Breaking Bad Is Good, Not Great

[RJY33]

first two seasons are better than any other seasons in the series

the first two seasons of BB are like a good book. sure there are some less realistic scenes like the "this is not meth" , but for every scene like that I can find a scene in your favorite show.

most people who can't get through first seasons of breaking bad never read a good novel in their lives. and yes Im pretty confident making this generalization

even breaking bad stans wouldnt agree with that

first two seasons are essential only in seeing how the walt/jesse relationship began but its boring and the characters are awful besides the leads. not because there arent "cool" characters. "interesting" is a better word. People like Gus and Mike, Snoop and Chris because you can't wait to watch their scenes. They are good characters first, I dont like them cause i have some drug kingpin fantasy.

what do you consider a good novel
its a cable television show about a teacher who starts cooking meth and the trouble he gets into. not shakespeare, moby dikk, etc. why even make that comparison?

 

[hex]

even breaking bad stans wouldnt agree with that

first two seasons are essential only in seeing how the walt/jesse relationship began but its boring and the characters are awful besides the leads. not because there arent "cool" characters. "interesting" is a better word. People like Gus and Mike, Snoop and Chris because you can't wait to watch their scenes. They are good characters first, I dont like them cause i have some drug kingpin fantasy.

what do you consider a good novel
its a cable television show about a teacher who starts cooking meth and the trouble he gets into. not shakespeare, moby dikk, etc. why even make that comparison?

He's not the first to make the comparison.

David Benioff, showrunner for "Game of Thrones":

Speaking for myself, I'm a much worse reader at 42 than I was at 22. It's been a long time since I stayed up all night finishing a novel, and that's depressing. That said, I would put Season 4 of The Wire or any of the seasons of Breaking Bad against 99 percent of contemporary fiction, and pick Simon and Gilligan as the victors in terms of complexity of storytelling, depth of characters, and memorable dialogue.

Game of Thrones

Fred.

 

[Black Ball]

first two seasons are better than any other seasons in the series

see the problem is you guys want 'cool', 'likeable' characters to identify with and fast pace to be entertained. gus and mike are 'cool' to yall while they are pretty much the same ol tired gangster kingpin/muscle pair (well gus is a bit different, but its the same

the wire is the same way, most people on here like season 4 the most because of mike, chris and snoop. theyre 'cool' and just like with artists and athletes, you come to worship them.

the first two seasons of BB are like a good book. sure there are some less realistic scenes like the "this is not meth" , but for every scene like that I can find a scene in your favorite show. I prefer the wire overall, but brother mouzone is a fukking cartoon character, and so are the greeks. and honestly chris and snoop are also pretty borderline there.

most people who can't get through first seasons of breaking bad never read a good novel in their lives. and yes Im pretty confident making this generalization

I gotta disagree breh. Seasons 1 & 2 while both having great, great moments, can be hard at times to get through. And I very much like shows that build up a story slow and then move you gradually forward. The main reason why I was motivated to get through it was because I trusted the Sohh/Coli brethren who had deemed it great after the finish of Season 3.

Now towards the end of Season 3 and on, the show has been on another level. Straight edge of your seat status I always tell people to hang with it through Season 3 and they will not regret it.

I have to say I can't think of another show fighting for Goat status with an overall weaker start to the series in comparison to the overall quality of the show. (Park N Recs was terrible in the beginning, but that's another story)

All great 1st Seasons

The Wire
Sopranos
Game of Thrones
Boardwalk Empire
Mad Men

Not fighting for Goat status but, also with great 1st Seasons:

Deadwood
Dexter
Sons of Anarchy

 

[yseJ]

even breaking bad stans wouldnt agree with that

first two seasons are essential only in seeing how the walt/jesse relationship began but its boring and the characters are awful besides the leads. not because there arent "cool" characters. "interesting" is a better word. People like Gus and Mike, Snoop and Chris because you can't wait to watch their scenes. They are good characters first, I dont like them cause i have some drug kingpin fantasy.

what do you consider a good novel
its a cable television show about a teacher who starts cooking meth and the trouble he gets into. not shakespeare, moby dikk, etc. why even make that comparison?

I dont care who would agree with me. I have my opinion and Ill stand by it

people like all those characters because they have style and substance that appeal to them. then you see these characters in their avis, quotes, blah blah

bubbles is a far more complex character than snoop or chris, yet no one likes him or considers him interesting because of what he is.

walter basically killing the snitch and jane had far more effect on what walter has become and is a far more powerful scene than him

Spoiler

killing gus, mike or anyone else

the reason Ive compared first two seasons of BB to a novel is that nothing happens fast in a novel. you read through it for atmosphere and intellectual gain.
episodes like peekaboo explore things, paint things, slowly and deliberately. there aren't sudden plot twists that hit you like in a fast paced tv show like prison break or something. when those moments happen they hit you by contrast like a jackhammer (ie walter leaving tucos place with a bang)

plus personally, its far more interesting how a teacher became a kind of low level criminal than how a low-level criminal meth cook became scarface.

 

[FlyRy]

I gotta disagree breh. Seasons 1 & 2 while both having great, great moments, can be hard at times to get through. And I very much like shows that build up a story slow and then move you gradually forward. The main reason why I was motivated to get through it was because I trusted the Sohh/Coli brethren who had deemed it great after the finish of Season 3.

Now towards the end of Season 3 and on, the show has been on another level. Straight edge of your seat status I always tell people to hang with it through Season 3 and they will not regret it.

I have to say I can't think of another show fighting for Goat status with an overall weaker start to the series in comparison to the overall quality of the show. (Park N Recs was terrible in the beginning, but that's another story)

All great 1st Seasons

The Wire
Sopranos
Game of Thrones
Boardwalk Empire
Mad Men

Not fighting for Goat status but, also with great 1st Seasons:

Deadwood
Dexter
Sons of Anarchy

this show is really tough to get into. i mean its good and all, but i have no desire to watch more than 1 episode at a night.. im almost done with season 1 and so far the best ep was the one where

Spoiler

wild bill gets killed

. but im gonna stick with it i hear season 3 has a goat ending.

 

[yseJ]

I gotta disagree breh. Seasons 1 & 2 while both having great, great moments, can be hard at times to get through. And I very much like shows that build up a story slow and then move you gradually forward. The main reason why I was motivated to get through it was because I trusted the Sohh/Coli brethren who had deemed it great after the finish of Season 3.

Now towards the end of Season 3 and on, the show has been on another level. Straight edge of your seat status

but see this is exactly what I mean. I dont want to be on edge of of my seat. I dont watch good shows for that. I can watch 24 or prison break for an adrenaline dose of pure mindless entertainment.

a show like BB in its first seasons isnt about entertainment. its food for thought, themes, meaning and social commentary. literally nothing could happen on the show and it still can be great. not to mention, great acting

hence me comparing it to novels. most great novels have pretty simplistic plots and twists. the meat of them is in everything else.

 

[Black Ball]

but see this is exactly what I mean. I dont want to be on edge of of my seat. I dont watch good shows for that. I can watch 24 or prison break for an adrenaline dose of pure mindless entertainment.

a show like BB in its first seasons isnt about entertainment. its food for thought, themes, meaning and social commentary. literally nothing could happen on the show and it still can be great. not to mention, great acting

hence me comparing it to novels. most great novels have pretty simplistic plots and twists. the meat of them is in everything else.

Edge of your seat doesn't have to be action. It's about a storyline that is moving forward and wanting to see what happens next. In Seasons 1 & 2 and sometimes 3, it felt like the writers had the climatic moments and ending in mind, but filled time by not moving the story forward for many eps.

Slow shows like the Wire, Deadwood, Game of Thrones, etc... move the story forward while laying the foundation for the season.

 

[yseJ]

Edge of your seat doesn't have to be action. It's about a storyline that is moving forward and wanting to see what happens next.

exactly

I dont care what happens next when I read a good book. or rather, I may care, but its really like 10th thing I worry/think about.

the progression is irrelevant to me. even character development isnt terribly important to me. I mean, Im more interested in what character development says in the grand scheme of things, cause and effect style, than actual characters developing

the process is far more important than the outcome. you spoil whole seasons of breaking bad or the wire to me, and Id still wanna watch the shows. you spoil 24 to me and Ill be like why even watch it after ?

its kinda the same way I watch sports. the underlying mechanics and process is far more important to me than some kind of seesaw intrigue or entertainment of a score. Id watch any football game knowing the score in advance with the same fervor Id watch a game where I dont know the score (unless its my squad playing of course)

 

[Heelish]

I enjoyed that shyt when it used to be called "Weeds" on Showtime.

Except Weeds didn't make it past Season 3

Spoiler

If only

 

[hex]

I have literally never, not once in my life, heard of anyone having any kind of serious problems with season 1 and 2 of "Breaking Bad".

Then again this is the same board that routinely tells people to skip multiple seasons of "The Wire", so nothing surprises me anymore.

Fred.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

My favorite "story" shows:

1) Breaking Bad
2) Friday Night Lights
3) Arrested Development
4) The Wire
5) The Sapranos

 

[Ayo]

Smh @ nikkas heads exploding because someone doesn't like breaking bad. I feel like I'm in a Harry Potter thread right now

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

#DBAA

 

[Bud Bundy]

I have literally never, not once in my life, heard of anyone having any kind of serious problems with season 1 and 2 of "Breaking Bad".

Then again this is the same board that routinely tells people to skip multiple seasons of "The Wire", so nothing surprises me anymore.

Fred.

season 2 is crazy

that jump into full blown criminal is crazy.

Walt was not about that slow money. I wonder how is would act if i had nothing to lose.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I've also been Wondering if this Series is Worth the Hype, I haven't heard a Bad thing about it but I hate watching the Series 2nd or 3rd Season in so I'll just wait until everything is on NetFlix for me to watch.