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The entire market is gambling unless you have insider info. It doesn't care what you feel or your vision, a lower guidance or earnings miss and you're down the initial investment or even. Penny stocks are more manipulated and much riskier plays than large caps, I recommend options in scenarios over investing. See how it goes both ways.

Long story short, 1 option contract = the right to buy 100 shares of a stock/future. You don't have to execute or buy the 100 shares if you don't want and that's where it gets its name. Most popular transactions are buying calls and puts. Calls = the same as buying low to selling high, puts = the stock will fall.

You can buy options that expire Friday of the current week, next month, next year etc. You can move the contract for profit before it expires or execute the 100 share order when it expires. Only time you lose money on an expiry is if the value of the contract can't be hit before it expires. The main goal for most is to move the contract before expiry for profits.

So basically, the same fundamentals in investing applies to options. Only difference is options are best for short term moves or big swings over a longer period in time, investments you can sit on without a time limit.

I prefer it since I can sell it when I want and if I like the set up, I'll buy into it again. I'll already have profited x times more off calls and puts in the same window than if I just sat on it.
 

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The entire market is gambling unless you have insider info.
No it isn't. Investing and gambling both have risk but gambling in the market is high risk investing is typically low risk or if not you have much more control over the risk.

If you go back to 2010 and buy Microsoft's stock it's like in the $30 range. Today even after the fallout it's in the $160s. That ignores dividends.

If you invest over a long term into a good company then you're making money. With options there are too many variables outside of your control. A flu like virus could break out inside your short window and the market could tank. They could fail to meet earnings in the short term and your options could expire worthless.

With investing you can indefinitely expand your window and provided the company doesn't crash and burn the stock price will go up. Options lock you into a time frame and once that happens the uncontrollables can reek havoc on you.
 

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No it isn't. Investing and gambling both have risk but gambling in the market is high risk investing is typically low risk or if not you have much more control over the risk.

If you go back to 2010 and buy Microsoft's stock it's like in the $30 range. Today even after the fallout it's in the $160s. That ignores dividends.

If you invest over a long term into a good company then you're making money. With options there are too many variables outside of your control. A flu like virus could break out inside your short window and the market could tank. They could fail to meet earnings in the short term and your options could expire worthless.

With investing you can indefinitely expand your window and provided the company doesn't crash and burn the stock price will go up. Options lock you into a time frame and once that happens the uncontrollables can reek havoc on you.

It is. You have no control over your money once it's in the market and all those scenarios affect portfolios just as much as option contracts. There is more risk with options due to their nature but one can't be "uncontrollable gambling" and the other "sound", especially in this market. You buy into a good company with options the same way you do stock. Time on your side is nice but you can make money off options in any financial period too.

Nothing to really go back and forth over, I'm just answering what options are and clearing some hyperbole.
 
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It is. You have no control over your money once it's in the market and all those scenarios affect portfolios just as much as option contracts. There is more risk with options due to their nature but one can't be "uncontrollable gambling" and the other "sound", especially in this market. You buy into a good company with options the same way you do stock. Time on your side is nice but you can make money off options in any financial period too.

Nothing to really go back and forth over, I'm just answering what options are and clearing some hyperbole.
Options have a locked in time period. I can literally die of old age holding stocks over a long term. Over a long enough term most if not all short term risk are negated and you really have to focus on long term risk which are far more obvious. Over a shorter term short term risk become devastating. Long term risk don't crop up unexpectedly. Short term risk do.

Long term investing doesn't really require much in the way of luck. It requires good sound judgment. Options require luck and the best judgment in the world might not be enough to compensate. There's nothing hyperbole about that.
 
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If your a long term investor then right now is the time to be aggressive
We are where we were last October but there is now the potential for a global recession due to a pandemic that doesn't appear to be close to getting better and there is also an oil price war that is going to have real impacts to US growth. We've basically only given back blow off the tops highs. For me, risk reward is definitely still skewed down. Buy the dip works until it doesn't...
 

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Oil now a 'bigger problem for markets than the coronavirus,' analyst says

yo if gas prices continue to drop and maybe even cut in half from where it's at then the market is gonna get really ugly. a lot of ppl could potentially lose their job and refineries could close and that'll really throw us in a recession.

I'm done buying XOM. CCL is where it's at now.

i'll buy XOM if they drop close to $30.

i don't think i'll be touching CCL anytime soon. wouldn't surprise me if this stock drops below $17 and i'm not sure if their dividend is sustainable during a bear market. leisure stocks are gonna get impacted big time. i'm just gonna keep an eye on a lot of stocks and set alerts for when they drop.
 
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