Bone Thugs E. 1999 Eternal-Top 5 Album of All Time

[mobbinfms]

understand that. What you're not understanding is how does Busta end up with more monthly streams than PCD when they still have other songs with 200 million+ monthly listens. You're not telling me how Busta gets 10.5 million listeners and they are barely over 10 million.

You still don’t understand.
They share the listeners of Don’t Cha.
Add to whatever number that is, the number of listeners of every other Busta song. That’s gets you to 10.5 million for Busta.
Add to the Dont Cha listeners, whatever number that is, the listeners who listen to any other PCD song, but don’t listen to Don’t Cha. That gets you to 10 million.
Got it?
It’s like a Venn Diagram where the two circles share the Dont Cha listeners.

 

[mobbinfms]

And even if he's getting more traffic off this one song, this isn't the case for other artists. For example, Luda is featured on "Yeah". This song does not appear in his popular songs list. It has 727 million listens. His monthly listeners is 6.7-6.8

Wow. Those are terrible numbers for Luda. His shyt clearly hasn’t stood the test of time.
The obvious answer here is that Luda is not listed as an artist on Yeah, the same way Busta is on Don’t Cha.
Yeah is Ushers most popular song, so it would be Luda’s as well, if it counted for him.
As to why some featured artists get the credit on Spotify and others don’t? Who knows. Busta is eating though

 

[mobbinfms]

We aren't saying the same things. You're saying it has to be either/or. I'm saying that there's a gray area and that's where Illmatic sits.

Clearly you don’t know what spectrum means

 

[mobbinfms]

Because you are attempting to apply a "this artist's music is more timeless because it has more streams because it wasn't as commercially successful back in the day". I posted that list because these were all 90's album and in spite of them being commercially successful, there were definitely albums that were more commercially successful in the 90's that weren't on the list. I said this pages ago. The fact that 2001 is #1 speaks volumes. Yes, it sold, but definitely not as huge of a commercial juggernaut as Puff's No Way Out, which wasn't one of the albums that were most streamed. Furthermore, if we were to go by your logic, as I said MULTIPLE times, 2001 would be the most timeless album of the 90's.

You make it sound like there were dozens and dozens of hip hop albums outselling 2001 in the 90s.
2001 went six times platinum in exactly one year. It has not been certified again since November 2000. It will be interesting to see what number it’s at now. It’s probably Diamond or closing in on it.
What other albums outsold it?
Puff ended up at 7, but it took him longer to get to six.
It took the Fugees longer to get to six and they had an R&B song that was crucial to those numbers.
Lauryn outsold 2001 but her album was a hybrid.
Pac or Big never did six.
Who am I forgetting here?

 

[mobbinfms]

missed this post. We have seen proof that past commercial performance DOES NOT factor into present day streaming. There is NO LOGIC in that. Just based on the fact that 2001 had no songs that were commercial juggernauts during its run, yet something like "Still Dre" has far more streams than songs that were bigger in 1999. Same goes for the other songs in his top 5.

Puff

Album did 6x platinum in a year. It was a commercial juggernaut.

 

[mobbinfms]

Puff and Cormega is comparing one extreme to another. For starters, Mega is underground and indy. He wasn't even Rawkus underground. Puff's a label. Nobody's looking at past commercial performance for them because NOBODY would ever compare the two of them anyway until you just did.

Of course it’s an extreme example. I have to go to these lengths to get you to admit basic facts.

 

[JustCKing]

Album did 6x platinum in a year. It was a commercial juggernaut.

No Way Out had two #1 singles ("Can't Nobody Hold Me Down", "I'll Be Missin You"), two singles at #2 ("Benjamins" and "Been Around The World") and another single that was #19 ("Victory"). "Victory" went gold. "I'll be Missin You" is 3X platinum and "Been Around The World" is 2X platinum. No Way Out itself is 7X platinum. Commercial juggernaut.

2001 is the rare album where the singles felt bigger than they actually were. The singles weren't chart toppers. It's an album you wouldn't think did those numbers and would be kind of shocked to see it was a 6X platinum album and even outsold the original Chronic and Doggystyle.

 

[JustCKing]

Of course it’s an extreme example. I have to go to these lengths to get you to admit basic facts.

Breh, that isn't an attempt to admit basic facts. It's a stretch Armstrong reach to justify a baseless argument.

 

[JustCKing]

Those are terrible numbers for Luda. His shyt clearly hasn’t

And this is the argument I'm trying to get you to understand, by whose standard is that a terrible number? How does this mean his music has not stood the test of time?

And Luda is listed as a feature on "Yeah":

 

[mobbinfms]

No Way Out had two #1 singles ("Can't Nobody Hold Me Down", "I'll Be Missin You"), two singles at #2 ("Benjamins" and "Been Around The World") and another single that was #19 ("Victory"). "Victory" went gold. "I'll be Missin You" is 3X platinum and "Been Around The World" is 2X platinum. No Way Out itself is 7X platinum. Commercial juggernaut.

2001 is the rare album where the singles felt bigger than they actually were. The singles weren't chart toppers. It's an album you wouldn't think did those numbers and would be kind of shocked to see it was a 6X platinum album and even outsold the original Chronic and Doggystyle.

I’d argue the opposite. It’s an album where you would have expected the singles to chart much higher. Album was huge.
Put putting Puff to the side, and I’ll concede his album was bigger than 2001. Not and E.1999 to Infamous difference, but still bigger. What other albums clearly outsold 2001?

 

[JustCKing]

I’d argue the opposite. It’s an album where you would have expected the singles to chart much higher. Album was huge.
Put putting Puff to the side, and I’ll concede his album was bigger than 2001. Not and E.1999 to Infamous difference, but still bigger. What other albums clearly outsold 2001?

How would you expect some of these singles to chart higher? "Benjamins" started out as a mixtape cut. Have you heard "Victory"?

Off the top of my head, Big Willie Style was another one that outsold 2001. It is 9X platinum.

 

[mobbinfms]

And this is the argument I'm trying to get you to understand, by whose standard is that a terrible number? How does this mean his music has not stood the test of time?

And Luda is listed as a feature on "Yeah":

He’s listed as a feature in the song title, but he isn’t the “artist” in the way Busta is on that PCD song. I just explained this.

Maybe I’m wrong about Luda. Name some other 2000s rappers who went triple multiple times with similar numbers. They struck me as low is all.

 

[JustCKing]

He’s listed as a feature in the song title, but he isn’t the “artist” in the way Busta is on that PCD song. I just explained this.

Maybe I’m wrong about Luda. Name some other 2000s rappers who went triple multiple times with similar numbers. They struck me as low is all.

And that's another point about these streaming numbers. Both artists are featured artists. "Don't Cha" is not a Busta Rhymes song. He has a guest verse on it. "Family Ties" shows up for Kendrick despite it clearly saying "with Kendrick Lamar".

Ja Rule was putting up similar numbers in the 00's and he has around the same streaming numbers as Luda. Ja is lower though at like 5.8.

 

[mobbinfms]

How would you expect some of these singles to chart higher? "Benjamins" started out as a mixtape cut. Have you heard "Victory"?

Off the top of my head, Big Willie Style was another one that outsold 2001. It is 9X platinum.

Obviously that didn’t stand the test of time.

 

[JustCKing]

Obviously that didn’t stand the test of time.

By whose standard? Who are you to say that album didn't stand the test of time? What is the basis for this argument?