two of Lebanon's major political forces seem to be aligning in blaming Saudi Arabia for the surprise resignation of Prime Minister Saad al-Hariri last weekend.

Both Hezbollah, the Iran-backed militant group, and now, somewhat surprisingly, Hariri's own Saudi-backed Future Party have alleged that the prime minister is not being allowed to return to Lebanon.

Hariri — a dual Lebanese-Saudi citizen — resigned on Saturday during a trip to Saudi Arabia. Hariri is part of a joint government that includes Hezbollah, and he used his resignation speech to criticize that group and Iran.

Multiple Lebanese sources, as well as two US officials, told Reuters that Saudi Arabia was directly behind Hariri's resignation. The Lebanese sources also said that Saudi Arabia was now controlling his movements, although to what degree is unclear.

The Lebanese prime minister is politically supported by Saudi Arabia and has not been seen back in his home country since his resignation.

A statement issued by Hariri's Future Party on Thursday said it was "necessary" for the prime minister to return "to restore Lebanon's dignity and respect."

"The statement read by former Prime Minister Fuad Saniora seemed to indicate that Hariri is being held in Saudi Arabia against his will," the Associated Press reported.

This is a marked change by Saniora and other members of the Future Party. Saniora told Reuters earlier this week that he had spoken to Hariri since his resignation and that the prime minister would be returning to Lebanon.

Nohad Machnouk, Lebanon's interior minister and a Future Party member, told The New York Times that Hariri had reasons unrelated to Saudi Arabia to be frustrated with the Hezbollah-affiliated government. However, Machnouk also conceded that it looked like Saudi Arabia had at least orchestrated the timing of the prime minister's resignation.

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Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, right, meets with Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia in a photo released on October 30, 2017.Dalati Nohra via AP

Political polar opposites align to blame Saudi Arabia
The Future Party statement joins earlier remarks by their political rivals, Hezbollah, who also blamed Saudi Arabia for the prime minister's actions.

Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah's leader, said Sunday that Hariri's resignation was a "Saudi decision" that was "forced on him." Nasrallah also said there were "legitimate questions" in Lebanon about whether Hariri was being detained in Saudi Arabia.

The New York Times noted that the Monday front page of Al Akhbar, a newspaper that leans toward Hezbollah, called Hariri a "hostage."



“The Hostage”: Monday front page of #Hezbollah aligned newspaper Al-Akhbar on Saad #Hariri following his Saturday resignation as #Lebanon PM

— Sarah Dadouch (@SarahDadouch) 3:10 AM - Nov 6, 2017


Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Jubeir said in a CNN interview Monday that claims Hariri was being held by Saudi Arabia were "nonsense," and that as a dual passport holder the Lebanese prime minister would be able to leave Saudi Arabia when he wanted.

Jubeir blamed Hezbollah for Hariri's resignation, saying, "it was Hezbollah who were calling the shots, and he basically said enough is enough."

Hariri has left Saudi Arabia once since his resignation, for a day trip to the United Arab Emirates, a close Saudi ally. He returned directly to Saudi Arabia after his visit to the UAE.

Two top Lebanese government officials told Reuters that Lebanon is planning to work with foreign governments to secure Hariri's return.

Saudi Arabia further stroked regional tension on Thursday, ordering its citizens to leave Lebanon. It's likely a further sign of increased pressure on their regional rival, Iran.

After Hariri's resignation, one member of Lebanon's Parliament told CNN, "We are back to an escalation between Iran and Saudi Arabia on the Lebanese front."

The two US officials who spoke with Reuters indictated that Saudi pressure on Hariri to leave his post was led by Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who is also behind the weekend's landmark anti-corruption purge.

Crown Prince Mohammed is consolidating power in a way Saudi Arabia hasn't seen in decades and now effectively controls the three pillars of Saudi Arabia's security apparatus — the Ministry of Defense, the Ministry of the Interior, and the National Guard.
 

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Saudi Crackdown Targets Up to $800 Billion in Assets

The Saudi government is aiming to confiscate cash and other assets worth as much as $800 billion in its broadening crackdown on alleged corruption among the kingdom’s elite, according to people familiar with the matter.

Saudi Crackdown Targets Up to $800 Billion in Assets


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Number of frozen bank accounts has risen to nearly 2,000 and banks have been getting nearly hourly updates from the Central Bank on lists of accounts/names to freeze.

I guess real economic reform was too painful :skip:....money has to come from somewhere.


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Saudi Authorities Freeze Former Crown Prince’s Bank Accounts

Saudi authorities have frozen the bank accounts of the kingdom’s former crown prince, Mohammed bin Nayef, the latest royal targeted in a corruption crackdown carried out by a Saudi leadership seeking to consolidate power.

Dozens of royals, current and former officials and prominent businessmen were detained over the weekend, when the government launched a sweeping corruption investigation. Those detained face allegations that include money laundering, bribery and procurement fraud.


Saudi Authorities Freeze Former Crown Prince’s Bank Accounts

@thatknickfan he's not taking his foot off MBN's neck :wow:



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Good looking out.

Some of those, e.g clerics being untouchable was never really a rule. It was always Al Saud > clerics.Clerics always fell in line e.g Bin Baz giving that fatwa for American boots in KSA after Fahd put intense pressure on him. And of course Al Awda was also arrested back then. Going back even further...Ibn Saud installed telegraphs, phone lines...imported cars etc regardless of Ulema opposition who regarded it as unislamic. He was just more diplomatic in his dealings with them lol.

I think the biggest shock has been the shattering of rule by consensus. As incompetent and profligate as Saud Bin Abdulaziz was, Faisal was not willing to move against him unless the entire Al Saud + Ulamma were on board. Even then he wanted Saud to step down rather than removing by saying "We don't do coups on Al Saud". MBS out here arresting people...calling them corrupt and freezing assets :damn:. He's moving in the direction of your traditional Arab autocrat (Saddam, Hafiz, Mubarak, Gaddafi) rather than the typical Gulf monarchies who preferred lots of carrots over sticks.

But that thread is right...he's the most powerful "King" since Ibn Saud. Aramco, Ministry of Defence, Interior, National Guard, Economy, and now this anti-corruption committee with unlimited powers. Dude is an amalgamation of Nayef, Sultan, Abdullah etc :whew:

Btw I saw an article that called Abdulaziz bin Fahad the MBS that never was :dead:

:heh:

You seen those pics of him trying to get into that Manhattan club?

:pachaha:
 

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Excellent analysis, btw

Especially your point on Faisals takeover from Saud

I mean shyt, Fahd was damn near retarded for years with Abdullah running the country and they still left his ass on the throne for appearances sake
 

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Hezbollah's Nasrallah: Saudi Arabia Inciting Israel to Strike Lebanon
Hezbollah leader says Saudi Arabia has declared war on Lebanon and is detaining PM Hariri, warns Israel against 'any attempt to exploit the situation'

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Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said on Friday that Saudi Arabia had declared war on Lebanon and Hezbollah, and Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri was being detained in Riyadh.
Nasrallah said Saudi Arabia is inciting Israel to strike Lebanon. An Israeli war with Lebanon as unlikely, he said, but warned Israel against "any attempt to exploit the situation."
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In a televised address, Nasrallah said Hariri's resignation last Saturday was an "unprecedented Saudi intervention" in Lebanese politics and called for Hariri to return to Lebanon. He said Lebanon's government was still legitimate and had not resigned. Nasrallah said that Hariri's "forced" resignation is unconstitutional because it was done "under duress."
Saudi Arabia will fail in Lebanon, Nasrallah said, as it did in other arenas in the region.
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>> Analysis: Saudi Arabia is opening a new front against Iran, and wants Israel to do its dirty work ■ Will the Saudis' latest gamble prove another reckless failure? >>
Nasrallah said his militant group is watching carefully for any Israeli attempts to use the crisis to begin hostilities against Lebanon. Nasrallah said Israel is cautious and unlikely to make such a move.
Nasrallah is calming an apparently jittery population following Saudi Arabia's escalation against Hezbollah's patron Iran. Hariri's resignation last week was seen as a move by Riyadh to take its rivalry with Iran to the tiny Lebanon.
Some fear the escalation will pave the way for Israel to strike against Hezbollah, against which Israel has fought a number of wars. He said Israel should not think "we are troubled. No, absolutely not."
"Today we are more confident and feeling stronger in the face of any threat," said Nasrallah.


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Hezbollah's Nasrallah: Saudi Arabia Inciting Israel to Strike Lebanon
Hezbollah leader says Saudi Arabia has declared war on Lebanon and is detaining PM Hariri, warns Israel against 'any attempt to exploit the situation'

Reuters and The Associated Press Nov 10, 2017 4:18 PM
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Analysis Saudi Arabia is opening a new front against Iran, and wants Israel to do its dirty work
Analysis Syria, Yemen and now Lebanon: Will the Saudis' latest gamble prove another reckless failure?
Explained Who wants a war in the Middle East? Seven key players and their interests
Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said on Friday that Saudi Arabia had declared war on Lebanon and Hezbollah, and Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri was being detained in Riyadh.
Nasrallah said Saudi Arabia is inciting Israel to strike Lebanon. An Israeli war with Lebanon as unlikely, he said, but warned Israel against "any attempt to exploit the situation."
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In a televised address, Nasrallah said Hariri's resignation last Saturday was an "unprecedented Saudi intervention" in Lebanese politics and called for Hariri to return to Lebanon. He said Lebanon's government was still legitimate and had not resigned. Nasrallah said that Hariri's "forced" resignation is unconstitutional because it was done "under duress."
Saudi Arabia will fail in Lebanon, Nasrallah said, as it did in other arenas in the region.
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>> Analysis: Saudi Arabia is opening a new front against Iran, and wants Israel to do its dirty work ■ Will the Saudis' latest gamble prove another reckless failure? >>
Nasrallah said his militant group is watching carefully for any Israeli attempts to use the crisis to begin hostilities against Lebanon. Nasrallah said Israel is cautious and unlikely to make such a move.
Nasrallah is calming an apparently jittery population following Saudi Arabia's escalation against Hezbollah's patron Iran. Hariri's resignation last week was seen as a move by Riyadh to take its rivalry with Iran to the tiny Lebanon.
Some fear the escalation will pave the way for Israel to strike against Hezbollah, against which Israel has fought a number of wars. He said Israel should not think "we are troubled. No, absolutely not."
"Today we are more confident and feeling stronger in the face of any threat," said Nasrallah.


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I don’t doubt Israel is scheming but it’s highly in their interest to stay neutral and show the Lebanese (who don’t support hezbollah) that there is a future with the possibility of peace
 
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