Black people should at least consider voting republican

[ghostwriterx]

The conservative movement(in America) has always been an ideological one... where as the liberal movement has always been a more tribal movement. Blacks fall easily into the liberal wheelhouse.

I'm going to hold off on calling this nonsense until you elaborate. Make it good.

 

[theworldismine13]

This is dumb, black people didn't start voting majority Democrat just because of Obama.

The Dems will generally get about 90% of the black vote regardless of who runs, that's just how the demographics are. There's no indication that this will change just because Obama is leaving office. There wasn't exactly an outpour of enthusiasm about John Kerry but he still got about 90% of the black vote. Has nothing to do with any imaginary enthusiasm for Democrats, just antipathy towards Republicans.

Not to mention that Obama will endorse whoever the Dem candidate is and we have another year and a half left of Republicans insulting minorities and probably talking slick around the string of police shootings of unarmed black people. There's no reason to think black people will all of a sudden start a Republican revolution for no reason. Most likely the percentages will be similar to how they were last election but turnout will be a little lower.


That said, I really do wish both parties were a viable option. It's not good for black people politically nor is it healthy for the country as a whole to divide their vote so much along racial lines. But people are disinclined to vote for a party that's antagonistic to them.

well the level of support hillary will get is my prediction, but its not like its some crazy prediction,
its a very real question, the election of 2014 tells you what happens if the obama base doesnt come out an vote, 2016 is a presidential year, so more people will vote by if that dynamic of 2014 stays the same then hillary loses, look around here, im not aware of any poster or anybody in real life that is a real deal hillary supporter, everybody around here is holding their noses to vote for her, how do you think the low level enthusiasm is gonna manifest in 2016?

and its also my view that post obama things have changed in the black community because we have tasted what it feels like to have a black president, thats why you cant use kerry or gore as an example, i think obama has caused cynicism to increase, i think more and more people are going to stop feeling allegiance to the democratic party

i think the democrats will still get the vast majority of black votes, more than 80%, but i think it will be below 90

http://www.newrepublic.com/blog/ele...looked-question-2016-the-future-black-turnout

 

[KnowDatImReal]

only two options for who to vote for

 

[NZA]

one day some of you will learn that these political parties experience their own form of white flight. too many non c00ning blacks end up in a party and it will drive cacs out. this has already happened before and can happen again until the white vote becomes weaker.

 

[DEAD7]

I'm going to hold off on calling this nonsense until you elaborate. Make it good.

First this isnt an absolute, there are tribes and ideals on both sides.

But people who gravitate to the GoP in America more often than not, do so out of an ideological belief in limited govt., low taxes, free enterprise, religious freedom, liberty/freedom(which includes freedom to be racist), and "morality".
The democratic party is much more group oriented. Are you a black? are you gay? are you part of a union? are you a student? are you an immigrant? are you poor? are you a pregnant teen? if so, the democratic message speaks directly to you.
Ideological concepts aren't marketed by the left(probably because of the stigma attached to govt. provision), its more of a "we will make things better for people in your demographic". A look at the post in this thread are a perfect example of it, as are the counter arguments from the right about govt. overreach and fiscal responsibility.


Just my opinion.

 

[Fervid]

If you vote republican you're voting against yourself and you're own people.... Which in turns make you a fukking moron. I can't even believe people would suggest voting for a party that only cares about rich white people.

Well, tbh I think both parties care mostly about rich white people. Dems just offer the appearance of caring for minorities and poor people.

 

[badhat]

First this isnt an absolute, there are tribes and ideals on both sides.

But people who gravitate to the GoP in America more often than not, do so out of an ideological belief in limited govt., low taxes, free enterprise, religious freedom, liberty/freedom(which includes freedom to be racist), and "morality".
The democratic party is much more group oriented. Are you a black? are you gay? are you part of a union? are you a student? are you an immigrant? are you poor? are you a pregnant teen? if so, the democratic message speaks directly to you.
Ideological concepts aren't marketed by the left(probably because of the stigma attached to govt. provision), its more of a "we will make things better for people in your demographic". A look at the post in this thread are a perfect example of it, as are the counter arguments from the right about govt. overreach and fiscal responsibility.


Just my opinion.

Nationalism's a big part of conservatism. Plus the belief in limited government & "freedoms" are endemic to tribes that already benefit from the status quo.

Both sides are claiming morality, so I don't know what to do with that.

 

[badhat]

I'd argue that conservative ideals are a lot more simplistic in delivery, since they're generally not worrying about plurality too much.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I think it would be great to pit the two parties against each other to leverage our political strength

My beef is with idiots saying we should just vote for Republicans on a whim with no consideration for what their party stands for or what kinds of policies they push through. These dudes think voting Republican without holding them accountable will magically make them work for us, as if that has worked with Democrats.

 

[boskey]

Can't the same logic be applied to not voting at all? It giftwraps electoral wins to republicans and significantly weakens democrats who will then have to work harder to gain black support?

You're assuming a lot with this strategy

 

[theworldismine13]

I think it would be great to pit the two parties against each other to leverage our political strength

My beef is with idiots saying we should just vote for Republicans on a whim with no consideration for what their party stands for or what kinds of policies they push through. These dudes think voting Republican without holding them accountable will magically make them work for us, as if that has worked with Democrats.

ok kemo sabe

 

[ghostwriterx]

First this isnt an absolute, there are tribes and ideals on both sides.

But people who gravitate to the GoP in America more often than not, do so out of an ideological belief in limited govt., low taxes, free enterprise, religious freedom, liberty/freedom(which includes freedom to be racist), and "morality".
The democratic party is much more group oriented. Are you a black? are you gay? are you part of a union? are you a student? are you an immigrant? are you poor? are you a pregnant teen? if so, the democratic message speaks directly to you.
Ideological concepts aren't marketed by the left(probably because of the stigma attached to govt. provision), its more of a "we will make things better for people in your demographic". A look at the post in this thread are a perfect example of it, as are the counter arguments from the right about govt. overreach and fiscal responsibility.


Just my opinion.

This is complete and utter nonsense, ignorant and incredibly offensive. Like the Republican party doesn't cater to groups like Vets, older people, the rich and the Christian right. Low taxes, defense spending (opposite of small govt. btw) and laws touting "religious freedom" aren't about making their lives better right?

Gays, Blacks and Union members don't vote Republican because of Republican ideology (bad on civil rights, disenfranchisement of black people, laws against gay marriage, dissolving unions etc). Just because you don't agree with liberal ideology doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The fact that you bring up pregnant teens is just evidence of how twisted this line of thinking is. WTF would you mention pregnant teens? They don't vote! Not to mention teen pregnancy is at a historically low level thanks in part to liberal/progressive policies like sex education and contraception programs.

GTFO with this people only vote Democratic because they want stuff bs.

 

[DrX]

yall nikkas still believe in the system....hell even cacs dont and it was made to cater to them


this why nikkas will always be @ the bottom

 

[theworldismine13]

Can't the same logic be applied to not voting at all? It giftwraps electoral wins to republicans and significantly weakens democrats who will then have to work harder to gain black support?

You're assuming a lot with this strategy

not voting? you mean like in ferguson?

 

[DEAD7]

This is complete and utter nonsense, ignorant and incredibly offensive. Like the Republican party doesn't cater to groups like Vets, older people, the rich and the Christian right. Low taxes, defense spending (opposite of small govt. btw) and laws touting "religious freedom" aren't about making their lives better right?

Gays, Blacks and Union members don't vote Republican because of Republican ideology (bad on civil rights, disenfranchisement of black people, laws against gay marriage, dissolving unions etc). Just because you don't agree with liberal ideology doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The fact that you bring up pregnant teens is just evidence of how twisted this line of thinking is. WTF would you mention pregnant teens? They don't vote! Not to mention teen pregnancy is at a historically low level thanks in part to liberal/progressive policies like sex education and contraception programs.

GTFO with this people only vote Democratic because they want stuff bs.

1. I said it isn't an absolute
2. I said "will benefit your demographic" not "give you stuff".


That's the response I expected though.