Black socialists respond to Jim Clyburn saying there's no black socialists

[Robbie3000]

Bet money that the bulk of these folks,including the ones in the clip come from the same suburban backgrounds as the muddle class white guys.

Rep. Clyburn clearly said "none that I've met or associated with in politics" in politics.

Not that it matters, but I would guess/bet that 2 out of the 3 hosts of that show have non Black spouses/partners.

You're better than this.

 

[get these nets]

You're better than this.

I just posted the full question and full answer that the excerpted clip was taken.
I was corrected about their backgrounds/personal lives, but hearing what he really said in context did confirm my suspicions about the motives of the hosts.

On draft night, we see professional talkers analyze the moves of executives whose livelihoods depend on making the right decisions. That professional talker can get it wrong every year and be on the air for decades, that sports executive is going be judged based on results.

 

[Stir Fry]

He sure seems bent on stopping one lol

No. 3 House Democrat Steps Into Ohio Race to Head Off a Sanders Acolyte

No. 3 House Democrat Steps Into Ohio Race to Head Off a Sanders Acolyte

The decision by Representative James Clyburn to oppose an outspoken ally of Senator Bernie Sanders in a special election in Cleveland highlights the generational and ideological gulf in the Democratic Party

June 29, 2021Updated 10:22 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON — Early last year, as Bernie Sanders was surging through the first Democratic presidential primary races, Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, a kingmaker in his state, stepped in to endorse Joseph R. Biden Jr. before the primary there, helping vault the former vice president to the nomination.

On Tuesday, Mr. Clyburn, the No. 3 House Democrat, took aim at one of Mr. Sanders’s most outspoken acolytes, Nina Turner, a hero to the left who is surging in her campaign in Ohio to claim the Cleveland-based congressional seat vacated by the housing secretary, Marcia L. Fudge.

In a rare intervention into a party primary, Mr. Clyburn, a veteran lawmaker and the highest-ranking Black member of Congress, endorsed Shontel Brown, Ms. Turner’s leading opponent.

He said his decision to back Ms. Brown, the chairwoman of the Cuyahoga County Democratic Party, was not about Mr. Sanders, or even Ms. Turner, who remains the favorite before the contest on Aug. 3 in the heavily Democratic district. But he took a swipe at what he called the “sloganeering” of the party’s left flank, which has risen to power with calls for “Medicare for all,” and to “abolish ICE” and “defund the police.”

Ms. Pelosi even agreed to vacate her position after this Congress, and the next year will be an ideological battle over who will succeed her.

Ms. Brown has the backing of the Democratic establishment, including not only Mr. Clyburn but also Hillary Clinton; Richard Cordray, a former Ohio attorney general; Representative Joyce Beatty of Ohio, the chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus; and moderate Democrats like Representatives Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey and David Trone of Maryland.

Ms. Turner, who has the endorsements of much of the House Progressive Caucus, including the so-called squad — Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna S. Pressley, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib — would be a strong new voice for the congressional left. And the left is increasingly focused on Black and Hispanic districts that they see as safe redoubts for ideological candidates.

“You can’t take any one race and paint it as some larger aggregate for the whole country,” Ms. Ocasio-Cortez, a New York Democrat, said on Tuesday. “But I do think that Nina is a beloved leader in the progressive movement, and the degree of excitement that she’s generated and grass-roots energy and organizing in her direction is a real testament to the asset that the base of our party can provide.”

Ms. Turner is undoubtedly a divisive figure as well. A prominent surrogate for Mr. Sanders in 2016 and a national co-chairwoman for his campaign in 2020, she has never minced words about what she calls “corporate Democrats.” She has declined to say whether she voted for Ms. Clinton in 2016, and before Election Day in November, she suggested the choice between Donald J. Trump and Mr. Biden was the choice between a full bowl of excrement and half a bowl.

At an event last weekend, Ms. Turner sat beside the rapper Killer Mike, another supporter of Mr. Sanders, as he suggested that Mr. Clyburn sold out cheap to Mr. Biden, delivering his endorsement in exchange for making Juneteenth into a federal holiday.

“I think it’s incredibly stupid to not cut a deal before you get someone elected president, and the only thing you get is a federal holiday and nothing tangible out of it,” he said, as Ms. Turner approvingly interjected, “You better talk about it.”


In an interview Tuesday, Ms. Turner blanched at any notion of disloyalty to the party for which she has served as a Cleveland city councilwoman, a state senator, the Democratic nominee for secretary of state, and a two-time convention delegate for Barack Obama, when Mr. Biden shared his ticket.

“I wish people were more concerned about the suffering that I have enumerated than the colorful words that I have used,” she said.

Both Ms. Turner and Ms. Brown are Black, as is Ms. Fudge, whom Mr. Clyburn aggressively promoted to lead the Agriculture Department before Mr. Biden selected her as housing secretary.

Ms. Brown carefully plays on Ms. Turner’s outspokenness in her campaign.

“As the leader of this party, I am truly skilled in building bridges and doing it without attacking people or insulting them,” she said Tuesday. If sent to Washington, she added, “I won’t have to start with a long letter of apology.”

Ms. Turner has a ready answer for that, pointing to the blistering attack Kamala Harris, then a senator, directed at Mr. Biden during one of the presidential debates, when she said his policies had exacerbated racial injustice.

“If those two can be side by side now, then surely the president and I can come together,” she said, though she added that her campaign is “not about loyalty to any one person.”

She has been trying to make amends, commending the Biden administration for its pandemic response, its huge coronavirus aid package and its social policy proposals, while saying Democrats need to go further — on student debt forgiveness, a $15-an-hour minimum wage and climate change,

And ultimately, ideology, not style, is the biggest issue confronting the Democratic Party.

“These generational shifts are absolutely a theme throughout the caucus across a lot of different issues,” Ms. Ocasio-Cortez said. “That’s why I think Nina’s groundswell is exciting, because it’s not any one person’s endorsement. It’s really the sum of everything that we’ve seen.”

 

[GPBear]

The Black Panther Party was explicitly Marxist-Leninist

 

[Pressure]

The Black Panther Party was explicitly Marxist-Leninist

You fell for a troll thread. He didn't say black socialist don't exist

 

[GPBear]

You fell for a troll thread. He didn't say black socialist don't exist

You posted the quote where he said "I've been Black a long time. I don't know of any Black people that I've been with, in politics, who are comfortable with socialism,”

 

[Pressure]

You posted the quote where he said "I've been Black a long time. I don't know of any Black people that I've been with, in politics, who are comfortable with socialism,”

It's about people's he been with in politics.

It's not that important.

He ended up being right about Bernie in SC and right about GA.

That upset some people.

 

[GPBear]

It's about people's he been with in politics.

It's not that important.

He ended up being right about Bernie in SC and right about GA.

That upset some people.

If you wanna for that guy, that's whatever, but as people already pointed out -- Clyburn was a freshman congressman the same year as Bobby Rush - so he's just lying/wrong.

apparently these two were never in politics together

 

[Pressure]

If you wanna for that guy, that's whatever, but as people already pointed out -- Clyburn was a freshman congressman the same year as Bobby Rush - so he's just lying/wrong.

apparently these two were never in politics together

This is an old thread. I've met clyburn. He's an old southern guy that gets the pulse of his area and gets reelected as such.

He's the congressional WHIP. No need to assume his views that a lot of southern democrats aren't comfortable with socialism and defund the police as being untrue.

I dont really need to be lectured by a white guy from Portland about the political landscape of the black American south which largely swings on the older black vote.


Labeling the black Panther a mere Marxist-Leninist organization is just a bad take. Take rush's own words:

TERRY ROCKEFELLER: That's wonderful. That's great, that's great. Can you talk a little bit about what the Panther party was trying to achieve in terms of--you called yourself a revolutionary party. What kind of revolution were you hoping to bring about?
BOBBY RUSH: Well, I think that when you look at in essence we were, we were, we wanted to bring about, uh, a change, we wanted to bring about an empowerment, we wanted to bring about changing conditions. Now, the rhetoric might have gone, uh, a number of different ways. I think the Panther Party evolved to, to many different things in the short time that it was, uh, uh, alive and thriving here. It was cultural nationalist at one time, it was, then it evolved into a revolutionary nationalist, and then it evolved into, uh, internationalist, and then it evolved into um, had components of socialist philosophy involved in it, and then it ultimately evolved into what we call revolutionary inter communalist, you know, which was another, uh, uh, component of a number of different philosophies and ideologies and things like that.
QUESTION 4
TERRY ROCKEFELLER: What did empowerment mean to you? What were your goals, what were you working for with the programs and various alliances you formed?
BOBBY RUSH: Well, I think that, uh, power, uh, uh, very succinctly, and this is a quote directly from Bobby Seale, saying, uh, was, "is the ability to define phenomena and make it act in a desired manner." And what we were trying to do was trying to organize, um, Blacks, particularly in the Panther party, we were trying to coalesce with other organizations that was trying to organize, uh, natural allies of the Panther party and the Black community, and to, a, a community and a political vehicle and a political force that would be able to bring about fundamental changes in the lives of, in the quality of lives in, in, in the overall Black community. That's what's really the engine, that was the burn, that was the, the, uh, the motivation that most Panthers had, uh, was to bring about social and economic and, uh, uh, political justice for people who had been denied that, uh, since the, since the beginning of their existence in this country.

Now scram.

 

[GPBear]

This is an old thread. I've met clyburn. He's an old southern guy that gets the pulse of his area and gets reelected as such.

He's the congressional WHIP. No need to assume his views that a lot of southern democrats aren't comfortable with socialism and defund the police as being untrue.

I dont really need to be lectured by a white guy from Portland about the political landscape of the black American south which largely swings on the older black vote.


Labeling the black Panther a mere Marxist-Leninist organization is just a bad take. Take rush's own words:



Now scram.

shut the fukk up stupud

Moving the goal posts “he was talking about southern Democrats in his congressional district “

when you yourself quoted him saying “nobody” he had ever worked with in politics. You’re being disingenuous as shyt


And as for your smug ass remark about the black panthers, first of all - I’m from Oakland and my immediate family were politicians, lawyers, county commissioners, political activists in the Bay Area (specifically Alameda County - yknow, Oakland) so that’s a political landscape I was born into and aware of whereas you’re just talking out your ass because you wanna brown nose clyburn

second of all, Leninism was specifically the off shoot of Marxism that advocated the formation of a vanguard party for the purpose of instigating a revolution - the black panther party was specifically, explicitly a version of this ideology that was different because it considered the lumpenmasse as the vanguard class as opposed to the educated elite of traditional Leninism, but the concept was exactly the same - again, the quote you posted is specifically asking about revolutionary politics and its evolution.

But keep changing words around to fit whatever fukked up narrative you want about Clyburn because he shook your hand or whatever rather than just admitting he made an inaccurate sweeping generalization which is patently untrue.

 

[Godless Socialist CEO]

Reminder Clyburn played a huge role in fukking Bernie's leftist movement. Guy is a fukking fossil who needs to be removed from office.

 

[get these nets]

shut the fukk up stupud

Moving the goal posts “he was talking about southern Democrats in his congressional district “

when you yourself quoted him saying “nobody” he had ever worked with in politics. You’re being disingenuous as shyt


And as for your smug ass remark about the black panthers, first of all - I’m from Oakland and my immediate family were politicians, lawyers, county commissioners, political activists in the Bay Area (specifically Alameda County - yknow, Oakland) so that’s a political landscape I was born into and aware of whereas you’re just talking out your ass because you wanna brown nose clyburn

second of all, Leninism was specifically the off shoot of Marxism that advocated the formation of a vanguard party for the purpose of instigating a revolution - the black panther party was specifically, explicitly a version of this ideology that was different because it considered the lumpenmasse as the vanguard class as opposed to the educated elite of traditional Leninism, but the concept was exactly the same - again, the quote you posted is specifically asking about revolutionary politics and its evolution.

But keep changing words around to fit whatever fukked up narrative you want about Clyburn because he shook your hand or whatever rather than just admitting he made an inaccurate sweeping generalization which is patently untrue.

What was Rep. Bobby Rush's political ideology as a first time Congressman?

He was a Panther in his early 20s,got elected at 45.

Clyburn and Rush working together in the House wouldn't disprove his comment.

 

[mastermind]

Labeling the black Panther a mere Marxist-Leninist organization is just a bad take. Take rush's own words:

That's interesting because three of the first four points from the 10 point plan are from Marxist-Leninist theories.

 

[EndDomination]

Clyburn and Clinton backing a losing candidate against Nina Turner in Ohio - pathetic

 

[Pressure]

shut the fukk up stupud

Moving the goal posts “he was talking about southern Democrats in his congressional district “

when you yourself quoted him saying “nobody” he had ever worked with in politics. You’re being disingenuous as shyt


And as for your smug ass remark about the black panthers, first of all - I’m from Oakland and my immediate family were politicians, lawyers, county commissioners, political activists in the Bay Area (specifically Alameda County - yknow, Oakland) so that’s a political landscape I was born into and aware of whereas you’re just talking out your ass because you wanna brown nose clyburn

second of all, Leninism was specifically the off shoot of Marxism that advocated the formation of a vanguard party for the purpose of instigating a revolution - the black panther party was specifically, explicitly a version of this ideology that was different because it considered the lumpenmasse as the vanguard class as opposed to the educated elite of traditional Leninism, but the concept was exactly the same - again, the quote you posted is specifically asking about revolutionary politics and its evolution.

But keep changing words around to fit whatever fukked up narrative you want about Clyburn because he shook your hand or whatever rather than just admitting he made an inaccurate sweeping generalization which is patently untrue.

You're the one making the dishonest take.

There just aren't a bunch of successful black US politicians running as socialists.

Even Rush, who you used as an example, described it as a phase in his early life.

Historical context aside, it's telling that you're attempting to shift the primary focus of the black Panther Party away from pro black advancement. I see why you were banned.

What was Rep. Bobby Rush's political ideology as a first time Congressman?

He was a Panther in his early 20s,got elected at 45.

Clyburn and Rush working together in the House wouldn't disprove his comment.

Bro, he's talking about a man who Endorsed Michael Bloomberg for president.