BREAKING: Russia will face “catastrophic consequences” if it deploys nuclear weapons in Ukraine, the US has warned Kremlin officials

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Well I don't usually get involved in these convos and though I think the Russians bit off a bit more than they could chew in Ukraine, @The M.I.C. comments have some context.

Russia's technology in anti-air defense (the S-300 and S-400), anti-ship and anti-sub hypersonic weapons, ballistic missiles, and some other advanced shyt is basically top of the line tech. It has long been knowledge that S-300 and S-400 are the premier AA weaponry and their hypersonic torpedo tech is just better. I trust the ballistic missiles fire right since they basically owned the space launch market until we got Elon and SpaceX up and running. Their cyber capabilities, which scare me the most, are something we don't want to see deployed in earnest.

Here's the problem: Russia (and also China) have developed tech to fight a war against us. Basically to beat Americans you have to deny us air superiority and naval superiority. They could send thousands and seamen and pilots home in caskets if they were in that kind of a fight...but they aren't. Fighting Ukrainians on their own soil requires a trained and motivated infrantry, good tanks, APCs, etc. and other things they haven't invested in as highly since a large land war didn't seem the most likely outcome. Javelins etc. were made to pop those things and the Ukrainians have used them well. I have a feeling Putin's mistakes probably came from overruling his generals in how to conduct this war but that is another story.

Part of the reason Ukraine gave the Russian Air Force that work and they can't freely bomb the country into submission is Ukraine has S-300s. That Stinger missile stuff can't do the job like those can.

This is basically a Russia-US-NATO proxy war though people don't like to admit that. We give the Ukrainians weapons, satellite imagery, we have AWACS planes in the Black Sea and E. Europe so they know about any Russian air support the minute it takes off, we have advisers on the ground etc. In this kind of situation, the offensive party doesn't do well. Look what happened to us in Vietnam when they had Soviet/Chinese support or when the Angolans/Cubans mopped up the South Africans in the late 1980s. Poor countries with Superpower backing defending their homeland rarely lose in the last 75 years. Their countries can be devastated in the process though. Our success in Iraq came because the Soviets were out of the picture and the Chinese were like IDGAF. On the other hand, Russia and China would likely be in the mix if we attacked Iran so we would see a similar disaster.



Gas prices are currently low not due to shale oil but because we are tapping the strategic oil reserves. We've taken out almost 200 million barrels this year or nearly 1/3; it is at its lowest level since 1984. If all was gravy we shouldn't have to do this. If we were doing this just to get cheaper oil (avg price of reserves is about $30/barrel) we should be replacing it with oil just in case but there has been ZERO input into the reserve this year.

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What kind of military sortie are you basing your analysis on? Defense of their country, an advance on Ukraine, NATO, or against the US themselves?

The only tech that I'm aware of that is more advanced than the US's is hypersonic missiles. Their rocket tech is not far more advanced and of the military tech that they have it is most likely not maintained as it needs to be.

You being a logistics guy, you know all equipment needs to be properly maintained regularly or it does not work properly, and I imagine this goes for their guidance systems in many of their anti-air and ballistic missile systems. It's not build and forget.

This is one of the plethora of reasons they are failing in Ukraine because their logistics are in disarray. And because now they are sanctioned even heavier, they can't even get the components to build, rebuild, repair and maintain the equipment they have which is why they are trying to procure equipment from North Korea of all countries.
 

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Emperor has no clothes talk.

United States has been two/three generations behind Russia in weapons tech for nearly 30 years. Only thing that has kept us at an edge was our navy and air force but that's pretty much gone at this point..the ridiculous thing is the Pentagon is fully aware of the shyt Russia has and yet here we are. Folks better realize that Russia would strike the United States and the UK first and also realize that your Government officials will promptly disappear into their bunkers while we're all left to deal with an exchange in hellfire.
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Honestly, I want the nukes to fly. Let the fallout begin. Why have all the nukes and not use em. If innocent people have to die to end Casualties then so be it. How long they gonna do this for? 5 years? 10 years? Just get it over with, level them and then call it a day.

If China wants to join in, then level them as well. India? Level them. After the first 50 nukes. I think people will get the point. If not, send 100 more nukes
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All of the aggression coincides with talks of NATO expansion, if the whole point of NATO forming post WWII was to combat Russia then it kind of makes sense that they would oppose expansion touching their borders. I'm arguing that a buffer zone of non-NATO countries between Russia and Western Europe makes sense in the pursuit of peace, especially if there is a silent agreement that we have their back anyway.
NATO formed to combat the Soviets, not Russia. It's clear they want absolute global control to continue siphoning resources unchallenged.
 

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Honestly, I want the nukes to fly. Let the fallout begin. Why have all the nukes and not use em. If innocent people have to die to end Casualties then so be it. How long they gonna do this for? 5 years? 10 years? Just get it over with, level them and then call it a day.

If China wants to join in, then level them as well. India? Level them. After the first 50 nukes. I think people will get the point. If not, send 100 more nukes
Is Trump posting on TheColi now?:patrice:

Trump said he might use nuclear weapons and questioned why we would make them if we wouldn’t use them​

TRUMP: Then why are we making them? Why do we make them?
 
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Threads like this always lets you know who are either Russian CACs Blackfishing or Trump lackeys doing their usual nut-hugging worshipping of Putin.

Imagine being a so-called American dikkriding and propping up a man that'll blow up the country you reside in which in-turn inadvertently kills you and your family in the process.

I don't see how any self proclaimed “proud American” can nut-hug this man cause these uber-patriotic types are the types usually seen propping this man up as if they'd sacrifice themselves for him.

It really makes no sense to me, pretty oxymoronic.

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All of the aggression coincides with talks of NATO expansion, if the whole point of NATO forming post WWII was to combat Russia then it kind of makes sense that they would oppose expansion touching their borders. I'm arguing that a buffer zone of non-NATO countries between Russia and Western Europe makes sense in the pursuit of peace, especially if there is a silent agreement that we have their back anyway.
these folks can only understand “usa good, russia bad” they haven’t seen a map showing NATO expansion over the past century
 

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Well I don't usually get involved in these convos and though I think the Russians bit off a bit more than they could chew in Ukraine, @The M.I.C. comments have some context.

Russia's technology in anti-air defense (the S-300 and S-400), anti-ship and anti-sub hypersonic weapons, ballistic missiles, and some other advanced shyt is basically top of the line tech. It has long been knowledge that S-300 and S-400 are the premier AA weaponry and their hypersonic torpedo tech is just better. I trust the ballistic missiles fire right since they basically owned the space launch market until we got Elon and SpaceX up and running. Their cyber capabilities, which scare me the most, are something we don't want to see deployed in earnest.

Here's the problem: Russia (and also China) have developed tech to fight a war against us. Basically to beat Americans you have to deny us air superiority and naval superiority. They could send thousands and seamen and pilots home in caskets if they were in that kind of a fight...but they aren't. Fighting Ukrainians on their own soil requires a trained and motivated infrantry, good tanks, APCs, etc. and other things they haven't invested in as highly since a large land war didn't seem the most likely outcome. Javelins etc. were made to pop those things and the Ukrainians have used them well. I have a feeling Putin's mistakes probably came from overruling his generals in how to conduct this war but that is another story.

Part of the reason Ukraine gave the Russian Air Force that work and they can't freely bomb the country into submission is Ukraine has S-300s. That Stinger missile stuff can't do the job like those can.

This is basically a Russia-US-NATO proxy war though people don't like to admit that. We give the Ukrainians weapons, satellite imagery, we have AWACS planes in the Black Sea and E. Europe so they know about any Russian air support the minute it takes off, we have advisers on the ground etc. In this kind of situation, the offensive party doesn't do well. Look what happened to us in Vietnam when they had Soviet/Chinese support or when the Angolans/Cubans mopped up the South Africans in the late 1980s. Poor countries with Superpower backing defending their homeland rarely lose in the last 75 years. Their countries can be devastated in the process though. Our success in Iraq came because the Soviets were out of the picture and the Chinese were like IDGAF. On the other hand, Russia and China would likely be in the mix if we attacked Iran so we would see a similar disaster.



Gas prices are currently low not due to shale oil but because we are tapping the strategic oil reserves. We've taken out almost 200 million barrels this year or nearly 1/3; it is at its lowest level since 1984. If all was gravy we shouldn't have to do this. If we were doing this just to get cheaper oil (avg price of reserves is about $30/barrel) we should be replacing it with oil just in case but there has been ZERO input into the reserve this year.

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There is literally no scenario where the Chinese or Russians would be able to deny the US naval and air superiority. If war broke out over Iran the US would achieve air superiority in 96 hours. Every SAM site and usable airfield would be destroyed in the first 48 hours. Russia supposedly was considered a great power solely because of their infantry and land craft numbers yet now we are supposed to believe that since they’re getting exposed in this area they are actually a peer to the US technologically. FOH. NASA is literally testing knocking asteroids out of earths path :skip:



There is no area where Russia nor China is a peer to the USA
 

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Imagine if we get bodied because two decrepit old b*stards with one foot in the ground couldn’t deescalate a dispute over fukking Ukraine.

fukking Ukraine.
 

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Nowhere was it said that the United States would fire nuclear weapons on Russia in response to tactical nuclear weapons being used in Ukraine. There has been rumors in the past that suggest a nuclear attack by Russia would result in an immediate US Air Force and carrier response. Basically the US would destroy Russian targets in Ukraine and implement a no-fly zone. Since Russian's air force is trash they'd be driven out of the country, and US carriers would likely target Russian ships in Odessa.

At that point the ball is in Putin's hand. He can withdraw his troops and end the conflict in defeat. Or he can retaliate by striking the US or NATO allies with nuclear weapons, at which point the world ends. I would assume that Putin would be assassinated if he attempted to direct a nuclear strike on the US or NATO. Mutual destruction doesn't benefit anyone.

Once a nuke is launched in 2022 and beyond, it’s over for the planet, no matter who launches first.

This is a good and logical post. I disagree with the bolded though. That wouldn’t happen. I agree with you on everything else though.
 
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