Black socialists respond to Jim Clyburn saying there's no black socialists

[Wild self]

i dont blame the old head for not knowing, the feds killed and incarcerated so many black socialists and communists that by the late 80s, most black movements had to do without their leadership. they also kept them in solitary for their entire sentences - not uncommon for BPs and other leftists to do over 40 years all solitary confinement.

This has a lot to do with it

 

[God Almighty]

not uncommon for BPs and other leftists to do over 40 years all solitary confinement.

This is insane. And it really happened. And it continues. Let's make small incremental changes to this system so we don't offend Republicans.

 

[Gains]

I’m not sure you know what a grifter is. Do you think a true leftist would be ok with a hard right fascist like Trump being in office for $2000 a month? Trump is the complete anthesis of what a true leftist stands for but she’s ok with the idea of him subverting democracy for a capitalist handout?

Give her a break , she's been trying to rebrand herself ever since Bernie tossed her in the bushes

 

[EndDomination]

Thanks for the correction. None of them are on my radar.

I watched the first 2 minutes or so, and it appears as though the entire show is based on that extracted part of Rep. Clyburn's comment.
Wouldn't his comments be accurate though? The NYC metro area, Bay area, Pacific Northwest and other areas have Black socialist organizations that have engaged in the political arena. How many candidates have gotten into office or activist spoken at hearings that they would be on his radar? What type of presence do they have in his district or state that he would even be aware of the local ones?

Are we talking about current Black socialist work or historical Black socialist work - because he's encompassing both in his argument.

South Carolina has a Black socialist tradition just like Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia, and it was a big part of the labor movement (which he has tied his legacy to) as well as the voting rights movement as a part of the general CRM.

More recently than that Afrosocialists and DSA/SPUSA have been doing organizing work in Charlotte and Charleston (this would be the last 4-5 years).

He's being disingenuous on purpose.

 

[EndDomination]

Give her a break , she's been trying to rebrand herself ever since Bernie tossed her in the bushes

Rebrand in what way? Outspoken DemSoc to outspoken DemSoc?

 

[Pressure]

Seems like a podcast in bad faith.

“I've been Black a long time. I don't know of any Black people that I've been with, in politics, who are comfortable with socialism,” said Clyburn in an interview with Yahoo Finance on Monday.

“I don't know of a single African-American that wants to defund the police,” said Clyburn. “And they tell me that's not what they mean when they're saying it. Well, soundbites kill you. If that’s not what you mean, don’t say it.”

“John Lewis and I were in the Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee. We were doing great work. All of a sudden we woke up one day [and] “burn Baby burn” was the big slogan,” said Clyburn. “It destroyed our efforts and I saw the same thing happening to Black Lives Matter when it comes to defund the police. Nobody wants to defund the police.”

The “burn baby burn” slogan is associated with riots in the 1960s, when people set cars and businesses on fire.

“Georgia was a mecca of the so-called non-violent movement. Martin Luther King Jr., John Lewis — they were all right there in Georgia,” said Clyburn. “That’s what killed us. Sloganeering killed us back then. I hope we don't allow sloganeering kill us today. If you're going to win those seats in Georgia, we're going to have to connect with voters and you will not connect with Southern voters with defund the police hanging over your head.”

Do we think the socialism and defund the police angles are beneficial to the GA runoff?

 

[Oville]

Brie Brie Joy is .

I believe the context behind it is that had he offered people some material assistance his support would be even stronger. Not necessarily that it would justify what he is doing.

 

[Pressure]

I believe the context behind it is that had he offered people some material assistance his support would be even stronger. Not necessarily that it would justify what he is doing.

With what group?

 

[Starski]

Brie Brie Joy is .

 

[Oville]

With what group?

He'd likely get a bigger bump from all groups. Doesn't necessarily mean he'd win over a majority but those stimulus checks with his name on it won recognition from low-info voters

 

[duncanthetall]

Clyburn is an idiot if he actually said that.

 

[mastermind]

He's 80 - the Black revolutionaries were his peers, classmates, and were around him during his youth. The reason why he never got caught up in anything was because he took the "safe Negro" route - he's a part of the political class of Blacks who keep out actual Black changemakers - in favor of moderate representatives and the like who only want the status quo with an occasional "Black speech" to get some representative support.

Exactly. His full quote says he wasn't like those negroes.

Bill Clinton said something similar at John Lewis' funeral and everyone got mad at him, but with Clyburn its fine.

Thanks for the correction. None of them are on my radar.

I watched the first 2 minutes or so, and it appears as though the entire show is based on that extracted part of Rep. Clyburn's comment.
Wouldn't his comments be accurate though? The NYC metro area, Bay area, Pacific Northwest and other areas have Black socialist organizations that have engaged in the political arena. How many candidates have gotten into office or activist spoken at hearings that they would be on his radar? What type of presence do they have in his district or state that he would even be aware of the local ones?

Wasn't Congressman Bobby Rush a former Panther? Breh isn't a socialist anymore, but his views are way left of Clyburn and they came into congress the same year.

 

[God Almighty]

If you think socialists are supporting Trump, you're real dumb.

 

[get these nets]

Are we talking about current Black socialist work or historical Black socialist work - because he's encompassing both in his argument.

South Carolina has a Black socialist tradition just like Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia, and it was a big part of the labor movement (which he has tied his legacy to) as well as the voting rights movement as a part of the general CRM.

More recently than that Afrosocialists and DSA/SPUSA have been doing organizing work in Charlotte and Charleston (this would be the last 4-5 years).

He's being disingenuous on purpose.

Cued to the direct question. Rep. Clyburn answers from roughly 5 to 7:28


He's in a results based business, so he's talking about the word in the context of electability.
You said that the woman works in the ivory tower world. If the other hosts do as well, you can see how they are looking at the term Black socialist differently than Rep. Clyburn.

 

[Starski]

If you think socialists are supporting Trump, you're real dumb.

I don’t but if the subsidized shoe fits

Spoiler

shyt was a funny meme nothing more