Black People Are Cowards!

Ugo Ogugwa

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some of his details were pretty much bullshyt, but his main point is very useful. ive come to accept this mixed quality from black nationalist speakers because theyre too passionate to have a clinical look at the issue, and their backgrounds are usually not from academia, or if formally educated, they come from business where you learn that messaging is more potent when focused and strong, not nuanced and matter of fact. most people are going to listen when you give them a juicy narrative with a few self serving platitudes thrown in for good measure.

that being said, the basic message is factually true, and if more black people were at least conscious of it, we would be better off to some degree.

that message in a nutshell with the BS stripped out:

1. "black people", as an ethnic group, were cultivated by whites to have a slave mentality

2. black people have consistently shown a desire and ability to control some means of production, and source of steady job creation

3. black efforts toward long term wealth building behaviors were systematically destroyed by white people at various points in our history in america

4. the result of points 1 and 3 is the condition of significant clusters of black people across the country being largely unemployable or unqualified for more lucrative opportunities

5. the result of point 4 is a culture that very likely will help keep black people in a weak position even if the efforts of steps 1 and 3 are reduced in severity

now, to whites and asians who take issue with some understandably hostile or factually wrong statements he made in those videos, you would have some right to feel that way, but you would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. the points i drew out of his speech are easily defensible with a reading of american history slightly deeper than american history 101, and just about any serious sociological study. for the politically partisan, this problem contains solutions from both the left and right paradigm, so just about everybody who loves black people should be able to get something useful from that message.

neega yeen gotta softend des shet up for des whiteboys..it is all good o..whiteboys days are numbered o..luk at 2012 election demographics...black, mexican and asian rich or poor will soon control policy in america..yes de super rich elite may stay on top but fuk dem..dey are capitalist...dey will be forced to adjust to de brown america because brown people will generate de income not des uneducated hill billy cacs...as time continues minorities will be de majority and white cacs like sensitive blake fakkit dat fail to get wit de new program will be marginalized and sonned on a daily basis by non whites..it is a great time to be a minority in america...fukk cacs!
 
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thats where we disagree. kemet fell for a reason, I have no desire to try and resurrect that culture. we were civilized way before kemet. a lot of people think ancient modern civilization is an "upgrade", but that's not the reality. These ancient modern civilizations only occurred the way they did because it was needed for that time period. I could say kemet is equally civilized to america, and the groups before kemet were equally civilized to kemet.

and back to wd fard. he was criminal? what kind of criminal? Can light not come from darkness? Is the truth only spoken by 'good' white/black people with no criminal background?

It's not the culture I want to resurrect, but the principles, the learning of the stars, the importance of scientific thought, and the ways to teach this effectively among a people. The structure of community. I don't plan on dressing up in ancient garbs going about, it's about the information.

As far as Fard, he was just a hustler like Malcolm, like many, it's about speaking the truth, its your motives behind and the twisting of truth to serve your own agenda.
 

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some of his details were pretty much bullshyt, but his main point is very useful. ive come to accept this mixed quality from black nationalist speakers because theyre too passionate to have a clinical look at the issue, and their backgrounds are usually not from academia, or if formally educated, they come from business where you learn that messaging is more potent when focused and strong, not nuanced and matter of fact. most people are going to listen when you give them a juicy narrative with a few self serving platitudes thrown in for good measure.

that being said, the basic message is factually true, and if more black people were at least conscious of it, we would be better off to some degree.

that message in a nutshell with the BS stripped out:

1. "black people", as an ethnic group, were cultivated by whites to have a slave mentality

2. black people have consistently shown a desire and ability to control some means of production, and source of steady job creation

3. black efforts toward long term wealth building behaviors were systematically destroyed by white people at various points in our history in america

4. the result of points 1 and 3 is the condition of significant clusters of black people across the country being largely unemployable or unqualified for more lucrative opportunities

5. the result of point 4 is a culture that very likely will help keep black people in a weak position even if the efforts of steps 1 and 3 are reduced in severity

now, to whites and asians who take issue with some understandably hostile or factually wrong statements he made in those videos, you would have some right to feel that way, but you would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater. the points i drew out of his speech are easily defensible with a reading of american history slightly deeper than american history 101, and just about any serious sociological study. for the politically partisan, this problem contains solutions from both the left and right paradigm, so just about everybody who loves black people should be able to get something useful from that message.

Exactly
 

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It's not the culture I want to resurrect, but the principles, the learning of the stars, the importance of scientific thought, and the ways to teach this effectively among a people. The structure of community. I don't plan on dressing up in ancient garbs going about, it's about the information.

As far as Fard, he was just a hustler like Malcolm, like many, it's about speaking the truth, its your motives behind and the twisting of truth to serve your own agenda.

thats cool. anything that you feel will benefit you and the people is good for me

As far as Master Fard goes, I don't know what proof you have if any but what he and elijah taught black people is invaluable if understood with an open mind.
 
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thats cool. anything that you feel will benefit you and the people is good for me

As far as Master Fard goes, I don't know what proof you have if any but what he and elijah taught black people is invaluable if understood with an open mind.

He has a criminal record, NOI is a gangster organization, it's nothing wrong with that, but they're out to make profits it is what it is. My biggest gripe with them is they waste the loyalty and dedication of their members.
 

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I am black and if i'm talking so reckless why do you keep dapping my every post. :loljay:


I don't say this stuff to win any popularity contests breh. These are just my personal beliefs and i don't know how you can look over the course of human history and not agree with my assessment, to some degree, no matter how controversial it sounds. White people have dominated and controlled black ppl thru violence but also better ways of thinking to outmaneuver us.

I dapped because I respect different opinions. and you don't have to be ingenious to be violent and manipulative.
 

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I'm not the most righteous person on Earth, and I don't expect any leaders to be, what I do expect is a sincere effort to better the circumstances of black people. So you can be a cheat, an addict, whatever, if you can handle the business and put together effective strategies none of that stuff matters in the big picture.

I've met members of NOI, who were good outstanding citizens and others who are straight gangsta, but I don't look at gangstas or thugs has being bad people off GP.
I also know someone, won't use names, who use to be a bodyguard in several black power movements, and the NOI are extremely gangsta when it comes to harming other blacks.
The guy Seti who does all those debates as had shoots outs with the police and the Nation of Islam, I've heard this for somebody who use to ride with him on some G shyt. so you have to understand that NOI is without a doubt a gangsta organization.

I shouldn't have said I had no respect for them, don't get it twisted, I'd ride with them against crackers any day of the week.
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I'm glad you brought up the Million Man March, this what killed the NOI in my eyes and where Farrakhan lost power as an effective leader.

This dude gather a MILLION BLACK PEOPLE, they were ready eager, they came to see what this guy had to say, they were ready for whatever, and he wasted it. And when I say whatever I don't mean anything violent, but just a course of action to build a black infrastructure in america.

NOBODY EVEN REMEMBERS A WORD HE SPOKE MAN, he obviously didn't say shyt, he obviously had no end game, he had no goal, the shyt was a big ass family reunion for the most part.

NOI they make a lot of money, their organization is impressive in that manor, what I have a problem with is not the religious rhetoric or they profited from membership, because every movement needs funds. My problem is ain't none of this resulting in relief of the people among us who need it the most.

They reason why I'm anti-religion is not because I'm athiest, because I'm not one.

When I drive through the hood the newest and most kept buildings I see are Liquor Stores, Churches, and Funeral Homes. So these are the business making the most money in the black community.

People are depressed, life is hard, so they drink to escape, the church prays upon the despair the people are suffering with hymns, and talks of Heaven, how everything will be alright after your die, while the pastor is in heaven right now, thanks to his followers. The funeral homes stay busy, because nikkaz is out drink, high and ready to die.

I bring up Kemet a lot, and try to bring it to nikkaz attention, because this where it all began not just for us, but for civilized life. This is the blueprint for black people to become a nation of ourselves.

We can win playing other people's games. We think different, we are different, we must live different.

We place are women down beneath is like the whites, like the arabs, like the asians, but this is not what our great black nation did. The mans job was secure the seat of the woman, in Kemet the black woman was the one who judge, and laid the law she was the only one fit.

We are scientific people my nikka, marriages were not just arranged, they use to take the blood of the boy and girl, and put together to see how it would react, and that's how they decided if the two were make a good match or not.

shyt gets deep man, but at the end day, all I can do is better myself and the environment around. If every capable black man can do this, it will be a start.

NOI mosques aren't booming with membership the way churches are. They don't damn near force donations the way other religious organizations do... and most of the members give more to the community than they take from it. They have a positive and good message and most importantly They are the ones that spawned the higher consciousness of urban blacks. You can't take your hate out on the NOI for what churches have done,, because first and foremost, NOI members kick knowledge. Not NOI knowledge, or Islamic knowledge, they teach universal knowledge.

I do agree that they didn't capitalize on the million man march, but I also will point out that they are the only ones who could have pulled it off.. Just like in the 50 60 70 80 90's they are the ones most responsible for transforming brothers from ignorant self destructing fools to good people - there are soooo many dudes who never joined the NOI whose life was changed by them.
On one hand you say they are basically robbing black people, but then you disrespect #1 because it's in the hood. That shows that u can't just generalize them as another church, because I live here.. the equivalent churches are huge, bring in maddd money and the leaders are rich and not regular ass nikkas who work at the plants n sh1t.
 

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thats where we disagree. kemet fell for a reason, I have no desire to try and resurrect that culture. we were civilized way before kemet. a lot of people think ancient modern civilization is an "upgrade", but that's not the reality. These ancient modern civilizations only occurred the way they did because it was needed for that time period. I could say kemet is equally civilized to america, and the groups before kemet were equally civilized to kemet.

and back to wd fard. he was criminal? what kind of criminal? Can light not come from darkness? Is the truth only spoken by 'good' white/black people with no criminal background?

Do you have a theory on why kemet fell?
And when you say we were civilized before kemet are you referring to kush, further south, or something else?
 

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We got too many motivational speakers

:usure: I think we need even more to counter the mind numbing crap that is flowing through the hood from the YMCB,rick rosses and all that other corporate sponsored buffoonery...




Anyway thanks OP + rep 5 stars
 

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Number 1 black businesses need to wor on is just showing up at the stated business hours. Stores need to be consistent. All that "I'll open whenever I get there" type mentallity kills so many of our businesses.

Then when we finally get there we act like we're doing the customer a favor by being open.

I see too many folks businesses cut down to shreds just off of this. Then wanna complain that folks don't wanna support black businesses. :ufdup:

Bottom line is alot of our shortcomings are under our control.
 

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Do you have a theory on why kemet fell?
And when you say we were civilized before kemet are you referring to kush, further south, or something else?

They allowed it to fall. being invaded by outside forces numerous times and not successfully defending it.

we were civilized way before kemet. white people's definition of civilization is having an urban environment where lots of people live and have 'upgraded' technology. why? because they weren't here long enough to know what civilization was before the time of kemet, mohenjo-daro, the mayans, catal hyuk and all these other urban ancient civilizations. aka Pre-history

Elijah Muhammad gave the following definition of civilization.

one having knowledge, wisdom, understanding, culture, refinement and is not a savage in the pursuit of happiness.

we had all this before kemet. we made tools, art, culture, shared wisdom all over the planet and most def was not a savage in the pursuit of happiness because we already had everything. We traveled the world and white people called our 'pre' history savage :wtb:. 'civilized' history in public schools either start with egypt(but not for long and miseducation everywhere) or the greeks for a reason. It's because they teach daily that white people are the evolution of man.

I already know I'm gonna have some rejects of the truth but I'm not gonna name anyone lol.
 

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Do you have a theory on why kemet fell?
And when you say we were civilized before kemet are you referring to kush, further south, or something else?



I'm not an expert on Kemet/Ancient Egypt so what I'm bout to say is pure speculation and conjecture. I would say that it fell because of jealousy, greed and corruption, inside and outside of the kingdom. I can imagine that the entire motherland was united at one point where royal bloods from various tribes were in Kemet because the Pharaohs and/or Queens married royals from other tribes. That explains why the mummies that have African DNA from basically every part of the motherland. I would say the downfall began around the Armana dynasty(King Tut, Ramses III, Queen Tiye, Nefertiti)when they were practicing incest in order to keep the blood line pure. The legend of Cleopatra probably existed... The only way a person outside of Africa to stake claim to the throne was to be, at least, part black, as no white or Arabic could make a claim. The ancient Romans were smart and probably sent the most beautiful, intelligent mixed raced woman in Rome and had her spy in order to sabotage the monarchy. Between Rome and the Ottomans, constantly being invaded and robbed sealed their fate. The modern day in upper Egypt are descendants of the Turks and Syrians who basically tried any and all evidence of black history.
 

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Didn't watch. Based on the premise of the video, he's likely a bitter negro whose state in life is the exact same as the people he's talking about. :yawn:

Edit: *reads thread*

This shyt is horrible. One star.
 
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