I think at the point in time … it’s more then obvious Orlando n them killed pac …. Just like I think it’s obvious suge put the hit on biggie smalls ……. Who actually pulled the trigger on biggie is still up for debate and am not gona debate anyone they are entitled to there opinions …… what I want to know is what was suges actul reasons for doing it …..it has to be more then just pac goes so big has to go …..
BREAKING:Revealed Docs claim Biggie's Murder was CoverUp [Suge Knight sent the hit,Target was Diddy]
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Bro …. Who do u think killed big ?? …. Am not gona debate who u think actully pulled the trigger but do u believe suge set it up or just put it in the air for nikkas to do it …… and if u think it was suge what do u think his reasons were … I never bought the whole .. pac gone so big has to go to ….. or do u think suge was really trying to spite puffy by taking his biggest artist away to ….
for the third time : you still refuse to address
now I see why you’re 24,000 in red
- specifics on Gene debating Kading
- Kading bytching out to debate Russell Sullivan
Free Suge 
I believe the FBI agent Phil Carson .... whom stated Suge put the hit on Puff and I assume when Puff suburban ran the red light the killer set fukk it let’s take out his No.1 artist to still get paid
It’s a fair theory to be honest bro …. You maybe right maybe truly puffy was the intended target since suge wen u think about it had no personal beef with biggie …. But then knowing suges jealous and spiteful ways in history he might have been like fukk it make puffy suffer by taking his number 1 artist in the first place ….all I know is suge that night who ever helped him he could have probably had both puffy and biggie killed either that night or the whole trip while badboy was in l.a but choose 1 I bet it burns suge soul to be honest that he didn’t kill puffy wen he had the chance since puffy has became way bigger then suge was in 96 … got to burn his soul …..
I hate seeing this to be honest …. Free suge free suge ….. suge has had soo many chances in life and fukked them up every chance suge gets to reform he still manages to fukk up u could argue the Terry Carter situation wasn’t directly suges fault but what about everything else ….. suge just couldn’t sit his ass down n chill …. It’s almost sad to see suge what he has became 1 one side I feel pitty on the nikka or the other side it’s his whole fault …..Free Suge
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Russell Poole had an alcohol abuse problem. There are other reasons he was supposedly disciplined that I have never been able to find more detail about, but the one that is most discussed is that he violated LAPD policy by using his work vehicle to go to an after work off the clock function where alcohol was being served, and then compounded that problem by letting someone else drive his vehicle because he was too drunk to drive (They even mentioned this in the Unsolved series). Another officer snitched on him, it was reported to his supervisor, it led to a complaint, and as a result he was transferred off the robbery and homicide division, which was working the Biggie case.
But yeah, him getting ready to break the Biggie case wide open, armed with the powerful testimony of Psycho Mike and a bunch of circumstantial occurrences that led nowhere is 100% totally the REAL reason he was removed from the Biggie case.
That makes alot more sense than repeated insubordination and him getting sh*t faced and violating company policy with city property.
He was silenced! Silenced I tell you!
Also, and this is not to sh*t on the man when he's dead, but there's an argument to be made that he had some legit mental health issues going on. Not to say that everybody with an alcohol problem is mentally ill, but why the fukk would somebody quit the LAPD just months before they would have qualified for a lifetime pension? Who works a job 19 and a half years to just up and quit before they get their 20 years and obtain financial security for the rest of the life? The man obviously had some demons, lived a stressful life, was frustrated with how his superiors and coworkers weren't buying into his Biggie and LAPD corruption theories, and self-medicated as a result of all of that. He even acknowledges this as much himself when he sued the LAPD and blamed them for causing "mental anguish", distress, and insomnia.
And no, that's not the same as you slandering Kading with every breath. That's from Poole HIMSELF when he sued the LAPD back in 2000.
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First off, Reggie "going on record" saying she's not 100% sure if Poochie killed him is redundant if she acknowledged in her testimony that she wasn't there the moment Biggie was shot in the first place. This isn't some unknown piece of information. What other reason would you have for bringing this up if it weren't to attempt to discredit the theory? This grand revelation from Reggie you trotted out is in her damn statement.
If you didn't bring it up to discredit the theory, what purpose does it serve? For the umpteenth time, how can what Teresa Swann says be a reason for your doubting the Poochie theory if her testimony is the primary form of corroboration for it? THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Not unless you cherry pick specific parts of what she claims occurred. She says she wasn't there the moment Big was shot. But she also says that Suge had her arrange for her to pay Poochie to shoot Biggie himself. This is the part you keep conveniently leaving out when you attempt to use her as a source of info to discredit the source of the damn info in the first place, lol. If you don't believe Poochie killed Biggie, COOL. But you cannot, and let me type it in caps for people in the nosebleed sections, CANNOT USE HER OWN TESTIMONY AS A SOURCE OF WHY YOU HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT SAID THEORY IF SHE IS THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF CORROBORATION FOR THE THEORY IN THE FIRST PLACE. That makes absolutely no goddamn sense what so fukking ever. That's literally using the confession of person confessing to a crime as the reason the confession is untrue.
There are reasons you can cite for why you choose not to believe Poochie killed Biggie. Teresa Swann, however, ain't one of them brother.
And a "witness, weapon, alibi"?
For one, an alibi is a defense my man. Why would someone accusing Poochie of murder provide a defense for why he didn't commit what they're accusing him of?
Second, why are you demanding a burden of proof that you refuse to hold your own theory to? No weapon or witness exists for the Amir Muhammad theory either, yet that doesn't stop you from believing it. Having said that, there IS corroborating evidence for the Poochie theory. It is not as strong as a sworn statement offering immunity from participation in the crime (Teresa Swann), but it is additional evidence that helps support it. They didn't just pull Poochie and Teresa Swan's name out of thin air (well, technically they did for her because that's an alias,
, but I digress....). They had intercepted jailhouse letters from the co-defendant of one of Suge's/Death Row's muscle that claimed Poochie was the killer. They had evidence that Poochie had committed murder and crimes for Suge before Biggie was even killed, and they have Reggie Wright and a Death Row manager corroborating a request from Suge to obtain cash in the amount of money that Teresa claims was paid to kill Biggie.Now, you can choose to take issue with those if you choose, which again, is fine. But to say that nothing else exists to support a theory suggesting Poochie was the killer outside of Teresa Swann saying so is simply untrue. It exists, you just choose not to find it credible.
Why is it a lie? Eugene Deal was questioned on three separate occasions by detectives working Biggie's murder before Kading and his team were even assigned the case. A recording or transcript of the interview that Kelly Cooper was apart of has never even been released, so I don't know how you know what Cooper said during this exchange. I suspect you're getting this from Eugene Deal, who changes stories like I change socks
. The only thing that is definitively known from that interview to the general public is that he identified someone who was NOT Amir Muhammad. Kading says that when he called Gene after he retired and questioned Gene in the presence of an LA Weekly reporter, Gene said that he misspoke and meant to say to police that the guy "looks like" the guy who came up to him. Which would mean that he definitively identified to police a person who was not Amir Muhammad and looked nothing like him if he claimed to Kading that he "misspoke" during the initial detective interview. The only way to put this disagreement on what he said to bed once and for all is to hear the actual interview. 
Even when, or if that eventually happens, it's still somewhat of a moot point. Eugene said out his own mouth to police that he couldn't see the shooter from where he was (a snippet of him saying this is played in Murder Rap. Which was obvious if he was in the car ahead of Biggie's while Big's car is at the light getting shot up.)
Playing fast and loose with the facts again I see. "A year later when "THEY" followed up?? No big homie, "they" here isn't the police. Nice try though. When Eugene Deal identifies Amir Muhammad as the shooter, he does it in a documentary to the director of the documentary. Big difference between telling the cops one thing years earlier and telling Joe Schmoe the movie director something different years later. I salute your commitment to keeping the waters nice and muddy with misinformation though.
and lastly you keep making yourself look like a complete fool by saying .... he only picked/ID Amir later ; with this nonsense about people‘s memory getting worse over the years .... are you fukking kidding me .... all you have to do is listen to the 911 call seconds after biggie was shot, were you here a lil cease say “ yo I think a Muslim dude just shot Biggie “ and Gene jumps in immediately, saying “ a brown skin bowtie blue suit peanut head receding hairline etc. etc. just walked up to puff suburban a minute ago ” basically identifies him to the “T” seconds right after the shooting
YET, you’re on some bullshyt about memory lost
Breh, it all makes sense now. You have absolutely no idea what the fukk you're talking about!
Gene doesn't say ANY of that on the 911 call!!! The only thing on the 911 call regarding the shooter's description is "yo, dude look like he was Muslim, kid. He was dressed like that". Nothing else specific about what he was wearing or what he looked like.
And you're combining two separate quotes given on two separate occasions of Gene Deal anyway. The description he gave of what the guy who came up to his car was wearing was during a police interview weeks after Biggie was killed. And the description where he gives this apparent facial description of him was in the Biggie and Tupac documentary YEARS after Biggie was killed.. The police notes from that same interview said that Gene heard, "from Paul, who was told from Lil Cease, that the shooter was a Muslim." So according to the police, Gene doesn't even hear this info from Cease direct, and doesn't even relay this third-hand information connecting who approached him as supposedly being the shooter to police until weeks after Biggie is killed. And doesn't give a facial description of him until years after in a documentary, yet in your mind that equates to Gene relaying this information "seconds after the shooting"???
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First off, Reggie "going on record" saying she's not 100% sure if Poochie killed him is redundant if she acknowledged in her testimony that she wasn't there the moment Biggie was shot in the first place. This isn't some unknown piece of information. What other reason would you have for bringing this up if it weren't to attempt to discredit the theory? This grand revelation from Reggie you trotted out is in her damn statement.
For the umpteenth time, how can what Teresa Swann says be a reason for your doubting the Poochie theory if her testimony is the primary form of corroboration for it? THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Not unless you cherry pick specific parts of what she claims occurred. She says she wasn't there the moment Big was shot. But she also says that Suge had her arrange for her to pay Poochie to shoot Biggie himself. This is the part you keep conveniently leaving out when you attempt to use her as a source of info to discredit the source of the damn info in the first place, lol. If you don't believe Poochie killed Biggie, COOL. But you cannot, and let me type it in caps for people in the nosebleed sections, CANNOT USE HER OWN TESTIMONY AS A SOURCE OF WHY YOU HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT SAID THEORY IF SHE IS THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF CORROBORATION FOR THE THEORY IN THE FIRST PLACE. That makes absolutely no goddamn sense what so fukking ever. That's literally using the confession of person confessing to a crime as the reason the confession is untrue.
There are reasons you can cite for why you choose not to believe Poochie killed Biggie. Teresa Swann, however, ain't one of them brother.
And a "witness, weapon, alibi"?
For one, an alibi is a defense my man. Why would someone accusing Poochie of murder provide a defense for why he didn't commit what they're accusing him of?
Second, why are you demanding a burden of proof that you refuse to hold your own theory to? No weapon or witness exists for the Amir Muhammad theory either, yet that doesn't stop you from believing it. Having said that, there IS corroborating evidence for the Poochie theory. It is not as strong as a sworn statement offering immunity from participation in the crime (Teresa Swann), but it is additional evidence that helps support it. They didn't just pull Poochie and Teresa Swan's name out of thin air (well, technically they did for her because that's an alias,
Now, you can choose to take issue with those if you choose, which again, is fine. But to say that nothing else exists to support a theory suggesting Poochie was the killer outside of Teresa Swann saying so is simply untrue. It exists, you just choose not to find it credible.
Why is it a lie? Eugene Deal was questioned on three separate occasions by detectives working Biggie's murder before Kading and his team were even assigned the case. A recording or transcript of the interview that Kelly Cooper was apart of has never even been released, so I don't know how you know what Cooper said during this exchange. I suspect you're getting this from Eugene Deal, who changes stories like I change socks
Even when, or if that eventually happens, it's still somewhat of a moot point. Eugene said out his own mouth to police that he couldn't see the shooter from where he was (a snippet of him saying this is played in Murder Rap. Which was obvious if he was in the car ahead of Biggie's while Big's car is at the light getting shot up.)
Playing fast and loose with the facts again I see. "A year later when "THEY" followed up?? No big homie, "they" here isn't the police. Nice try though. When Eugene Deal identifies Amir Muhammad as the shooter, he does it in a documentary to the director of the documentary. Big difference between telling the cops one thing years earlier and telling Joe Schmoe the movie director something different years later. I salute your commitment to keeping the waters nice and muddy with misinformation though.
Breh, it all makes sense now. You have absolutely no idea what the fukk you're talking about!
Gene doesn't say ANY of that on the 911 call!!! The only thing on the 911 call regarding the shooter's description is "yo, dude look like he was Muslim, kid. He was dressed like that". Nothing else specific about what he was wearing or what he looked like.
And you're combining two separate quotes given on two separate occasions of Gene Deal anyway. The description he gave of what the guy who came up to his car was wearing was during a police interview weeks after Biggie was killed. And the description where he gives this apparent facial description of him was in the Biggie and Tupac documentary YEARS after Biggie was killed.. The police notes from that same interview said that Gene heard, "from Paul, who was told from Lil Cease, that the shooter was a Muslim." So according to the police, Gene doesn't even hear this info from Cease direct, and doesn't even relay this third-hand information connecting who approached him as supposedly being the shooter to police until weeks after Biggie is killed. And doesn't give a facial description of him until years after in a documentary, yet in your mind that equates to Gene relaying this information "seconds after the shooting"???
Lol wow, this must be Reggie himself or some sort of LA city official.
Lol you mfs really get on the internet being loud and wrong. Typing up dissertations that nobody fukking asked for, instead of doing the research. Whew. Couldn't be me.
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You're right. It couldn't be you cuz you have no idea what the fukk you're talking about.
Asks for rebuttals to nonsense, receive rebuttals, then clown the person for giving you what you asked for brehs.
If you have nothing of importance to add to the discussion, why the fukk are you even responding?
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You're right. It couldn't be you cuz you have no idea what the fukk you're talking about.
Asks for rebuttals to nonsense, receive rebuttals, then clown the person for giving you what you asked for brehs.
If you have nothing of importance to add to the discussion, why the fukk are you even responding?
What evidence have you provided? Other than regurgitating some bullshyt by dirty cops?
This is yalls problem, you want other people to educate you and spoon feed you information, because doing the work is too tedious for you.
The thing is, this is a sprawling case that isn't gonna be neatly wrapped up for you the way Murder Rap is. I'm not gonna sit here and type up all the knowledge I've acquired over the years to combat what you're saying, just for you to tell me I'm wrong. fukk that. Especially when you're in here repeating obvious lies and bullshyt that's been fed to you. You're already not on any level to debate me fam.
Consume these resources and then maybe I'll consider it:
Documentaries - Tupac Assassination pt 3, you can find that on YouTube so there's really no excuse to not check that out. Nick Broomfield (critically acclaimed filmmaker) has a doc called Tupac and Biggie that's also very informative. Oh, and he also has a follow up film called Last Man Standing coming in July. Check em out. City of Lies is coming to streaming services soon, that's also pretty good.
Podcasts: The Dossier w/ Phil Carson and Don Sikorski (?). Details mainly the Biggie case but the Pac case is also talked about. Because, ya know, the two are connected for much bigger reasons than you can grasp. Phil investigated the case and tells what his experience was like. Appearances by journalists, Gene Deal, and the guy you all trust so much, Reggie. Spoiler alert tho, Carson cosigns Russell Poole's theory.
Books: LAmbrynth by Randall Sullivan.
There's independent YouTube channels that provide good information. Michael Douglas Carlin, JMixx, RJ Bond are all extremely informational. Bond also worked with Nick Broomfield on the new documentary....
So yea....have fun buddy. Until you educate yourself I'm not frustrating myself with your bullshyt lol
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You obviously didn't read anything I wrote.
Blah, blah, blah dirty cops. Ok buddy. Stay woke and keep your tin foil hat ready. The man is watching you at all times.
For the record, I saw "Biggie and Tupac" years ago. I even quoted from it and referred to it in my last post genius. And I saw City of Lies in the theaters over 2 months ago. Shyt was damn near fiction, a good portion of the characters didn't even exist in real life. Russell Poole gets into a gun fight with Raphael Perez for Christ sakes
. Fukk is your point?I have copies of LAbrynth, Murder Rap, and Once Upon A Time In Compton. I already know for a fact I'm more read up on you on this subject than you and the rest of these conspiracy lunatics. I've probably even watched more of those horse shyt channels than you have (Jmix and Carlin? Seriously breh?
)But yes, continue to "educate" the masses on this global conspiracy that saw the Illuminati and The Trilateral Commission conspire with the Shriners and Greys to assassinate two rappers. And continue to believe all cops are dirty except the cops who you agree with. And continue to believe the FBI , Compton PD, and about a half dozen other police agencies and administrators all conspired to protect the fukking LAPD and some cops who they ended up tossing in jail anyway.
$100 says you believe that either the Earth is Flat, vaccines cause autism, the DNC runs a pedophile ring, the moon landing was fake, or that Drake writes his own rhymes.