BREAKING: FBI has arrested several NCAA asst. Basketball coaches in corruption scheme

[dora_da_destroyer]

I can’t speak for everyone, but up here in the Northeast, these Wall Street, Big law, big pharma types really do have emotional attachment to these schools.

I just don’t see them saying i want to watch the D-League breh.

this doesn't seem to make sense, most the people in those industries went to top private schools/ivies or top public schools, they're attached to their alma mater, of which most aren't sports powers. they're not the born in bum fukk arkansas barely graduated high school fan of arkansas type. those harvard, penn, stanford, UVA types would still rep their school whether their sports program goes to d-iii levels of awful or they're top 25, there's a lot more to those types of schools than sports

I thought you were talking about the NBA, but for the NFL it wouldn’t work either. Fans would generally shyt on the product and realize why they didn’t make it to the NFL. Remember the UFL? Same concept, except nobody cared (and they had a TV deal). If the idea is to put all these recruits on a bunch of teams and remove collegiate affiliation then I have no reason to care about the outcome of games. Why? I don’t have a reason to care for one team over the other. It’s gonna look like and feel like an exhibition.

And DO NOT make the assumption of “well they love college football so they have to like the NFL right?” Not the case.

I didn’t go to the U of Miami (I almost did and I might go there one day for my Masters) but that’s my favorite college football team. You don’t have to be an alum to have an attachment.

are you not reading my posts? i know they're long, but you're addressing stuff i explicitly explained...this is about funneling the high school stars and d-1 talent into this league, you get drafted from this league, if you don't, then you go play for college. yes, minor leagues that field undrafted talent will be shyt. that's not what i'm proposing at all.

and i'm not even addressing the second point again cuz i already did...unless you're a student/alum of a school, you have no reason to care about the team except for region/talent. a minor league team reps the region and would have the talent...overtime those fans could be converted to fans of the minor league. that old system of loyalty can be overcome

 

[Cheech&Chong]

There has got to be some BIG money at play here for the fbi to even be looking into this...

Edit: reading the statement it seems like this goes beyond just college sports and assistant coaches...they must have some higher ups on the hook for some shyt as well...

The stories that are going to come out of this when people start singing though

thats the thing that every school needs to be worried about. All it takes is 1 rat and this day n age, every thing is on a hard drive somewhere. This is gonna be legendary fukkery once defenders try making deals for information



this is gonna be the goat 30 for 30

 

[RammerJammer]

@Poitier Beilein's gonna clean up on recruits after this.

Ol' boy was playin' the long game.

2013 National Championship trophy headed to Ann Arbor

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I think you are vastly under playing the the emotional connection people have with collegiate sports. From an entertainment perspective I don't think a minor league for either of those gets ratings/streams.

i think yall are overstating it for those people who are fans with no connection to the school other than liking the sports team. of course an alum is gonna love their school and may be fine with lesser talent, but over time, bums who never went to the school and just want to be attached to sports from their region can be swayed if the talent is better.

 

[The ADD]

i think yall are overstating it for those people who are fans with no connection to the school other than liking the sports team. of course an alum is gonna love their school and may be fine with lesser talent, but over time, bums who never went to the school and just want to be attached to sports from their region can be swayed if the talent is better.

Ehhhh

Might perspective at least from being in the South is different. A "street" fan of Alabama, UGA, Clemson, etc. loves that team really no different than an alum. I just don't see that history being replaced by minor league team.

 

[tremonthustler1]

are you not reading my posts? i know they're long, but you're addressing stuff i explicitly explained...this is about funneling the high school stars and d-1 talent into this league, you get drafted from this league, if you don't, then you go play for college. yes, minor leagues that field undrafted talent will be shyt. that's not what i'm proposing at all.

and i'm not even addressing the second point again cuz i already did...unless you're a student/alum of a school, you have no reason to care about the team except for region/talent. a minor league team reps the region and would have the talent...overtime those fans could be converted to fans of the minor league. that old system of loyalty can be overcome

You can funnel them all you want. The results is gonna be that we’ll continue to watch college, praise and anoint the best players in college, and not give a fukk about the players in some minor league until they make it to the majors. You’ll never convince anyone here, “this podunk team will be valued more by you than your school.” That’s not an attachment you break.

a minor league team reps the region and would have the talent.

Where would they play?

 

[FaTaL]

Yep. But all the elite schools do it. If you have a high ranking player your school probably paid for it.

I assumed it was accepted practice by all schools and companies

This has been going on for so long why isn't football getting investigated as well?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Ehhhh

Might perspective at least from being in the South is different. A "street" fan of Alabama, UGA, Clemson, etc. loves that team really no different than an alum. I just don't see that history being replaced by minor league team.

if a different system existed from back in the 60's, i'm sure by now they'd be rabid fans of something else/whatever that system is. i've said a million times the shift aint gonna happen overnight....no, you're not gonna get 50 yr old bob to be your biggest fan, but you can bring 22 yr old jethro into the mix, he'll bring his kids and so on

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

You can funnel them all you want. The results is gonna be that we’ll continue to watch college, praise and anoint the best players in college, and not give a fukk about the players in some minor league until they make it to the majors. You’ll never convince anyone here, “this podunk team will be valued more by you than your school.” That’s not an attachment you break.


Where would they play?

it's not just about breaking, it's about building. as i said, if the talent there is immensely better, and the NFL/NBA don't have to fund it and pull from it, it won't matter if you get 50k fans a game or 10k. the money kids would get from playing in minors + still being draftable beats playing for free in a large school. yall are funny if you think a star player offered a viable paying option to the league is gonna skip it cuz fewer people are watching. i didn't propose this as some solution for fans, it's about a solution for the kids playing.

as for where would they play, wherever the billionaires decide to build something or create co-tenancy agreements.

 

[Walt]

I got people in the game (my people are clean) as well as intimate knowledge of the player's perspective. Been telling y'all for years about the bag men, even using that term. Iowa State started coming up under Hoiberg because he had a bag man. Sometimes it's the program, sometimes it's the sneaker reps... but there's always a bag of money. Sometimes the program will pay a smaller bag to get a top tier recruit to list them on their final list, so it gets the program's name out there for future recruits.

NCAA hoops is small potatoes compared to football, so this seems super selective. Why these dudes, and why now? They could do some shyt like this any given month, honestly. Really want to know the motivation here. Football is basically one giant money laundering scheme within a giant grift. They could pop any of these major schools at any time. They could get them for the money to recruits, the escort services, the cars, the manipulation of public funds by staffers, all of that. I'm always curious when people get caught what the real story behind it is.

 

[str8up]

It's why I'm laughing. This isn't isolated everybody is doing it. Cam Reddish was just meeting with Rich Paul before he committed to Duke.

@str8up Yall may get Romeo now.

Yep

 

[nieman]

uh, it's call disruption, nothing stupid about it. you're short sighted if you can't see how that would work.

aint nobody saying everything would change overnight...but if all the 5 star talent goes from high school to the minors, they'd be in the same position as college. tv would be forced to pick up these games since this is where the talent would be. college stardom/publicity/attention only exists because that's the only viable place top high school talent can go. if all the d-1 power conference talent was in a minor league, that's where eyes will be. furthermore they'd be free to accept the gifts, cash, etc. from agents/boosters, could have endorsements, and make money off their name - appearances, autographs, jersey sales, etc. can't take people seriously who don't see how a changing the paradigm to something like this (minor leagues) is immensely better for at least college football and basketball players.

if the minors really popped off, it would also pressure the NCAA to change their rules - let kids who had a "pro career" still be eligible for scholarships. kids could still go to play for NCAA teams AFTER the minors when it's clear they're not getting drafted. a 21-26 yr old would have a few more years to play ball/live in the limelight, they at least earned some money during their semi pro career, they'd be more focused on school and the life it can provide afterward since they now chose that path, NCAA teams would still exist just with slightly older talent, kids wouldn't be banging up their bodies, suffering career-ending injuries with nothing to show for it, and lastly, it might provide yet one more chance to gain the attention of NFL scouts.

I don't think it would work. If all the 5 star talent goes to the minors, the minors just become the new college (level), with general public still saying "lets see what they do in the league against the best." Because of the connotation "minor", it will never take off in America. Perception is everything. It's the same reason that more basketball players don't go the overseas route. They could easily flourish as a superstar, make 6-figures tax free and are still being scouted on the NBA level.

Also, at some point, the novelty of being a star minor player wears off, so for a player to think they'll still have that weight to their name after Year 2, would be far fetched. Of course, I'm speaking for the majority; there will always be an anomaly. Maybe that's all it takes.

As for NCAA teams existing with an older base, casual sports fans don't want to see that. It may work with a 19-22 (missing 1 year) crowd but definitely not 23-26..and not for football players. They might as well be playing intramurals. It's not a bad idea, just implausible in any US sports climate.

 

[hood b. goode]

 

[Pure Water]

None of this would be an issue of the players were allowed to make their own money. Hell the NCAA wouldn't even have to pay them. But nooooo, they're too stuck up on this "amateurism" bullshyt.

 

[DonKnock]