Black British comedian talks about African Americans

[NvrCMyNut]

I couldnt see what he said that was wrong. Let's face it: Eddy Murphy said far worse sh!t about africans in "RAW" than this dude said i his comedy. It seems to be just another case o fpeople who can dish it but cant take it

But the reality is some African Americans do talk that "black black" sh!t all the time. Ive experience it myself when this black chick i used to study with told me something similar when someone said they revoked my black card and i asked her what does me not knowing what a funnel cake was have to do with being black. And she said...and i quote: "but you're not black, tho. Arent you from another country? I mean you're black but not 'black black'. Just having black skin donnt make you black"
Had me like

Granted i understand what she meant because in the United States the term "black" has always referenced black americans. I hear black americans all the time say "Nah he not black he's african". But these are the same people who wanna be mad at big papi saying "i'm not black im dominican". Essentially he was using the same term/language people here tend to use but he got sh!tted on for it.
I grew up in a country that is well over 90% black and the rest are mulattoes. Ive always known i am black from as far back as i can remember. It took for me to move to the United States for me to all the sudden find out that my blackness is somehow lacking.

 

[NYC Warrior]

I aint even see how he dissed us to be honest. It wasn't funny but there was nothing insulting about it.

Anything sets yall sensitive ass nikkas off.

 

[intruder]

I aint even see how he dissed us to be honest. It wasn't funny but there was nothing insulting about it.

Anything sets yall sensitive ass nikkas off.

Exactly!

Like i said in my post some mofos can dish it but cannot take it. Black american comedian poke fun of everyone and we all laugh it off. I know i do. Hell just listen to Eddie Murphy "Raw" and everyone laughs at the part about the african women. But let someone else say something about african americans and they're automatically labeled c00ns and racists and God know what.

 

[Dushane Hill]

Another thread showing us that AA's are quite possibly the most ignorant people on earth and hate the fact that their are black people in other developed western countries for some reason.

Guys are mad as hell in here.

 

[Dushane Hill]

I'm not gonna try and "spin" anything, because again you're being emotional and taking out all your hurt and frustration out on me. I'm not into dikk measuring contests. You're whole entire post is filled with nothing but animosity, resentment and hostility and then you seriously wonder why you're attracting the same type of energy from people that you're clearly giving out. Whoever said all that ignorant bullshyt to you, you need to take that up with them. I've had ignorant muthfukkas from all backgrounds say ignorant shyt to me about my people, so what?

One minute we look down on and hate you so much, next minute we're ass kissing and idolising AAs. Which is it? You clearly have your own negative perceptions of us, so what's the difference? Those stereotypes about AAs come from cacs. They say Americans are fat and lazy, violent etc. Well, don't we (brits including blacks) all have bad, yellow teeth? Aren't we all ugly? Aren't we all soft? Aren't we all cultureless and worthless according to some posters on here? Don't we all speak like Prince Charles? Etc etc?

I'm not playing dumb at all. For the record, I have blood family members in the states three generations deep who are just as American as you are.

We don't reach out? Umar Johnson, Irritated Genie and many other modern leaders and groups have strong ties to British Pan African and pro black groups. Even Tariq Nasheed who this board hates has connections over here who I'm hopefully going to be seeing when he does a lecture with my family friend Robin Walker. The mere fact that your leaders have created strong ties with those of us here and that we have similar organisations is proof alone that we do "reach out".

The fact you claim that the British don't support you shows your fukking ignorance and if you BOTHERED to do your damn research you would see that's not the case. Example:





There's many AAs who have a connection to black folks here as well as the rest of europe and worldwide, speak for yourself. Just because YOU don't like us doesn't mean there aren't AAs who don't identify with us. Look up Titans TV on youtube. Kalem El(sp?) has the respect of the Pan African/ concsious community in the states and all over.

This isn't a contest to see who has suffered more. Did you cry for Stephen Lawrence (his mother actually connected with Trayvon's mother and took her to the very street her son got killed, look it up)? For Anthony Walker? Did you cry over the 13 young black children who were massacred in the 1981 fire during a house party that even our own media didn't give a fukk about and blamed us for? Did you cry over Mark Duggan who got shot by the police in 2011? Others who have been killed in police custody? Those of us who are over represented in mental health institutions? Our struggles and insurrections have changed laws over here which other racial groups have "piggybacked" and taken advantage of and benefited from, just like in the states.

Am I to blame for the atrocities AA suffer? I have family on both sides of the Atlantic who were beaten and locked up for damn near no reason at all. If I was standing on the same street corner as you anywhere in the states I'm just as likely to get my head blown off as you would, white supremacy doesn't give a fukk about my accent or where I was born. I'm just as nappy headed and melanated as you probably are.

Black Britons have ALWAYS looked up to AAs. ALWAYS. We know what your contributions have been and have always identified with it.

You say:

As far am I'm concerned black people only exist in the America until I see receipts about what these non American Africans are doing to fight racism.

Wow....

Just admit you hate us and leave it at that. It's really that simple. You have your mind made up and I'm not gonna try and change it. Thankfully every AA doesn't think like you. Neither does every black brit think like the ones you've spoken to that have had a bad effect on you. When I go to America, I get nothing but love for the most part and always diss cacs from here and the states. Cacs don't give a fukk about any of us regardless and don't want any of us to exist. That's the reality.

As far as what we've done, I'm not going to do the research for you. The information is out there. There's books like Black Britain and Staying Power which goes into huge depth about our own civil rights movements and struggles in this country and our contributions spanning back hundreds of years.

Strong post.

 

[intruder]

Kaaris



Les singes viennent de sortir du zoo! Shout to the Paris brehs.

This track was banging but Kaaris has disappointed me a few times when he's had dope production but failed to deliver adequate lyrics. AMG-63 is the ultimate example. THe track is dope but i felt he could have done much better with the lyrics

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I couldnt see what he said that was wrong. Let's face it: Eddy Murphy said far worse sh!t about africans in "RAW" than this dude said i his comedy. It seems to be just another case o fpeople who can dish it but cant take it

But the reality is some African Americans do talk that "black black" sh!t all the time. Ive experience it myself when this black chick i used to study with told me something similar when someone said they revoked my black card and i asked her what does me not knowing what a funnel cake was have to do with being black. And she said...and i quote: "but you're not black, tho. Arent you from another country? I mean you're black but not 'black black'. Just having black skin donnt make you black"
Had me like

She didn't mean that you weren't black..she meant you were not afram.

Granted i understand what she meant because in the United States the term "black" has always referenced black americans.

It's the name aframs gave themselves but the term "black" came to be anyone regardless of ethnic background of african descent

I hear black americans all the time say "Nah he not black he's african". But these are the same people who wanna be mad at big papi saying "i'm not black im dominican". Essentially he was using the same term/language people here tend to use but he got sh!tted on for it.
I grew up in a country that is well over 90% black and the rest are mulattoes. Ive always known i am black from as far back as i can remember. It took for me to move to the United States for me to all the sudden find out that my blackness is somehow lacking.

Nope. It's not the same logic at all. If an afram tells a jamaican that they aren't "Black", they are not talking racially. They mean ethnically speaking, the person wasn't afram but that they are still "black" racially. When a Dominican says "me no black papi", they mean that most of the times in a racial sense.

 

[MikeyC]

did you not see the House docu I posted?





you must not be living in it then...

watch those docus and listen to where does Brit say their music came from

If you need to watch a documentary or read a book to understand where Garage/Grime comes from, your opinion on it is invalid.

And yet here you are...On the coli...An American web forum geared towards AA culture.

Must be fun to lie to yourself I guess.

What are you on about?

Difference between me and these nikkaz is that I've never dismissed my appreciation for AA culture.

African American population: 40 MILLION.
Black British population: 1,148,738 (PALTRY)

Black British population: 3,154,913

Your biggest actors/actresses have to come to America

British women ain't that great... Italians/Portuguese/Cypriots got you beat

Grime died and now comin back to life...but ya own cacs won't even let you in the Brit Awards

Accents sound yardie as f*ck

Nobody knows who Lenny Henry is outside ya island......

• They have, and completely washed your actors in their own back yard
• Come to London, and you'll find bad Italian/Portuguese/Cypriot chicks, and then some
• Of course, cos our street music is still scary to them, unlike that pacified, commodified shyt you lot pass as rap nowdays
  
• Dun Kno
• And fukk a Lenny Henry. Apart from that Red Nose day, don't nobody give a fukk about man.

The responses in this thread from non African Americans are SO typical. You piggyback on our struggle, (like everyone else) feast on our culture, emulate us, post on forums dedicated to our art... all while you patronize, insult & turn up your collective noses at us. All things considered, the story of African Americans is one for the books & unparalleled in the diaspora.

African diaspora:

Brazil 96,795,294

United States 42,020,743

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Im legit that uk brehs think grime doesnt fall under the umbrella of rap/hip hop

Its like saying water isnt wet

Of course to someone unfamiliar with the culture will think that Garage/Jungle MCing comes from Hip Hop. No doubt, there are undeniable American influences in the imagery and asthetics of Grime but i'm sorry to disappoint you, mate, it comes directly from Jamaican toasting and DeeJays.

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[IllmaticDelta]

If you need to watch a documentary or read a book to understand where Garage/Grime comes from, your opinion on it is invalid.

I didn't need to a watch a docu for anything when I can hear it with my own ears. The docus just further prove and back my points and opinions since it's the actual pioneers speaking about the origins of those genres.

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Of course to someone unfamiliar with the culture will think that Garage/Jungle MCing comes from Hip Hop. No doubt, there are undeniable American influences in the imagery and asthetics of Grime but i'm sorry to disappoint you, mate, it comes directly from Jamaican toasting and DeeJays.

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..and who do you think influenced them?

 

[intruder]

She didn't mean that you weren't black..she meant you were not afram.

It's the name aframs gave themselves but the term "black" came to be anyone regardless of ethnic background of african descent

Again doggy i know what she meant.
It's just funny to me how some black americans just seem to take the term "black" as if they have exclusive ownership of it and other are just borrowing it.

What sometimes annoys the fukk out of me when some black americans stand there in amazement when hearing another black speak a language thats not english or have a different accent. As if the american english accent is the native accent/language of blacks. Nothing exotic about me speaking french. We're both speaking our european masters' languages. Granted, it has gotten me a lot of p*ssy over the years with black americans chicks wanting me to speak french to them while fukking them and all . But the truth is it should not surprise you or astonish you to see another black man speak a language different than yours. Granted as a child i felt the same way too the first timei visited America and saw a black person speak english. But again, grown fukkin men and women out of HS should be past that

Nope. It's not the same logic at all. If an afram tells a jamaican that they aren't "Black", they are not talking racially. They mean ethnically speaking, the person wasn't afram but that they are still "black" racially. When a Dominican says "me no black papi", they mean that most of the times in a racial sense.

That's how YOU interpret it. But i also understand that Dominicans can sometimes be on some other sh!t in terms of their racial identity so i'll give you some lee way

 

[Dushane Hill]

The same ones that will complain all day long about racist new outlets and TV shows portraying AAs negatively and reporting black crime as if that represents the whole, yet the same people will then turn around and take their frustration out on us and other black groups. .

Ever since I started posting on here I've noticed this, don't get it at all.

Half of em are bryson tiller lookalikes and are not conscious or socially aware. Way too many c00ns here.

Here you described the majority of AA's that have posted in this thread.

All this c00n talk yet a large number of police officers in America are AA......arresting, killing and oppressing other AA's.

Theres probably about 10 black police officers in the whole of the UK.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Again doggy i know what she meant.
It's just funny to me how some black americans just seem to take the term "black" as if they have exclusive ownership of it and other are just borrowing it.

To be honest, this actually is the casebefore Aframs self identified that way and it spread around the world with the the Black Power mvmt, no other Afro people identfied as "black".

What sometimes annoys the fukk out of me when some black americans stand there in amazement when hearing another black speak a language thats not english or have a different accent. As if the american english accent is the native accent/language of blacks. Nothing exotic about me speaking french. We're both speaking our european masters' languages. Granted, it has gotten me a lot of p*ssy over the years with black americans chicks wanting me to speak french to them while fukking them and all . But the truth is it should not surprise you or astonish you to see another black man speak a language different than yours. Granted as a child i felt the same way too the first timei visited America and saw a black person speak english. But again, grown fukkin men and women out of HS should be past that

I don't think they're amazed by it. Hearing or seeing a black person with a carib or african accent will not get any reactions from an Afram. Now, seeing a black person speak French or Spanish , at first might get the reaction but it won't last that long.

That's how YOU interpret it.

That's how I know it because we know how they identify in their own country

But i also understand that Dominicans can sometimes be on some other sh!t in terms of their racial identity so i'll give you some lee way

Race and Dominicanness: A struggle for identity

In following decades the need for manual labor increased, and the Europeans looked to Africa for the cheap labor that would bring wealth to their empires. As the African populations grew, and misogyny became the norm, so did a colonial model for the racial classification of these new “breeds” of people. Children born from mixed relations were classified according the percentage of their blood that was “pure,” i.e. European. Terms like criollo, metizo, trigueno, mulato, indio, havao, or cuarteron, amongst others, measured purity amongst mixed people, and created a value system amongst those with mixed ancestry. With the evolution of the classification systems, and justification for the slave practices that fueled colonial economies, Africans were deemed to be inferior, even considered as sub-human beings, therefore anything that had, or seemed African, was not acceptable. Accordingly, praise was given to those born of European descent, and this became the idealized concept towards which future generations would look to as an example for identity. It was the European model, not the prevalent African model of identity, which would eventually be desired, and this has come to be reflected in the Dominican Republic today. Even Taino heritage, which itself had been diluted over many decades, was elevated to a somewhat critical representation of identity, all in response to the continued ‘Africanization’ of the island, which was in stark contrast of the European standards of beauty. Even if one couldn’t “be” European, you could at least be indio, since as a last recourse it wasn’t black, it wasn’t African. According to popular author Michele Wucker it was in “Mourning his [Enriquillo’s] demise and celebrating his legacy, Dominicans resurrected the past, and constructed a Taino-influenced ancestry to explain their color. Today, mulatto and Black Dominicans call themselves Indio, and they say that their color is dark like that of Indians, but different in quality from African skins.

With these assertions we better understand how Dominicans view themselves. In Enriquillo Dominicans saw the image of a great man. He was, “a heroic Indian who put peace with Spain above alliance with black slaves.” In these statements we see the creation of the Dominican image being drawn out from the myth of Enriquillo, to describe themselves as anything but African. Through Enriquillo’s legend Dominicans interpreted a respect towards Spain, all the while, they reflected on his unwillingness to support the runaway Africans, which they too became unwilling to support, and reveled in his warrior status as a hero, which they too wanted to emulate. He was a strong Christian man, who above anything else wasn’t black; he was ‘Indio.’ Though the physical presence of the Indio died out almost immediately after the initial Spanish presence, replaced by the intermixing with Africans and Europeans, the presence of the Indio in the Dominican psyche, as a way to understand themselves, is still at the core of the Dominican identity today.

Adding to the ill-defined concepts of race and identity are the strides made by Rafael Leonidas Trujillo, and his campaign of Blanquismo. Trujillo, through violent action and political policy, shaped the Dominican landscape of racial identity, continuously championing Eurocentricity over Africanism, and by default supporting the Indio heritage. In his 30 years in power Trujillo was efficient in his policies of Blanquismo, making great strides to resolve the racial disparities of the island. In 1937 he ordered the systematic massacre of close to 20,000 Haitians, though some estimates place this figure higher. Trujillo’s reasons for this act were obvious, but his main justification was that it was in retaliation for the Haitian government’s support for Dominican exiles trying to overthrow him. Eventually Trujillo allowed entrance to the Dominican Republic of Jewish refugees fleeing Europe, and Republican exiles from the Spanish Civil war, as an attempt to “lighten the race.” Moreover, Trujillo declared Merengue the national music of the Dominican Republic, and had the music and dance subsequently modeled after the European Waltz, a cultural manifestation of his wish to make his country appear more European, at least on the surface.

Race and Dominicanness in the Dominican Republic

 

[K.O.N.Y]

Of course to someone unfamiliar with the culture will think that Garage/Jungle MCing comes from Hip Hop. No doubt, there are undeniable American influences in the imagery and asthetics of Grime but i'm sorry to disappoint you, mate, it comes directly from Jamaican toasting and DeeJays.

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I just binged watch Grime music on youtube to try and come into an understanding of what your saying
And im still if placed anywhere, it would be placed under hip hop period

you gotta be trolling

 

[Falcozer]

cape verdeans and Dominicans up there too imo.

But I ain't a c00n tho

 

[intruder]

To be honest, this actually is the casebefore Aframs self identified that way and it spread around the world with the the Black Power mvmt, no other Afro people identfied as "black".

WHat do you mean no other afro people identified as black????

So if not black tell me what were were identifying ouserlves as, doggy ?
Since the dawn of time in Haiti it has been you're either black, mulatto or white. PERIOD. African Americans werent the first to claim "black and proud". We can go back as early as the late 1700s. I'll use Haiti as an example because it's home for me.

THe original flag in 1803 (way before your black power movement) was red and black . Black = Black people and Red = Mulattos. Dessalines being a black man made it a point to put to black part of the flag on the LEFT. The significance behind is that the blacks which was were overwhelming majority should always be in control of the country this being the color thats on the side of the mast/poll. THis was later changed by Petion who put the red to the left since he himself was a mulattto. in 1964 Duvalier again changed it back to black and red with the black part on the poll.
So you tell me again when African Americans had to tell us we were black and take pride while exclusively speaking the white man's language and practicing is religion.