BREAKING: Russia will face “catastrophic consequences” if it deploys nuclear weapons in Ukraine, the US has warned Kremlin officials

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Well I don't usually get involved in these convos and though I think the Russians bit off a bit more than they could chew in Ukraine, @The M.I.C. comments have some context.

Russia's technology in anti-air defense (the S-300 and S-400), anti-ship and anti-sub hypersonic weapons, ballistic missiles, and some other advanced shyt is basically top of the line tech. It has long been knowledge that S-300 and S-400 are the premier AA weaponry and their hypersonic torpedo tech is just better. I trust the ballistic missiles fire right since they basically owned the space launch market until we got Elon and SpaceX up and running. Their cyber capabilities, which scare me the most, are something we don't want to see deployed in earnest.

Here's the problem: Russia (and also China) have developed tech to fight a war against us. Basically to beat Americans you have to deny us air superiority and naval superiority. They could send thousands and seamen and pilots home in caskets if they were in that kind of a fight...but they aren't. Fighting Ukrainians on their own soil requires a trained and motivated infrantry, good tanks, APCs, etc. and other things they haven't invested in as highly since a large land war didn't seem the most likely outcome. Javelins etc. were made to pop those things and the Ukrainians have used them well. I have a feeling Putin's mistakes probably came from overruling his generals in how to conduct this war but that is another story.

Part of the reason Ukraine gave the Russian Air Force that work and they can't freely bomb the country into submission is Ukraine has S-300s. That Stinger missile stuff can't do the job like those can.

This is basically a Russia-US-NATO proxy war though people don't like to admit that. We give the Ukrainians weapons, satellite imagery, we have AWACS planes in the Black Sea and E. Europe so they know about any Russian air support the minute it takes off, we have advisers on the ground etc. In this kind of situation, the offensive party doesn't do well. Look what happened to us in Vietnam when they had Soviet/Chinese support or when the Angolans/Cubans mopped up the South Africans in the late 1980s. Poor countries with Superpower backing defending their homeland rarely lose in the last 75 years. Their countries can be devastated in the process though. Our success in Iraq came because the Soviets were out of the picture and the Chinese were like IDGAF. On the other hand, Russia and China would likely be in the mix if we attacked Iran so we would see a similar disaster.
I have absolutely no concerns about US air or naval power facing off in a conventional war vs Russia. Russia doesn’t have the logistics, training, and can’t generate the combat readiness needed to go against a NATO coalition.

On the tech side, ynlike Russia we actually know how to run SEAD and have airframes and tactics specifically created to counter S-300/400 type threats. Granted, the latter is still definitely top tier and would be a tough adversary.
 
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There is literally no scenario where the Chinese or Russians would be able to deny the US naval and air superiority. If war broke out over Iran the US would achieve air superiority in 96 hours. Every SAM site and usable airfield would be destroyed in the first 48 hours. Russia supposedly was considered a great power solely because of their infantry and land craft numbers yet now we are supposed to believe that since they’re getting exposed in this area they are actually a peer to the US technologically. FOH. NASA is literally testing knocking asteroids out of earths path :skip:



There is no area where Russia nor China is a peer to the USA

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Well I don't usually get involved in these convos and though I think the Russians bit off a bit more than they could chew in Ukraine, @The M.I.C. comments have some context.

Russia's technology in anti-air defense (the S-300 and S-400), anti-ship and anti-sub hypersonic weapons, ballistic missiles, and some other advanced shyt is basically top of the line tech. It has long been knowledge that S-300 and S-400 are the premier AA weaponry and their hypersonic torpedo tech is just better. I trust the ballistic missiles fire right since they basically owned the space launch market until we got Elon and SpaceX up and running. Their cyber capabilities, which scare me the most, are something we don't want to see deployed in earnest.

Here's the problem: Russia (and also China) have developed tech to fight a war against us. Basically to beat Americans you have to deny us air superiority and naval superiority. They could send thousands and seamen and pilots home in caskets if they were in that kind of a fight...but they aren't. Fighting Ukrainians on their own soil requires a trained and motivated infrantry, good tanks, APCs, etc. and other things they haven't invested in as highly since a large land war didn't seem the most likely outcome. Javelins etc. were made to pop those things and the Ukrainians have used them well. I have a feeling Putin's mistakes probably came from overruling his generals in how to conduct this war but that is another story.

Part of the reason Ukraine gave the Russian Air Force that work and they can't freely bomb the country into submission is Ukraine has S-300s. That Stinger missile stuff can't do the job like those can.

This is basically a Russia-US-NATO proxy war though people don't like to admit that. We give the Ukrainians weapons, satellite imagery, we have AWACS planes in the Black Sea and E. Europe so they know about any Russian air support the minute it takes off, we have advisers on the ground etc. In this kind of situation, the offensive party doesn't do well. Look what happened to us in Vietnam when they had Soviet/Chinese support or when the Angolans/Cubans mopped up the South Africans in the late 1980s. Poor countries with Superpower backing defending their homeland rarely lose in the last 75 years. Their countries can be devastated in the process though. Our success in Iraq came because the Soviets were out of the picture and the Chinese were like IDGAF. On the other hand, Russia and China would likely be in the mix if we attacked Iran so we would see a similar disaster.



Gas prices are currently low not due to shale oil but because we are tapping the strategic oil reserves. We've taken out almost 200 million barrels this year or nearly 1/3; it is at its lowest level since 1984. If all was gravy we shouldn't have to do this. If we were doing this just to get cheaper oil (avg price of reserves is about $30/barrel) we should be replacing it with oil just in case but there has been ZERO input into the reserve this year.

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Yall nikkas who refuse to let go of the Putin boogeyman narrative disgust me.

Y'all could see that lil 5 ft tall cac getting beat down and stomped out right in front of you and you would still be standing there like ":lupe: Putin ain't no joke, ya'll, just wait. "
 

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Emperor has no clothes talk.

United States has been two/three generations behind Russia in weapons tech for nearly 30 years. Only thing that has kept us at an edge was our navy and air force but that's pretty much gone at this point..the ridiculous thing is the Pentagon is fully aware of the shyt Russia has and yet here we are. Folks better realize that Russia would strike the United States and the UK first and also realize that your Government officials will promptly disappear into their bunkers while we're all left to deal with an exchange in hellfire.
We just bodied that whole country with hand-me-downs we gave to a bunch of Eurotrash rednecks
 

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I think it's apparent that Putin bit off more than he can chew, and because of that, showed how ineffective Russia is. I think Biden said this, this strongly, because it's known at this point all Russia has are it's nukes. Which is nothing to take lightly, but Russia shouldn't be taking L's like this.
 

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Emperor has no clothes talk.

United States has been two/three generations behind Russia in weapons tech for nearly 30 years. Only thing that has kept us at an edge was our navy and air force but that's pretty much gone at this point..the ridiculous thing is the Pentagon is fully aware of the shyt Russia has and yet here we are. Folks better realize that Russia would strike the United States and the UK first and also realize that your Government officials will promptly disappear into their bunkers while we're all left to deal with an exchange in hellfire.

Krokodil babble.
 

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Let’s please put this “Russian hypersonic missile” shyt to rest


The truth is, the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missile is actually little more than a conventional air-launched ballistic missile with a design that dates back to the 1980s.

It has benefited a great deal from both intentional and less-than-intentional misconceptions about this new class of weapons, often cited as a reason the United States is lagging behind Russia in a hypersonic arms race (that, as we've discussed before, isn't quite what it seems either).

That means all of the ICBMs in America's nuclear stockpile, all of Russia's Kinzhal missiles, and even Elon Musk's Falcon 9 reusable rockets all share the distinction of being hypersonic … and in fact, Russia's Kinzhal missile has more in common with those applications than it does with the newslew of "hypersonic weapons" nations like Russia, China, and the United States are competing to field.


 

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Let’s please put this “Russian hypersonic missile” shyt to rest


The truth is, the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missile is actually little more than a conventional air-launched ballistic missile with a design that dates back to the 1980s.

It has benefited a great deal from both intentional and less-than-intentional misconceptions about this new class of weapons, often cited as a reason the United States is lagging behind Russia in a hypersonic arms race (that, as we've discussed before, isn't quite what it seems either).

That means all of the ICBMs in America's nuclear stockpile, all of Russia's Kinzhal missiles, and even Elon Musk's Falcon 9 reusable rockets all share the distinction of being hypersonic … and in fact, Russia's Kinzhal missile has more in common with those applications than it does with the newslew of "hypersonic weapons" nations like Russia, China, and the United States are competing to field.


Sabine Hossenfelder had a good YouTube video on how theyre a hoax level threat. my guess is just another MIC gimmick to extract more defense dollars out of the government.
 

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Another reason nukes should level Russia. They have enough land mass to spread out after the fall out. Hopefully the fallout will warm up Antarctica and we can ship them over there and treat it as a penal colony like Australia.
Ayo you fukkin wilding in this thread :russ:

Needs to be a law that bans white dudes from saying the word “simp” :hhh:
I like how in these types of threads everyone becomes a patriot and/or war expert.


shyt is entertaining
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Patriotism is one thing but we got posters dead ass talking like they’re the Secretary Of Defense :mjlol:
 

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Another reason nukes should level Russia. They have enough land mass to spread out after the fall out. Hopefully the fallout will warm up Antarctica and we can ship them over there and treat it as a penal colony like Australia.
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Let’s please put this “Russian hypersonic missile” shyt to rest


The truth is, the Kh-47M2 Kinzhal hypersonic missile is actually little more than a conventional air-launched ballistic missile with a design that dates back to the 1980s.

It has benefited a great deal from both intentional and less-than-intentional misconceptions about this new class of weapons, often cited as a reason the United States is lagging behind Russia in a hypersonic arms race (that, as we've discussed before, isn't quite what it seems either).

That means all of the ICBMs in America's nuclear stockpile, all of Russia's Kinzhal missiles, and even Elon Musk's Falcon 9 reusable rockets all share the distinction of being hypersonic … and in fact, Russia's Kinzhal missile has more in common with those applications than it does with the newslew of "hypersonic weapons" nations like Russia, China, and the United States are competing to field.



Russia needs to shut the fukk up about any aspirations they have because historically the U.S. peeps it and then does it 1,000 times better than them. USSR launches Sputnik so the U.S. put men on the moon. Every time Russia opens it's mouth about anything military they are giving the Pentagon billions of reasons to one up their shyt talk with the real thing. If they keep talking about these magical hypersonic missiles, DOD is gonna start working on stealth missiles and be like "Ta-da!".
 
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