Black People And Capitalism DON'T Mix

[JahFocus CS]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism

If you read my post, my thought experiment moved from a condition of "anarcho-capitalism" to a state, to show that capitalism does, in fact, require a state, if you want it to have any sort of longevity.

"Anarcho-capitalism" is the one of the biggest intellectual farces ever. with this Ayn Rand garbage.

 

[MewTwo]

 

[theworldismine13]

Let me quote to you a Bishop Missionary from France back in 1791, who basically tells their National Assembly, similar to what "Congress" is today, as to why it would be destructive to France or any part of Europe to end the slave trade and free the slave(workers)....

‘If you were to lose each year more than 200 million lives that you now
get from your colonies; if you had not the exclusive trade with your
colonies to feed your manufactures, to maintain your navy, lo keep your
agriculture going, to repay for your imports, to provide for your luxury
needs, to advantageously balance your trade with Europe and Asia, then I
say it clearly, the kingdom would be irretrievably lost.’

Bishop Maury (of France) : Argument
against France’s ending the slave
trade and giving freedom to its slave colonies.

i have no idea what point you are trying to make, im not making a pro slavery argument and i wasnt suggesting europeans did not enrich themselves from its african colonies

what im saying is that its not the europeans responsibility to develop africa, the responsibility lies with africans

 

[DEAD7]

We're speaking on what is reality in America, not what capitalism should be in theory, the reality is that capitalism in our country has led rise to corporatism. You cannot have corporatism without capitalism first, and the nature of people ie. greed will almost always lead to an abuse of capitalism.

Well, well, well, now greed is inherent... would you look at that.
Anywho, I agree, but i'm not arguing that, i'm arguing that you can have capitalism without the cronyism/corporatism. You just need a state incapable of choosing winners and losers, and distorting competition. Will it be perfect not by any measurement, but it will be better than current alternatives.

Uh, historically capitalism has been a system used to fukk over black people, I genuinely don't care about how much wealth and power it's generated when the overwhelming majority of people with that wealth and power are white If you're not filthy rich, wealth and power shouldn't be something you use as a testament to capitalism.

capitalism has zero to do with racism, which is what you are referring to.

 

[Medicate]

and whose responsibility is for fixing it?

if africa is underdeveloped its because africans didnt develop it, its africans that underdeveloped africa not europeans

So what do you call Colonialism and slavery, which was a direct rape and theft of people and resources. Both of these elements is what built up Europe and Amerikkka.

And even when colonialism ended, puppets were put into place to maintain the status quo. Capitalism itself requires Africa to survive, its how it was built up.

You've heard of "Blood Diamonds" You should know that it also should be a term called "Blood Auto", "Blood Computers", "Blood Cell Phones"...ect ect ect.

If it wasn't for Rubber and Coltan found specifically in The Congo and Liberia, Europe and Amerikkka would be in the Stone age.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Well, well, well, now greed is inherent... would you look at that.
Anywho, I agree, but i'm not arguing that, i'm arguing that you can have capitalism without the cronyism/corporatism. You just need a state incapable of choosing winners and losers, and distorting competition. Will it be perfect not by any measurement, but it will be better than current alternatives.





capitalism has zero to do with racism, which it what you are referring to.

Elements of the bourgeoisie with more resources and power will always steer the state apparatus to favor its interests. With every policy enacted, there are winners and losers, and it reflects the balance of power within the bourgeoisie and between the bourgeoisie and the working class. It isn't possible to have a state incapable of choosing winners and losers.

And at capitalism having zero to do with racism. Seriously? They have everything to do with each other. The concept of whiteness itself was given so much power in order to divide opposition to the ruling class, who were white in the colonial/slavery era and still overwhelmingly are. Give poor whites a stake in the system to create an army that will go to bat for your power in society

 

[Mr Uncle Leroy]

Once one problems of the past current and future have been identified, its time to make progress and solutions into creative solutions which solves inherent bias/problems and doubt from decades/centuries of bias, AND time to re-educate the minds and masses of people of color and counterparts that the time has come for change. AND time for people of color to train and CREATE their own financial pathway which co-exists within their communities and across their own communities and ADAPT into a variety of collectives.

I do know of a group of people who are putting together something in the future. So one must only have an open mind, and creative contributions in the adaptive process.

 

[theworldismine13]

So what do you call Colonialism and slavery, which was a direct rape and theft of people and resources. Both of these elements is what built up Europe and Amerikkka.

And even when colonialism ended, puppets were put into place to maintain the status quo. Capitalism itself requires Africa to survive, its how it was built up.

You've heard of "Blood Diamonds" You should know that it also should be a term called "Blood Auto", "Blood Computers", "Blood Cell Phones"...ect ect ect.

If it wasn't for Rubber and Coltan found specifically in The Congo and Liberia, Europe and Amerikkka would be in the Stone age.

yeah im fully aware of the history of colonialism and slavery and im saying at the end of the day africans are responsible for developing african not europeans

and the way to develop africa is through capitalism, africans have not adopted capitalism and that is why africa is behind other continents

 

[Malta]

Well, well, well, now greed is inherent... would you look at that.
Anywho, I agree, but i'm not arguing that, i'm arguing that you can have capitalism without the cronyism/corporatism. You just need a state incapable of choosing winners and losers, and distorting competition. Will it be perfect not by any measurement, but it will be better than current alternatives.

I never once implied that greed wasn't inherent, it's just that capitalism is to greed what spinach is to Popeye

You can do a lot of things in theory, the issue is that the things you're saying capitalism can have is not what I see on a day to day basis therefore I don't care what it could be in theory. Stop talking about what it could be, and start talking about what it has lead to in the US.

capitalism has zero to do with racism, which it what you are referring to.

At one point we were a free labor force and you're really trying to say capitalism has nothing to do with the treatment of black people? come on.

 

[Medicate]

i have no idea what point you are trying to make, im not making a pro slavery argument and i wasnt suggesting europeans did not enrich themselves from its african colonies

what im saying is that its not the europeans responsibility to develop africa, the responsibility lies with africans

Then you are clearly an Indoctrinated fool.

Let me ask you hypothetically.

Lets say you and your family lived next to another family. You became enemies. One day, the other family invades your home and takes you away and you disappear for good, the main resource and producer for the family, then that means your family will fall off for a significant time period until it can get back on its feet. Now lets say they continue to fck with your family, even after you're gone, stealing from it, causing internal problems within, so that your family cannot get stable again.

There 100 millions of Africans taken breh for centuries and killed off. They've continually been raped over and over again by outside forces and planted puppets to continue the status quo.

All in the name of Europe's and Amerikkka's Capitalist adventure and its rubbed off so much that now you indoctrinated zombies think its the only system required to survive. The cac has kicked us so hard, we look for gratification in a system he created by breaking you in the first place.

 

[theworldismine13]

Then you are clearly an Indoctrinated fool.

Let me ask you hypothetically.

Lets say you and your family lived next to another family. You became enemies. One day, the other family invades your home and takes you away and you disappear for good, the main resource and producer for the family, then that means your family will fall off for a significant time period until it can get back on its feet. Now lets say they continue to fck with your family, even after you're gone, stealing from it, causing internal problems within, so that your family cannot get stable again.

There 100 millions of Africans taken breh for centuries and killed off. They've continually been raped over and over again by outside forces and planted puppets to continue the status quo.

All in the name of Europe's and Amerikkka's Capitalist adventure and its rubbed off so much that now you indoctrinated zombies think its the only system required to survive. The cac has kicked us so hard, we look for gratification in a system he created by breaking you in the first place.

and im saying that in your scenario i would find out where that other family got the weapons and the money to attack my family and then copy it, that is what africans should do

capitalism is the key for africans to come back from slavery and colonialism, because capitalism the key to accumulating wealth

 

[Medicate]

yeah im fully aware of the history of colonialism and slavery and im saying at the end of the day africans are responsible for developing african not europeans

and the way to develop africa is through capitalism, africans have not adopted capitalism and that is why africa is behind other continents

Africans don't need Capitalism to develop. We were developing just fine before the european. Its called naturally evolving.

The white man has put in your mind that this selfish and greedy system created upon slavery and that recycles slaves is the only way to naturally develop and prosper.

That's like you saying the white man is the only one with a Brain. When he is the only one without a soul.

Development and evolving does not require that you crush someone else to lift yourself and maintain yourself. That's capitalism's mentality and mode of operation. And no surprise that the mode of Capitalism is like the mind of a slave master. And if there is a slave master then their will always be a slave. You just don't see it.

 

[theworldismine13]

Africans don't need Capitalism to develop. We were developing just fine before the european. Its called naturally evolving.

The white man has put in your mind that this selfish and greedy system created upon slavery and that recycles slaves is the only way to naturally develop and prosper.

That's like you saying the white man is the only one with a Brain. When he is the only one without a soul.

Development and evolving does not require that you crush someone else to lift yourself and maintain yourself. That's capitalism's mentality and mode of operation. And no surprise that the mode of Capitalism is like the mind of a slave master. And if there is a slave master then their will always be a slave. You just don't see it.

africa wasnt developing fine, africa was way behind that is why they got conquered by europeans, if they were developing fine they would not have gotten conquered so easily

i never said that development and evolving requires that you crush someone, that is just some bullshyt Marxist propaganda you are trying to spread

 

[Medicate]

Well, well, well, now greed is inherent... would you look at that.
Anywho, I agree, but i'm not arguing that, i'm arguing that you can have capitalism without the cronyism/corporatism. You just need a state incapable of choosing winners and losers, and distorting competition. Will it be perfect not by any measurement, but it will be better than current alternatives.





capitalism has zero to do with racism, which it what you are referring to.

The current state of Capitalism definitely intertwine's Racism within its core. It may not be it's core principle, but it has developed into that due to its present day evolvement out of slavery and colonialism.

One small example of this can be found back in 2008, via the Sub Prime Mortgage scheme/crisis fiasco.

Here's your Zero to do with "racism":

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/07/us/07baltimore.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[DEAD7]

I never once implied that greed wasn't inherent, it's just that capitalism is to greed what spinach is to Popeye

You can do a lot of things in theory, the issue is that the things you're saying capitalism can have is not what I see on a day to day basis therefore I don't care what it could be in theory. Stop talking about what it could be, and start talking about what it has lead to in the US.








At one point we were a free labor force and you're really trying to say capitalism has nothing to do with the treatment of black people? come on.

Free market capitalism(anarcho) has never been fully realized, nor has real socialism(worker owned means of production), so the entire debate is over theory.
In reality socialism has been rejected in favor of capitalism for [insert the reason you prefer] time and time again. Once capitalism has produced sufficient wealth socialist policies have been successfully* implemented... and thats the reality of it.

As for black people, economic systems are colorless, and the idea that they can favor a skin color is silly. What you are describing necessarily requires a state.
For real world reference, slavery and colonization predate every economic model we know today, so attributing them to one is silly.