Black People And Capitalism DON'T Mix

[JahFocus CS]

So let me get this straight, in your mind Cuba hasn't collapsed?

In what way has Cuba collapsed? The country experienced a rough patch after the USSR collapsed but has managed an all right recovery. If Cuba collapsed, the government wouldn't be there and the economy would be basically fully privatized. Do you consider the U.S. as having collapsed given the 2008-2009 recession and its lingering effects?

 

[notPsychosiz]

Why do you have to live in one, all you have to do is open up a book and read the history of socialist countries, like ussr, china, Cuba, North Korea etc

For more recent examples you can check out Venezuela, who is led by people spouting the same exact anti capitalist rhetoric you and others are spouting in this thread and that is a country running out of toilet paper

You do realize that your anti capitalist rhetoric was already said 100 years ago by Karl Marx right? And that basically all countries that followed his ideas have collapsed or are way behind capitalist countries by most measures

You realize that the countries you named are either being interfered with by capitalist (largely western) countries or have no real problems at all.
I don't really see how being in Russia or China is a step backwards from most places around the world.
Now, again... I'm in a rare spot... cause being in Los Angeles California, USA... I am arguably in the single most desired location on earth. There are a couple other places like London, New York, etc... but its definately in the conversation.
I've been to most of the other states and I wouldn't even want to be in another city, let alone state or country... but for a person in a random city in a random country, I don't know if they would feel a sense of despair moving to Bejing or Moscow.

 

[Versa]

This is an interesting read on both sides brehs

Im not sure if anti-capitalism is the answer for us. I'm not sure if capitalism itself is bad or the racist way it is run to keep us down If all races of people had an equal and fair chance wouldn't it be a pretty good model for accumulating wealth for the black community?

 

[theworldismine13]

In what way has Cuba collapsed? The country experienced a rough patch after the USSR collapsed but has managed an all right recovery. If Cuba collapsed, the government wouldn't be there and the economy would be basically fully privatized. Do you consider the U.S. as having collapsed given the 2008-2009 recession and its lingering effects?

I consider the socialist system of Cuba collapsed when they began capitalist reforms, Castro has pretty much admitted that Cuba is not going to survive without capitalism, if Castro understands that why are you peddling something that even Castro himself has admitted doesn't work

So the question still stands why are you advocating a system that was forced to turn to capitalism to survive? Why are you promoting a system that has already been shown not to work

 

[ThaRealness]

Everything in Life is about "BALANCE" which is synonomous with "Fair". When you have a system that is pre-coded to need a production force of workers to produce to keep the system going, it cannot provide enough opportunity for these "workers" to move to the top "Level", because then it will begin to balance out the wealth, which means it can't survive in its current form.

Capitalism needs a prey in order to feed off of............It can't have everything equal, because it needs "profit" to continue to survive. This is why it is slavery by another name.

Capitalism is all about efficiency in the flow of wealth from bottom to top.Meaning the exploitation of the working class is unavoidable.

Too many people understand capitalism by its idealogy, rather then its mechanism of action

 

[JahFocus CS]

This is an interesting read on both sides brehs

Im not sure if anti-capitalism is the answer for us. I'm not sure if capitalism itself is bad or the racist way it is run to keep us down If all races of people had an equal and fair chance wouldn't it be a pretty good model for accumulating wealth for the black community?

It is and would be a good way for the Black bourgeoisie to accumulate wealth. But the masses of Afrikans would still be working class. That contradiction wouldn't go anywhere.

 

[theworldismine13]

You realize that the countries you named are either being interfered with by capitalist (largely western) countries or have no real problems at all.
I don't really see how being in Russia or China is a step backwards from most places around the world.
Now, again... I'm in a rare spot... cause being in Los Angeles California, USA... I am arguably in the single most desired location on earth. There are a couple other places like London, New York, etc... but its definately in the conversation.
I've been to most of the other states and I wouldn't even want to be in another city, let alone state or country... but for a person in a random city in a random country, I don't know if they would feel a sense of despair moving to Bejing or Moscow.

That begs the question, if western capitalist states have fuked with socialist states and brought about their demise

Why would black people adopt a system that can't compete with western capitalism?

 

[theworldismine13]

Capitalism is all about efficiency in the flow of wealth from bottom to top.

Meaning the exploitation of the working class by nature.

And capitalism is better than socialism because in socialism wealth and power end up in the hands of the government bureaucrats

Unless you come up with something better than capitalism you aren't saying anything

 

[ThaRealness]

And capitalism is better than socialism because in socialism wealth and power end up in the hands of the government bureaucrats

You'd rather have power be in the hands of corporations?

 

[theworldismine13]

You'd rather have power be in the hands of corporations?

Yes that is preferable to socialism

Have you not read the history of what happens when government controls the economic system and the political system?

 

[ThaRealness]

And capitalism is better than socialism because in socialism wealth and power end up in the hands of the government bureaucrats

Unless you come up with something better than capitalism you aren't saying anything

Bullshyt. The fact that some people just accept the idealogy of capitalism is fukked up. Know your surroundings

 

[Versa]

It is and would be a good way for the Black bourgeoisie to accumulate wealth. But the masses of Afrikans would still be working class. That contradiction wouldn't go anywhere.

Wouldn't black people having a fair shot at utilizing capitalism mean that there would be a lot more blacks being employed for high profile, black-owned jobs and money making opportuites?

 

[88m3]

You'd rather have power be in the hands of corporations?

Yes that is preferable to socialism

 

[JahFocus CS]

I consider the socialist system of Cuba collapsed when they began capitalist reforms, Castro has pretty much admitted that Cuba is not going to survive without capitalism, if Castro understands that why are you peddling something that even Castro himself has admitted doesn't work

So the question still stands why are you advocating a system that was forced to turn to capitalism to survive? Why are you promoting a system that has already been shown not to work

If you consider socialism to have collapsed in Cuba due to reforms, then capitalism in the OECD countries collapsed in the late 1800s/early 1900s with the introduction of universal education, firefighters, progressive taxation, social services, etc.?

I myself am not an advocate of state socialism. I do recognize that it can lead to important gains for the working class, though, such as improved health care, literacy, hunger eradication, etc. These are gains that have been made in many countries that adopted socialism.

However, again -- being that all these countries attempt to build an alternative economic model in a capitalist world, they are interfered with and undermined by outside powers and internal bourgeois elements. Socialism in One Country is an untenable proposition, largely due to that and also because individual countries have limited resources. What country really survives a state of autarky?

Even capitalism can't function in isolation like that. Hence why capitalist powers went around the world destroying barriers to capitalist expansion. Markets were opened up by force in the 1800s and 1900s (this still happens today -- Iraq in 2003 for example). Colonies were taken so that there would be more markets for goods -- look at the language senators used to justify the American occupation of the Philippines for example.

Capitalism is a world system and socialism would have to be, too. The working class is a global class.

 

[theworldismine13]

Bullshyt. The fact that some people just accept the idealogy of capitalism is fukked up. Know your surroundings

Yeah so like I said you aren't really saying anything, it's like democracy, there are a lot of things bad about capitalism but it's basically not as bad as other systems, that's it's main claim to fame