But another cac police officer or detective said the same person who puffy , gene deal n them said aka the Muslim …. So what’s your point …. calling a spade a spade here ….nobody saw the person who killed biggie everyone ducked down …. We just have bits and pieces…. What I think is pretty obvious tho is the hit came from suge …. As far as his reasons am sure he had a few not just cause pac was dead ….
BREAKING:Revealed Docs claim Biggie's Murder was CoverUp [Suge Knight sent the hit,Target was Diddy]
- Thread starter ReasonableMatic
- Start date
Playbook still in action. It's 2021 and you dudes still out running the Wildcat formation and The Run and Shoot
Kingofnyc : "Teresa Swann herself said she never saw Poochie there. WTF is wrong with yall??"
Everyone else: "Breh, she signed a sworn statement and accepted a proffer agreement affirming that Suge hired Poochie to murder Biggie and she helped facilitate the crime. She says in this very statement that she left before Biggie was killed. Why are you ignoring 95% of her statement to pick out 5% of what she said, when that 5% doesn't even disqualify what she swears happened?"
Kingofnyc :"Because Reggie Wright grew up with her?
"
Everyone else: "Yeah, that's great. Dafuq that got to do with what we just asked? You can't use part of a statement to disregard the entirety of it without taking the part you chose to isolate within the context of how it was given. That's called picking and choosing, and shows an inconsistency in the position you've chosen to debate. These are grade school level rhetorical devices we're talking about here breh, you've got to know by now that doing shyt like that weakens your argument, not strengthens it.
Kingofnyc :
Everyone else :
some of you dudes on here must live in a bubble or your own delusional world because you’re saying absolutely positively nothing
the facts are the facts
yes Teresa Swan is the centerpiece around your man’s investigation with a sworn statement saying what we already know but the fact that she attended the party that night and did not see poochie and then left early ; only to add is pretty much on record saying she’s not 100% sure if poochie did what he was paid for = is not picking & choosing
Again, if a hit is put out on “said person” ... it can be multiple individuals hire to preform that act ..... it doesn’t matter who did it or not which at the end of the day it only matters that that hit was made
with that said : I have to ask you what is your narrative to believe in a theory were not one single person can put that individual at the murder scene ?
so until you and a few others that believe in this bullshyt theory can prove poochie was actually there that night - y’all are just talking a bunch of gibberish
King Karim
All Star
Gene says one thing, Kading says the other --- DEBATE ABOUT THAT ---
stop acting stupid fam
New Jeruzalem Journalist
Superstar
it’s not slander on my part ... Greg Kading being called "crooked" has nothing to do with me that was the label giving to him when he release the murder rap documentary - where several people exposed his sketchy policing over his career from being investigated by internal affairs to robbery to miss managing/handling legal documents etc. etc.
As I've said, I'm convinced you already know the jist of what I'm about to explain, so at this point my replies are mostly for lurkers and people genuinely curious about the case that are interested in the truth, not bullshyt for entertainment or deflections and misdirections.
1. Regarding this horseshyt internal affairs issue. Kading was part of an investigative team on a federal racketeering case before the Biggie case. In that case, he literally misquoted a person he had interviewed as using the word "procedure" when writing a search warrant, when the source actually used the word "policy" during the interview. The wording was important because it could potentially alter the intent of the actions of the defendants. A judge determined that because Kading had audio tapes of the interview, a clerical error like that on a search warrant was inexcusable and the quotes should have been verbatim, so the judge tossed the warrant.
HOWEVER, it wasn't an intentional misquoting; as he explained, it would defeat the purpose of him doing all the work of gathering evidence to get a search warrant in the first place if he was gonna then turn around and purposely misquote a source that he had audio recordings of to begin with. His "corruption" was him getting sloppy with his transcription, and the judge tossed the search warrant. He was removed from the Biggie Task Force because as it came closer to a potential trial date and Suge became a target in the investigation, LAPD was counciled from legal advisors that this past incident might potentially become an issue during witness cross examination if Kading were called to testify. If he were so damn "corrupt", they wouldn't have allowed him to continue working cases as a member of the LAPD after being removed from the Biggie case, let alone allowing him to pick which cases he wanted to work instead of being assigned them.
2. Kading pointing guns at kids nonsense. He had his gun out while sweeping a home in the process of looking for an offender during a probation check. The offender's girlfriend filed a civil complaint that said he pointed a gun at her sleeping child. IT WAS PROVEN IN COURT DURING THE TRIAL THAT SHE LIED IN THE COMPLAINT ABOUT THE INCIDENT. In addition, Kading himself testified that he had his gun out during the sweep and saw the kid in question. The case gets tossed after she's proven to have fabricated her testimony. Also, just as an added bit of info for what it's worth, the lawyer who sued the police over this incident on her behalf was actually the one who was corrupt here, as he ended up going to prison soon after all of this. But none of this matters of course. Some chick sued him, said he goes around putting guns in kids faces, so case closed, fukk Greg Kading forever, right?
But feel free to continue to ignore all of these documented facts and distort reality at your leisure. Over 25 years in law enforcement, and THAT'S your definition of a corrupt cop? Someone being removed from a task force as a legal calculation, not a disciplinary one? And because he got lazy and sloppy writing up one search warrant over hundreds he'd written in his career? (How many times btw have you edited any posts made in this thread? You must be corrupt too.
)But Russell Poole, who was also removed from a task force, who actually had disciplinary actions taken against him because of misconduct, nooooooo. That doesn't meet the criteria for "corruption". Because as I said a million times already, Kading is "corrupt" because you don't like what he says. Poole isn't "corrupt" because you DO like what he says. This is all a game to conspiracy theorists or people biased because of the subjects involved. Facts be damned, you go where your emotions take you in these murders.
(For the record, I don't think Poole is corrupt cuz I don't need to personally attack someone because they have a different viewpoint than I do. I attack Poole's work and his conclusions, NOT the man himself.)
Last edited:
New Jeruzalem Journalist
Superstar
But that's not what you did or continue to do. You brought up Swan and Reggie in an attempt to discredit the Poochie theory. But you can only use her acknowledgement that she didn't see the shooter to discredit that theory IF you disregard everything else she says about it. You know, the whole part about POOCHIE BEING INVOLVED??
You can't be this dense, which is why I say you're playing games. If you disbelieve the Poochie theory, that's perfectly fine. But you can't then turn around and use Teresa Swann's statements as one of your reasons for disbelieving it. That makes no goddamn sense whatsoever when her testimony is the primary form of corroboration for the theory. THAT WAS MY POINT AND THAT IS 100% PICKING AND CHOOSING AS A MEANS OF CONVENIENCE. How is it not?
Second, why in your mind does someone have to see Poochie there, when the only person who claims to have seen Amir Muhammad there is Eugene Deal? The same Eugene Deal who identifies a completely different person when initially questioned by police right after the shooting, and doesn't ID Amir Muhammad until YEARS after Biggie is killed. Memory gets worse over time, not better. And we already established the assinine way Amir Muhammad even gets brought into this whole fiasco in the first place, so why is he even still brought up?
I believe the Poochie theory because it makes the most sense. But it's not an airtight theory, nor have I ever said or suggested its infallible. Kading himself even acknowledges that while it's the most likely theory, it isn't without some doubt, unlike Pac's killer.
Last edited:
And Suge would have to deal with all them Eastside Compton crips.
Even Keefe D himself said nobody was going to touch Eazy:
Last edited:
That’s what am saying …. After this interview… mob James came back and was shaking his head and what keffe Dee said …bottom line eazy was just yapping….. I doubt eazy wanted to be target from most the eastside Compton pirus even if he had eastside Compton crips backing him ….. mob James and all ov suges real goon squad did not take eazy e serious at all u can tell wen mob James gets interviewed and asked about eazy on the gang tip he almost laughs …he was the most gangster in nwa I won’t dispute that …what I also find funny is and hypocritical is …. Everyone try’s to say no no eazy e didn’t get punked in that situation yet he got his artists took off him and filed a Rico against suge and deathrow …. Yeah he got money from them in the end but still …. Why it’s hypocritical cause if someone did that to suge everyone would clown him saying he got punked and did nothing but file a lawsuit am I correct or not ?? …
now you must be trolling
you still haven’t gave any specific on what they supposed to debate about
do you really think there is a debate when one person whom on record that the potentially killer walked up him, looked him dead in the eyes and made him back off & what exactly is the other guy supposed to debate him about that : that’s stupid
and I find it quite interesting that you didn’t even address your nonsense about Kading is willing to debate anybody .... when I gave you a name Russell Sullivan whom was ready to debate him on the Fox show with Ice Tea & Solidad O’Brien and your man bytched out at the last minute - what do you have to say about that
As I've said, I'm convinced you already know the jist of what I'm about to explain, so at this point my replies are mostly for lurkers and people genuinely curious about the case that are interested in the truth, not bullshyt for entertainment or deflections and misdirections.
1. Regarding this horseshyt internal affairs issue. Kading was part of an investigative team on a federal racketeering case before the Biggie case. In that case, he literally misquoted a person he had interviewed as using the word "procedure" when writing a search warrant, when the source actually used the word "policy" during the interview. The wording was important because it could potentially alter the intent of the actions of the defendants. A judge determined that because Kading had audio tapes of the interview, a clerical error like that on a search warrant was inexcusable and the quotes should have been verbatim, so the judge tossed the warrant.
HOWEVER, it wasn't an intentional misquoting; as he explained, it would defeat the purpose of him doing all the work of gathering evidence to get a search warrant in the first place if he was gonna then turn around and purposely misquote a source that he had audio recordings of to begin with. His "corruption" was him getting sloppy with his transcription, and the judge tossed the search warrant. He was removed from the Biggie Task Force because as it came closer to a potential trial date and Suge became a target in the investigation, LAPD was counciled from legal advisors that this past incident might potentially become an issue during witness cross examination if Kading were called to testify. If he were so damn "corrupt", they wouldn't have allowed him to continue working cases as a member of the LAPD after being removed from the Biggie case, let alone allowing him to pick which cases he wanted to work instead of being assigned them.
2. Kading pointing guns at kids nonsense. He had his gun out while sweeping a home in the process of looking for an offender during a probation check. The offender's girlfriend filed a civil complaint that said he pointed a gun at her sleeping child. IT WAS PROVEN IN COURT DURING THE TRIAL THAT SHE LIED IN THE COMPLAINT ABOUT THE INCIDENT. In addition, Kading himself testified that he had his gun out during the sweep and saw the kid in question. The case gets tossed after she's proven to have fabricated her testimony. Also, just as an added bit of info for what it's worth, the lawyer who sued the police over this incident on her behalf was actually the one who was corrupt here, as he ended up going to prison soon after all of this. But none of this matters of course. Some chick sued him, said he goes around putting guns in kids faces, so case closed, fukk Greg Kading forever, right?
But feel free to continue to ignore all of these documented facts and distort reality at your leisure. Over 25 years in law enforcement, and THAT'S your definition of a corrupt cop? Someone being removed from a task force as a legal calculation, not a disciplinary one? And because he got lazy and sloppy writing up one search warrant over hundreds he'd written in his career? (How many times btw have you edited any posts made in this thread? You must be corrupt too.
But Russell Poole, who was also removed from a task force, who actually had disciplinary actions taken against him because of misconduct, nooooooo. That doesn't meet the criteria for "corruption". Because as I said a million times already, Kading is "corrupt" because you don't like what he says. Poole isn't "corrupt" because you DO like what he says. This is all a game to conspiracy theorists or people biased because of the subjects involved. Facts be damned, you go where your emotions take you in these murders.
(For the record, I don't think Poole is corrupt cuz I don't need to personally attack someone because they have a different viewpoint than I do. I attack Poole's work and his conclusions, NOT the man himself.)
again, I did not come up with the term crooked cop Greg Kading that was given to him by his peers and people who was covering this investigation when he came out with his documentary several years ago
and as far as detective Poole ... what exactly misconduct did he have ?
because all events they said his police record was pretty impeccable and the only reason he was taking off Biggie case was because he was getting too close to solving the murder
Last edited:
But that's not what you did or continue to do. You brought up Swan and Reggie in an attempt to discredit the Poochie theory. But you can only use her acknowledgement that she didn't see the shooter to discredit that theory IF you disregard everything else she says about it. You know, the whole part about POOCHIE BEING INVOLVED??
You can't be this dense, which is why I say you're playing games. If you disbelieve the Poochie theory, that's perfectly fine. But you can't then turn around and use Teresa Swann's statements as one of your reasons for disbelieving it. That makes no goddamn sense whatsoever when her testimony is the primary form of corroboration for the theory. THAT WAS MY POINT AND THAT IS 100% PICKING AND CHOOSING AS A MEANS OF CONVENIENCE. How is it not?
Second, why in your mind does someone have to see Poochie there, when the only person who claims to have seen Amir Muhammad there is Eugene Deal? The same Eugene Deal who identifies a completely different person when initially questioned by police right after the shooting, and doesn't ID Amir Muhammad until YEARS after Biggie is killed. Memory gets worse over time, not better. And we already established the assinine way Amir Muhammad even gets brought into this whole fiasco in the first place, so why is he even still brought up?
I believe the Poochie theory because it makes the most sense. But it's not an airtight theory, nor have I ever said or suggested its infallible. Kading himself even acknowledges that while it's the most likely theory, it isn't without some doubt, unlike Pac's killer.
1. Teresa Swan
the only person who’s playing games is you
I did not bring up Teresa and Reggie to discredit the poochie theory ... I simply brought up two things - (one) Reggie going on record saying Teresa is not 100% sure if poochie killed biggie and (two) Teresa saying she was at the party and never saw poochie there
now as far as this sworn statement that you are totally invested into .... it’s pretty much meaningless unless one can produce facts to support that sworn statement and I mean a witness a weapon alibi etc. etc. which none of those things occurred in her sworn statement
why is this so hard for you to understand and again they really really is no need to go back-and-forth with this until you or anybody else can prove poochie was at the murder scene
2.Gene Deal
your being totally disingenuous and it comes off as incredibly pathetic
Gene didn’t identify someone different in the initial photo lineup - that’s a fukking lie ... when Kelly Cooper gave that photo line to him, Gene told them the person is not in the photo lineup, then Copper told Gene to pick out the person who most resembles (and Gene did)
a year later when they followed up on the case and presented a different photo lineup he picked out the right person without any hesitation I already posted this in this thread: so why are you continuously bringing this nonsense up, this really makes you look bad and really makes you look like you have a narrative to spin
and lastly you keep making yourself look like a complete fool by saying .... he only picked/ID Amir later ; with this nonsense about people‘s memory getting worse over the years .... are you fukking kidding me .... all you have to do is listen to the 911 call seconds after biggie was shot, were you here a lil cease say “ yo I think a Muslim dude just shot Biggie “ and Gene jumps in immediately, saying “ a brown skin bowtie blue suit peanut head receding hairline etc. etc. just walked up to puff suburban a minute ago ” basically identifies him to the “T” seconds right after the shooting
YET, you’re on some bullshyt about memory lost
Roovers410
All Star
1. Teresa Swan
the only person who’s playing games is you
I did not bring up Teresa and Reggie to discredit the poochie theory ... I simply brought up two things - (one) Reggie going on record saying Teresa is not 100% sure if poochie killed biggie and (two) Teresa saying she was at the party and never saw poochie there
now as far as this sworn statement that you are totally invested into .... it’s pretty much meaningless unless one can produce facts to support that sworn statement and I mean a witness a weapon alibi etc. etc. which none of those things occurred in her sworn statement
why is this so hard for you to understand and again they really really is no need to go back-and-forth with this until you or anybody else can prove poochie was at the murder scene
2.Gene Deal
your being totally disingenuous and it comes off as incredibly pathetic
Gene didn’t identify someone different in the initial photo lineup - that’s a fukking lie ... when Kelly Cooper gave that photo line to him, Gene told them the person is not in the photo lineup, then Copper told Gene to pick out the person who most resembles (and Gene did)
a year later when they followed up on the case and presented a different photo lineup he picked out the right person without any hesitation I already posted this in this thread: so why are you continuously bringing this nonsense up, this really makes you look bad and really makes you look like you have a narrative to spin
and lastly you keep making yourself look like a complete fool by saying .... he only picked/ID Amir later ; with this nonsense about people‘s memory getting worse over the years .... are you fukking kidding me .... all you have to do is listen to the 911 call seconds after biggie was shot, were you here a lil cease say “ yo I think a Muslim dude just shot Biggie “ and Gene jumps in immediately, saying “ a brown skin bowtie blue suit peanut head receding hairline etc. etc. just walked up to puff suburban a minute ago ” basically identifies him to the “T” seconds right after the shooting
YET, you’re on some bullshyt about memory lost
They have Keefe D telling on tape, Puff wanted to pay 1 million for the murder, and so called informants telling them the payment was done, but didn't get to Keefe because ZIP bought his nightclub with the money. And they couldn't make anything more but rumours about it 24 years after the payment? this whole Puffy paid to get Tupac killed thing is the reason why I don't trust Kading. Did puffy talk about it with the ssc? Maybe, but you cannot get the payment certified with all those informants? This means its nothing more but a theory.
2nd thing. What I would really investigate. (they say they did, but I read nothing about it). Who made the call to close the party, who lage the order and who said we are going to shut it down. Its a classic maneuver. Also the shot a few blocks further....they say it was nothing, I think its 2 convenient.The FBI was there..Facts!
3rd: The outlaws and JM squashed things. No way the Outlaws would squash it knowing Puff paid for killing Pac.
4th: Sorry Kingofnyc here I disagree. I have doubts about Gene and him telling Puff and the whole badboy staff Big was going to die. Also this someone came up to me first fits in the story. he failed that day. He didn't do his Job. Something else (I guess business) happened between him and puff that made him sour.
After all those years. I think Orlando killing Pac is pretty clear. And I think the LAPD was involved in killing Big, and Kading is an useful idiot for the theory that says different.
Roovers410
All Star
Oh and to all the people telling me PAC was a much bigger artist and Big wasn't important enough for the Government. I agree. I think Biggie shyts all over Pac but Pac is more popular. I cannot ignore this. However in 97, don't forget how big Bad Boy became. Bad Boy in 97 is the biggest thing hiphop ever had. Thats why im not surprised about Puff leaving gangster rap completely till 99
He filed the lawsuit off the advice of Jerry Heller.
I'm not saying Eazy-E was the biggest gangster in Compton. I'm not saying he didn't know there would have been a back and forth gang war with the mob piru. But if he wanted Suge killed he could have had it done.
King Karim
All Star
you obviously are the TROLL and haven't followed this story intently ....GENE and Kading disagree on a lot of details about this story
for the third time : you still refuse to address
- specifics on Gene debating Kading
- Kading bytching out to debate Russell Sullivan