Black/Minority Women Goin' Against White Feminists On Twitter :lupe:
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Power is complex. It doesn't have a single seat. And I'm sorry, but white men don't control Black institutions in Black communities. At that point you don't want to accept Black responsibility for anything.
Of course Lebron has some power, just like some women rise up to a position where they have some power, but most players don't have Lebron's power, and most women similarly don't have the power of the few who make it to the higher levels.
That's not necessarily true, but assuming it was, that still doesn't mean they have more power than the people at the top or more responsibility for their situation. By that standard, Black communities are more responsible for their own social problems than white supremacy, since the cops and white authority figures are outnumbered by the Black residents. I don't accept those conservative standards because they assume that numbers = power, and that the power of numbers outweighs the raw power of money and institutional authority, which is not really the case worldwide in any similar situation. And you can certainly say that Black men in the Church, in Politics, and elsewhere sometimes actively prevent women from achieving equality. In fact, I posted an article about the church some posts ago that specifically talked about how Black church leaders ensnare and suppress women within that social sphere.
You're starting to contradict yourself here as well. First, you say that white men control all power in Black communities and maintain all social control, then on the other hand, you say that women have all the power they need to rise up.
Behavior is behavior?
I'm sorry, but this is a poor argument. You've generalized to the point that you aren't saying anything at all. Anything can be defined as "behavior," and anything can be defined as "differing treatment." I live in the real world, where we classify behaviors and deal with them according to the category in which they belong and how they affect individuals and society.They would be, if that privilege were granted under equal circumstances. The loan argument is one in which I'd agree with you. If Black women accept those loans without protesting for their Black male counterparts, then there is a problem. The other examples are invalid. Black women don't "accept" education- they just achieve, whereas Black men don't to the same extent, for a variety of reasons which have nothing to do with women's power (Black women aren't the ones locking up Black men, profiling them, killing them, etc.) Achieving education is not a privilege- it's something that those Black women earn, since they come from the same demographics as the Black men and attend the same schools. Sentences are also not "accepted"- you get what the judge gives you. This is very different from a male candidate accepting employment over a more qualified female candidate, or accepting higher pay than an otherwise equal female co-worker, or accepting the sexist double standard that valorizes men for sleeping around but demonizes women for it.
Link 1: This is because most elementary school teachers- the authority figures in the classroom context- are female. That is a situation in which there is clearly bias against male students. Of course, by your strange logic, that doesn't matter, since the male students can just rise up, since they outnumber the teachers, so it's really their fault for not using their power.
Link 2: I already addressed this in my arguments to DaChampIsHere. Please see my response to him posting that same study.
Link 3: I already acknowledged this as well. Just because one, specific demographic of Black women (young, single, childless) is outearning men in a few cities, doesn't mean national problems aren't still national problems. That may change in the future, but right now, that is not reflective of the male-female dynamic in Black communities as a whole. I'm not sure why you point out this stuff as if it disproves what I'm saying. My argument is the only one here with nuance. You and the others are looking at this from a black and white, completely one-sided perspective.
As for the salary question- again, I already addressed that. In most Black-owned institutions, Black men do indeed have institutional power over the salaries of their female employees.
Power is complex. It doesn't have a single seat. And I'm sorry, but white men don't control Black institutions in Black communities. At that point you don't want to accept Black responsibility for anything.
Of course Lebron has some power, just like some women rise up to a position where they have some power, but most players don't have Lebron's power, and most women similarly don't have the power of the few who make it to the higher levels.
That's not necessarily true, but assuming it was, that still doesn't mean they have more power than the people at the top or more responsibility for their situation. By that standard, Black communities are more responsible for their own social problems than white supremacy, since the cops and white authority figures are outnumbered by the Black residents. I don't accept those conservative standards because they assume that numbers = power, and that the power of numbers outweighs the raw power of money and institutional authority, which is not really the case worldwide in any similar situation. And you can certainly say that Black men in the Church, in Politics, and elsewhere sometimes actively prevent women from achieving equality. In fact, I posted an article about the church some posts ago that specifically talked about how Black church leaders ensnare and suppress women within that social sphere.
You're starting to contradict yourself here as well. First, you say that white men control all power in Black communities and maintain all social control, then on the other hand, you say that women have all the power they need to rise up.
Behavior is behavior?
They would be, if that privilege were granted under equal circumstances. The loan argument is one in which I'd agree with you. If Black women accept those loans without protesting for their Black male counterparts, then there is a problem. The other examples are invalid. Black women don't "accept" education- they just achieve, whereas Black men don't to the same extent, for a variety of reasons which have nothing to do with women's power (Black women aren't the ones locking up Black men, profiling them, killing them, etc.) Achieving education is not a privilege- it's something that those Black women earn, since they come from the same demographics as the Black men and attend the same schools. Sentences are also not "accepted"- you get what the judge gives you. This is very different from a male candidate accepting employment over a more qualified female candidate, or accepting higher pay than an otherwise equal female co-worker, or accepting the sexist double standard that valorizes men for sleeping around but demonizes women for it.
Link 1: This is because most elementary school teachers- the authority figures in the classroom context- are female. That is a situation in which there is clearly bias against male students. Of course, by your strange logic, that doesn't matter, since the male students can just rise up, since they outnumber the teachers, so it's really their fault for not using their power.
Link 2: I already addressed this in my arguments to DaChampIsHere. Please see my response to him posting that same study.
Link 3: I already acknowledged this as well. Just because one, specific demographic of Black women (young, single, childless) is outearning men in a few cities, doesn't mean national problems aren't still national problems. That may change in the future, but right now, that is not reflective of the male-female dynamic in Black communities as a whole. I'm not sure why you point out this stuff as if it disproves what I'm saying. My argument is the only one here with nuance. You and the others are looking at this from a black and white, completely one-sided perspective.
As for the salary question- again, I already addressed that. In most Black-owned institutions, Black men do indeed have institutional power over the salaries of their female employees.
Ok I'm done you're right. It's ok to judge men due to behavioral tendencies, but it's wrong when you do that to women. And black men are oppressing black women through sexism. But when sexism results in privilege for black women there's a bunch of caveats in the way that make it so they aren't oppressing black men.
Glad we got that cleared up
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Ok I'm done you're right. It's ok to judge men due to behavioral tendencies, but it's wrong when you do that to women. And black men are oppressing black women through sexism. But when sexism results in privilege for black women there's a bunch of caveats in the way that make it so they aren't oppressing black men.
Glad we got that cleared up
I never said that it's ok to only judge men due to behavioral tendencies. I said it's ok to judge some behavioral tendencies different than others, regardless of who does them. Men OR women taking pregnancy/childbirth leave is not the same thing as men OR women committing violent crime or having guns and being profiled for it. That's how the real world works.
As for the rest of that simplistic rhetoric, it's almost as if you haven't read anything I posted. You obviously didn't read any of the research, at least. Yes, Black men contribute to sexism against Black women. And yes, there are sectors of society in which Black women have advantages over Black men, and even contribute to their disadvantages. The difference is that overall, Black women hold much less social power for the moment in most Black institutions, so the advantages they do have don't add up to a comprehensive array of privileges the way Black men's do.
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Black men/women followed by privilege? In the same sentence? In this country? That's a oxymoron
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^ I think this pic was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. When I saw this shyt I was so flabbergasted...
White feminism is a distraction for black women.
I'm still mad that some black women had to essentially kill the momentum of this tag and start the "blackpowerisforblackmen" bullshyt.
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^ I think this pic was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. When I saw this shyt I was so flabbergasted...
White feminism is a distraction for black women.
I'm still mad that some black women had to essentially kill the momentum of this tag and start the "blackpowerisforblackmen" bullshyt.
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this thread again? that's a lot of reading brehs 
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Well she's white Arab so....when you see her and yr with a white girl just hit her with that
And I'm a straight woman so...