"Black America for Immigration Reform" was founded by a race-baiting white Trump official

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All these articles just amount to the same BS the detractors have been spewing for years.

"Why does ADOS want to become APART of the empire instead of fighting the power?"(while in that same article, detracting ADOS for their lack of political saviness and for being against mainstream candiates.)

"Why does ADOS so hyperfocused on reperations instead of other practical ideas that can help EVERYONE! We need a big TENT!"(While calling themselves the Black Agenda, and not addressing how other groups want policies that are hyper-specific to what their ethnic group is going through while not being told to choose between the practical and the "fantastical" ideas)

"We tried the whole reperations push already, and it FAILED! We got symbolic pan-africanism that didn't amount to much of anything"(No crap! Symbolic Pan-Africanism is what they're trying to get people AWAY from)

"We NEED Non-BLK ppl to get on board, and the push for reperations doens't seem practical for non-BLKs to get on board with"(While being ok with telling Black-Americans to get on board with everyone else's joint issues, and inevitably, other groups specific redress)


Why did you not even remotely address anything I wrote? Did you just have some stock reply that you send reflexively? :dead:

Some of your replies are strawmanning the exact OPPOSITE of the critique I was making. :mjlol:
 

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This isnt even a new talking point. It comes around every new election cycle. Hoe did a trump dikkrider "invent" it in 2024? Im convinced this a simulation because theres no way you people are this fukking stupid.
 

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This isnt even a new talking point. It comes around every new election cycle.


It comes around "every new election cycle". Exactly. :mjlol:




Hoe did a trump dikkrider "invent" it in 2024? Im convinced this a simulation because theres no way you people are this fukking stupid.


No one said that. He's just the white racist who took the lead this election cycle. John Tanton did it with PFIR back in 2016, and whoever is putting the battery in Tariq's back had the ball for 2020.


Edit: You can go all the way back to 2006, when John Tanton's racist network created "Choose Black America" as another front group for their White Nationalist agenda.

 
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Yall just don't want to accept that FBA and ADOS are two different things. At a certain point people just stop correcting you all because you just want to push your own fukking narratives no matter how braindead and stupid it is.
 

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From what I see in your posts the earliest time referenced is 2012, before 2012 she served as staff assistant to U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA), legislative aide to Congressman Marion Berry (D-AR), and assistant to the Chair of the Women’s Vote Center at the DNC.

These are critical facts about her political alignment and history that I can't find anywhere in any of the hitpieces articles you linked or in any of your posts ever. Not quite sure what's up with that.​

According to you she was pushing Ron Paul in 2012


You posted a massive wall of text that didn't even address the points I made. So let's take them one by one.

First off, one of the main issues I have with her is that in recent history (within 6 years of starting the #ADOS movement), she had run game for not one but TWO major White racists. This is not the folly of youth, this is something she was doing while aged 35-40. That either suggests HORRIBLE discernment, or that she's a straight agent.


It's not like she didn't know that Ron Paul was a racist. These are her own words when she was endorsing him in 2012:



"Andrew Sullivan unendorsed Ron Paul and, although I appreciate his ability to be reflective and thoughtful, I think he got it wrong."



[Let's remember that Andrew Sullivan is a White immigrant and conservative who pushes The Bell Curve, which claims Black people are intellectually inferior to Whites. Note that Yvette here is both praising him and positioning herself as LESS concerned about racism than fukking Andrew Sullivan.]


"Well, putting aside the question of how one defines “convincingly”, at the heart of the teeth gnashing are Paul’s racist newsletters and their import. For me, this would be a much tougher nut to crack if structural and/or cultural racism were still the most heinous defect in the American body politic. But in a country where indefinite detention just became the law of the land, it’s not. In a country where unmanned American drones are killing innocent children abroad, it’s not. And in a country where mortgage scammers are protected from prosecution while Americans are being foreclosed on in record numbers, it’s not. Sorry black folks, but race and racism are not the biggest issues of the 21st century and to imagine otherwise is to conflate the issue and put the needs of your community ahead of the needs of America in particular and the global community in general. In that way, it’s a selfish usurpation of the political agenda to placate the few, and it shouldn’t be tolerated by black people of conscience."


I mean, holy shyt. She basically just said that it's okay to support Ron Paul because racism just isn't a big issue anymore in the 21st century. This is a grown-ass adult Black woman, in her mid-30s, four years deep into the Obama era, saying let's fukk Obama and replace him with RON PAUL because small government and an isolationist foreign policy are more important to her than Black issues.


"If you, or me, or the next gal or guy believes Ron Paul to be a racist based on those 20 year old newsletters, then don’t vote for him. But don’t pretend that, as we devolve into a genuine police state, one candidate’s 20 year old view on race, or one’s association with racists, is a disqualifier. That’s a cute little immature brand of boutique politics, but it’s just unworkable in the knuckle and fist variety of real politics where the most important and impactful issues take priority. I wish Andrew Sullivan hadn’t unendorsed Paul. And I wish Ta-Nehisi Coates hadn’t done a “hip hop hooray” to cosign it."



Notice how that's the FULL OPPOSITE of everything she says in ADOS. Sure "people change", but what changed between 2012 and 2017? She kept doing the exact same political punditry she had always done, she just switched sides every election cycle.



She further tried to cover for Paul's racism in more articles:




"that’s me taking a principled stand. That’s me focusing on the issues of the day instead of the politics of the 1980’s. That’s me not responding to the dog whistles of politics. Not to be a narcissist or anything, but sometimes I wish folks would be more like me."
 
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Oh, what are these "20 year old newsletters" from Ron Paul that she's trying to ignore? They say stuff like:


"Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

“Order was only restored in LA when it came time for the blacks to collect their welfare checks. The ‘poor’ lined up at the Post Office to get their handouts (since there were no deliveries) — and then complained about slow service.”

[Looting is the result of] "civil rights,’ quotas, mandated hiring preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black tv shows, black tv anchors, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.”

"The media” believes that “America’s number one need is an unlimited white checking account for underclass blacks.”

Koreans were “the only people to act like real Americans,” it explained, “mainly because they have not yet been assimilated into our rotten liberal culture, which admonishes whites faced by raging blacks to lie back and think of England.”

“I’ve been told not to talk, but these stooges don’t scare me. Threats or no threats, I’ve laid bare the coming race war in our big cities."

"even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense... for the animals are coming."

“An ex-cop I know advises that if you have to use a gun on a youth, you should leave the scene immediately, disposing of the wiped off gun as soon as possible. Such a gun cannot, of course, be registered to you, but one bought privately (through the classifieds, for example).”

“blacks poured into the streets of Chicago in celebration. How to celebrate? How else? They broke the windows of stores to loot.”

“Jury verdicts, basketball games, and even music are enough to set off black rage, it seems.”

“It is human nature that like attracts likes. But whites are not allowed to express this same human impulse. Except in a de facto sense, there can be no white schools, white clubs, or white neighborhoods. The political system demands white integration, while allowing black segregation.”

Another newsletter suggested that black activists who wanted to rename New York City in honor of Martin Luther King Jr. should instead rename it "Welfaria," "Zooville," "Rapetown," "Dirtburg," or "Lazyopolis."

“[Martin Luther King, Jr.], the FBI files reveal, was not only a world-class adulterer, he also seduced underage girls and boys…And we are supposed to honor this ‘Christian minister’ and lying socialist satyr with a holiday that puts him on par with George Washington?”

"Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day."

“opinion polls consistently show only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions”

“if you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be"

[Black US rep Barbara Jordan] "is the archetypical half-educated victimologist” whose “race and sex protect her from criticism.”

"Listen to a black radio talk show in any major city. The racial hatred makes a KKK rally look tame. The blacks talk about their own racial superiority, how the whites have a conspiracy to wipe them out, and how they are going take over the country and enact retribution."


South Africa’s transition to multiracial democracy was portrayed as a “destruction of civilization” that was “the most tragic [to] ever occur on that continent, at least below the Sahara”; and, in March 1994, a month before Nelson Mandela was elected president, one item warned of an impending “South African Holocaust.”

"If there is any issue the Republicans have in their favor for the next presidential election, it is the question of race."




THAT is the racism that Yvette Carnell was willing to look the other way for. And all that shyt was written in the 1990s, it's not like we're talking 1960s or 1970s here.

Oh, on top of that, Ron Paul effusively praised the pro-Confederate historical writings of Thomas E. Woods Jr., a co-founder of the League of the South (an anti-Black neo-Confederate group that pushes for the White South to seceed), as well as the pro-Confederate writings of Thomas DiLorenzo, another neo-Confederate. Ron Paul repeatedly praised David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the KKK, for nearly winning a Louisiana Senate Seat and "scaring the establishment." And here he is in 2007 with Don Black, the founder of st0rmfr0nt and another Grand Wizard of the KKK.

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That picture is just five years before Yvette endorsed him. And it's not random, there's a long list of White Nationalists who supported Ron Paul, and by all appearances he was actively courting herm.


Maybe he turned a new leaf? Well, Ron Paul posted this tweet in 2018:

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He deleted it after heavy criticism, but then reposted the same tweet with a different picture and the same sentiment:





Even if you ignore the racism, supporting Ron Paul is WILD shyt for someone claiming to be "pro-Black". Everything about his positions is anti-Black, from wanting to repeal the Civil Rights Act to wanting to eliminate all entitlements to wanting to abolish the Department of Education. He's the exact opposite of reparations in every way. Yet she was okay with that because she didn't think Black issues were that important anymore. And we're not talking ancient history, we're talking just 4-5 years before she started #ADOS. I've never seen her actually explain why she had such horrible judgment in 2012, but we should trust her in 2017.
 

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It comes around "every new election cycle". Exactly. :mjlol:







No one said that. He's just the white racist who took the lead this election cycle. John Tanton did it with PFIR back in 2016, and whoever is putting the battery in Tariq's back had the ball for 2020.
It comes around every election cycle because that is when political talks ramp up I don't see your point. People were talking anti-immigrant stuff on this site last year, and the year before that, and the year before that. It's a sentiment. You have 3 options be positive, negative, or neutral on the issue. Nobody made it up.
 

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ADOS is not bait. Dr. King spoke on it, and it is an accurate descriptor of those of us with roots to the system of slavery as practiced in the now USA.

Also, stop lumping ADOS with Tariq's nonsense. ADOS looks to get redress for harms done to us, but we also look out for Americans who are Black and come from immigrant backgrounds, too. In fact, it is part of the ADOS mission. (Read the bolded)



FBA is lineage.

I wholeheartedly concur. Stop lumping a LGBQMcDLT organization with a lineage, friends.
 

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The whole Fba/Ados thing was bait to see if they can get black people to accept the Maga philosophy. It’s just maga for nikkas I can’t believe it’s people falling for that shyt. Black Americans definitely should have their own identity within the diaspora where their history and culture is celebrated and their concerns addressed and solved but this Ados shyt is a joke. S/O to the brother Rod Hayes and others putting in real work for Black Americans dropping real knowledge
Repped for accuracy:salute:
It’s White Supremacy in BlackFace
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Not that Ron Paul was the last White Racist she'd push.


In 2014 Yvette became a board member of PFIR, "Progressives For Immigration Reform". Yvette tried to juelz and claim it was a progressive cause because the org had "progressive" in its name, but it was open knowledge from the beginning that PFIR was just a front group for John Tanton, a White Supremacist who founded FAIR and a dozen other racist organizations.

he SPLC had a piece exposing PFIR as a mere FAIR re-tred with different packaging from the moment it was founded in 2010. The founding president of PFIR was a former attorney for FAIR, the founding VP of PFIR was a board member for both FAIR and CIS (another racist hate group founded by Tanton), and the blogger for PFIR was an author at CIS. Events run by PFIR have included White Nationalists such as VDARE's Peter Brimelow, the Social Contract's Wayne Lutton, and U.S., Inc's K.C. McAlpin.




Many speakers at PFIR’s event had links to John Tanton, the racist founder of the modern anti-immigration movement. Representatives from NumbersUSA and the Center for Immigration Studies—groups founded by Tanton—participated. The incestuous nature of the Tanton network was embodied in the person of PFIR Executive Director Leah Durant, who formerly was employed by the Federation for American Immigration Reform’s (FAIR) legal arm, the Immigration Reform Law Institute. FAIR, which the Southern Poverty Law Center lists as a hate group, was founded by Tanton, who still serves on the group’s board. For a time, Durant also was part of Choose Black America, a FAIR front group supposedly representing the interests of African Americans concerned with high levels of immigration. The group disintegrated not long after its first press conference, which was paid for and stage-managed by FAIR.
PFIR has a storied anti-immigrant history that is anything but progressive. As Imagine 2050 noted, “PFIR aims to make the anti-immigrant movement’s nativism palatable for environmentally minded liberals.” The group has ties to the nativist John Tanton Network, designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Imagine 2050 also found a group photo of PFIR’s executive director Leah Durant posing with two anti-immigrant, anti-Semitic individuals at a 2009 writer’s workshop put on by The Social Contract Press, known for publishing provocative, anti-immigrant, and sometime racist works. Durant also worked as an attorney for another anti-immigrant Tanton organization called the Federation of Americans for Immigration Reform (FAIR).

In case there's any doubt that John Tanton is a White Supremacist, more receipts are here: PFIR is not a progressive organization

The other Black board members of PFIR at that tiem were Jesse Lee Peterson, Leah Durant, and Frank Morris. Peterson and Durant both had extensive collaborations with white racists long before they joined PFIR, and Frank Morris had previously served with two other John Tanton front organizations.



As late as 2017 she was fully pushing the FAIR agenda, complaining that "Native citizens who are white" were being mistreated in this country because people were talking like they were no better than immigrants...and running with the incredible claim that White people aren't immigrants because they successfully killed off the Native Americans and thus it's a native white country now.



“Even native citizens who are white should not be treated the way these immigrants are treated. These are native people. There’s supposed to be some value to citizenship. What Obama is doing and the Democratic Party as a whole is convincing you is that there is nothing special about you. You’re just like the person who just crossed the border.”
“Let’s be honest about one thing. Everybody says we’re all immigrants if we’re not Native Americans. That’s not true. Let me tell you what happened. And its an ugly, ugly story. One that I don’t agree with. I don’t agree with just slaughtering people and taking their stuff. But that’s what happened. These people came here, who founded this country, came here and slaughtered the Native Americans and founded a new country. It’s not the same thing. That’s called a conquest. That’s not the same country anymore. They took it over, snatched it from the people that had it and created something new. We’re not like a nation of immigrants. And that’s what Obama wants you to believe. At least the people who supported Trump are like understanding that there’s supposed to be some value to citizenship. They realize America is in decline and that there are no more benefits to that citizenship.”






Yet at the same time she was throwing on the cape for "native white people", she was shytting on anyone who pushed for reparations as promoting "identity politics". This is Yvette in 2016 shytting on Coates and others who were pushing reparations:




YVETTE CARNELL: Well, listen. I would tell anyone that I am in favor of reparations. But reparations for me looks a lot like what Bernie Sanders defined. Reparations for me is massive investment in poor communities. And for me the whole problem with Ta-Nehisi Coates and what he, and what he did, what he did to me was really intellectually bankrupt. Because what he’s asking black people to do is follow this kind of identity politics, this kind of black identity politics, everything has to be about us being black people as opposed to everything being about us being poor people, disproportionately poor. And he wants us to follow down that road which really is a road to nowhere, leads to a goose egg.






Isn't that wild considering her positions now? Saying, "Black Americans need to put aside their personal issues with racism because it's not the biggest problem facing America" or "Pushing for reparations is bullshyt identity politics" or "It's okay to be part of a John Tanton front group because it has 'progressive' in the name"....how can you justify that? And the worst part to me is that she speaks with such venom and disregard for anyone who holds a different position than her now, when just three years earlier she was shytting on the exact same people from the opposite side.

Yvette in 2016: "Ta-Nehisi Coates is on some bullshyt pushing this pro-Black reparations, he should be more like Bernie Sanders and only push race-neutral things."

Yvette in 2019: "Ta-Nehisi Coates is on some bullshyt supporting Bernie Sanders, I don't think his commitment to solely pro-black tangibles is strong enough."
 

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Why did you not even remotely address anything I wrote? Did you just have some stock reply that you send reflexively? :dead:

Some of your replies are strawmanning the exact OPPOSITE of the critique I was making. :mjlol:
I literally read the articles YOU posted, and gave you a reasoning as to why they are ineffective in telling pro-ADOS people why ADOS is problematic. Their listings and reasonings were hypocritical at best and salacious at worst. There is no honest discourse around the beef with ADOS. Most of it steeped in their beef with ADOS being “nativist”. It seems these ppl would rather have pointless pan Africanism or pointless PoC coalitions and symbolic “stick it to the man/fukk America!” kayfabe, while simultaneously telling ADOS that their “lineage over everything” approach is “too extreme” for other groups to get with. While other PoC coalitions and ethnic groups have no problem fighting for their place within and contributing to American capitalism. :dead:
 

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I literally read the articles YOU posted, and gave you a reasoning as to why they are ineffective in telling pro-ADOS people why ADOS is problematic. Their listings and reasonings were hypocritical at best and salacious at worst. There is no honest discourse around the beef with ADOS. Most of it steeped in their beef with ADOS being “nativist”. It seems these ppl would rather have pointless pan Africanism or pointless PoC coalitions and symbolic “stick it to the man/fukk America!” kayfabe, while simultaneously telling ADOS that their “lineage over everything” approach is “too extreme” for other groups to get with. While other PoC coalitions and ethnic groups have no problem fighting for their place within and contributing to American capitalism. :dead:


I posted myself the reasons why she was problematic and posted the articles because they provided support for THOSE reasons. You completely ignored the reasons I gave and wrote a bunch of bullshyt that didn't even address what I posted or the articles.

For example, you claimed it said:

"We tried the whole reperations push already, and it FAILED! We got symbolic pan-africanism that didn't amount to much of anything"(No crap! Symbolic Pan-Africanism is what they're trying to get people AWAY from)


Bullshyt. Talib said he is PRO reparations, and so it Mark Thompson (who Yvette was also attacking). She attacked Talib for saying that he would prefer voting for Bernie and a PLAN to pursue reparations than allow Trump to win and get nothing at all.




"I was only marginally aware of Mark Thompson’s pro reparations work before both him and I started being harassed by a new hashtag movement bubbling online called ADOS, which stands for American Descendants Of Slaves. I saw him on Joy Ann Reid’s MSNBC program being described as a member of the National African American Reparations Commission (NAARC) due to his research and support of the concept of reparations for African Americans who are descended from enslaved people."

"Like Mark Thompson, I have always been pro reparations. In my first solo song ever, “2000 Seasons” from 1997, I rap “they call it reparations but they call it extortion.” In 2004, on Kanye West’s (that’s pre Trump Kanye btw) “We Can Make It Better”, I rapped “reparations, how you calculate the amount to be paid, you try to imagine America without the slaves.” I am of the belief that African Americans absolutely deserve reparations and I’ve worked closely throughout my career with a pro reparations community activist group called the Malcolm X Grassroots Movement. However, none of that mattered to a woman named Yvette Carnell, a founder of this ADOS movement, when she decided to wander over to my mentions to aggressively critique me for writing what amounted to an anti Trump tweet."

"I was taken aback when I received such a vile, personal attack on my character and my life’s work from what seemed at first glance to be a pro-black black woman. It was clear to me that I supported a plan for reparations in the tweet she was critical of, so why the attack? I had never heard of ADOS or Yvette Carnell before I wrote the tweet, so why did she take a tweet that wasn’t written to her or about her so personal? Why did she assume I was talking about her and her movement?"





It got worse from there. Look where the #ADOS mob went next:

"As bad as Yvette’s Carnell’s initial unsolicited tweet to me was, her followers were way worse. They collectively decided I was a Haitian immigrant (weird flex) as a way to justify their dismissal of my position. I was born in Brooklyn. My mother was born in New Jersey and my father was born in Queens. We’ve never been Haitian. It became apparent to me very quickly that ADOS was an anti black immigrant movement when scores of ADOS accounts began to harass me, an American born citizen, for being an immigrant. I was called a “c00n”, a “sell out”, I was told to “go back to Haiti”. When I pointed out that Yvette Carnell made a YouTube video entitled “Pan Africanism Is Dead” I was told to “go back to Africa”. One ADOS person threatened to shoot me and several others, including a verified twitter user named Junot Joyner who once lost on American Idol 11 years ago, threatened to show up where I perform to physically assault me. These bigoted and sometimes violently worded attacks came daily, by the hundreds, for almost a month straight. Supposedly pro-black ADOS folks were using the same exact hateful rhetoric that white supremacists have used on me for years in digital spaces. Something was fishy."




Talib does his research:

"Largely due to the impeccable research of a twitter user named @ImaniKushan I began to see that Yvette Carnell, who’s twitter name is @breakingbrown, seemed to use her YouTube channel to push right wing, pro Trump, anti immigration propaganda. She has videos titled “Why Is Everyone So Afraid of Steve Bannon” and “Trump Is Right About Black Poverty.” There was a video of her wearing a MAGA hat, which she deleted once we called her out for wearing it. She has tweets about how Trump looks so presidential on TV, and about how Trump is correct about birthright citizenship. She uses her Twitter account to push anti immigration propaganda, and she uses nazi slogans like “blood and soil.” She wrote an essay on her Breaking Brown blog entitled “Black Lawmakers Shouldn’t Be Out Here Calling Trump Illegitimate.” Despite her denials of her support for Trump, the evidence is clear that in action Yvette Carnell is pushing the GOP’s message."

"As damning as all of these facts about Yvette Carnell’s actions are, her intentions were not clear to me until I found out that she is an admittedly proud board member of an anti immigrant organization that deceptively calls itself Progressives For Immigration Reform. In case you are someone who doesn’t understand that progressives generally don’t fight for immigration reform, let be break this down for you. PFIR was designated as a hate group by the ADL and the SPLC because it is funded by John Tanton, a white nationalist well known for creating right wing think tanks that are specifically designed to get minority voters to align with GOP supported anti immigration policy. Now I understood why everyone following Yvette Carnell and supporting her movement were so hateful to immigrants. That was by design. Thats the whole point. ADOS is an insidious right wing funded anti immigration hashtag movement cloaked in the righteous language of reparations."

What most ADOS folks say when I present the evidence that Yvette Carnell is a fraud, is to look at their website, ados101.com. On this site, created by ADOS co founder Antonio Moore, Ronald Reagan is celebrated as being helpful to the black community. Donald Trump is celebrated as being helpful to black communities. Barack Obama, the first black president, is critiqued as not being helpful to black communities. I have no issues with critique of Obama. But when critique of Obama is buttressed in with celebration of Reagan and Trump, that's clearly right wing propaganda.




NONE of the other arguments you claimed we made were in Talib's essay either. You ignored absolutely everything I said and everything he said. You acted just like he said you act.
 
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