Bill Simmons "Blake Griffin and Deandre Jordan don't like playing with Chris Paul"

[tremonthustler1]

From watching them and @pete clemenza can agree with this, there were games where Paul would come out, Bledsoe would come in and shyt would get turnt up. Then when Paul would come in, things stalled out and not as free flowing. Not to say Paul can't run this kind of offense, but they need a Steve Nash-type of PG that can constantly keep the tempo going.

 

[ghostwriterx]

From watching them and @pete clemenza can agree with this, there were games where Paul would come out, Bledsoe would come in and shyt would get turnt up. Then when Paul would come in, things stalled out and not as free flowing. Not to say Paul can't run this kind of offense, but they need a Steve Nash-type of PG that can constantly keep the tempo going.

The problem is DeAndre is pretty much useless in the half-court, Blake is better but not consistent and no knock down shooters.

 

[tremonthustler1]

The problem is DeAndre is pretty much useless in the half-court, Blake is better but not consistent and no knock down shooters.

Agreed, and that's something they need to work on. Otherwise they can't go as far as their talent would indicate.

 

[pete clemenza]

I love the tempo when Bledsoe is in the game but he still has to work on his control and speed. He knows when to speed up but alot of times he doesn't know when to slow it down. But with that said Bledsoe has some serious upside and a nice future.

-Last year it was definitely obvious.. Paul slowed the game down way too much. But from what I've seen this entire preseason they've been running like crazy and look really good with Paul or Bledsoe in the game. I'll take Simmons words with a grain of salt. He is a Clippers season ticket holder and he is 'Mr. Grantland'- maybe he has some insider info

-Paul's knows he has to push the tempo. But coming off that gold medal he looks real sharp so far. Can't wait for the season to start

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I already made reference to this last season:

Alright, I think I'mma need to break this down, cause folk wildin' in here.

HE DID NOT SHOOT A HIGHER FG% PRIMARILY DUE TO PLAYING WITH PAUL:

2010/2011 Season -

466 assisted field goals (overall) at 67%
265 assisted field goals (rim) at 68%
111 assisted field goals (3-9ft) at 58%
24 assisted field goals (10-15ft) at 57%
59 assisted field goals (16-3pt) at 83%

2011/2012 Season -

352 assisted field goals (overall) at 62%
255 assisted field goals (rim) at 65%
65 assisted field goals (3-9ft) at 45%
11 assisted field goals (10-15ft) at 52%
75 assisted field goals (16-3pt) at 81%

As you can see he shot a higher percentage on ALL assisted field goals in his rookie season compared to his sophomore season with Paul. A major reason for this is the 2010/2011 PG's (Davis, Williams, Bledsoe + Gordon) would use the momentum of the roll in P&R situations, by dishing it straight away, making it one-fluid motion from x-distributor to Griffin. And if the P&R broke down, they would reset.

His pairing with Paul is that CP3 loves to keep his dribble alive. Paul keeping his dribble alive is not a bad thing by any means, it just makes for a bad combo with Griffin because of Blake’s instincts. When Griffin gets the ball right away, he’s fantastic. But Paul isn’t delivering the ball right away. Instead, like he did with Tyson Chandler, Paul is dribbling more to probe the defense even further. But unlike Tyson Chandler, Griffin is not finding his way to the rim so that Paul can lob it to him once he creates an opening. His instinct is to float out to the perimeter like David West did.

Which is all indicative of the 2010/2011 squad being ranked 12th in pace and this season's squad being ranked 27th.

LOWER PPG:

2010/2011 Season - 38 MPG / 8.5-16.8 FGM-A / .50 FG% / 5.4-8.5 FTM-A / .64 FT% / 22.5 PPG

2011/2012 Season - 36.2 MPG / 8.5-15.5 FGM-A / .54 FG% / 3.7-7.1 FTM-A / .52 FT% / 20.7 PPG

He's averaged the same amount of 'field goals made' this season as he did last season - except in LESS minutes.

Now he averaged more minutes last season; the PPG comparison isn't entirely accurate, if we were to equal his minutes for each season you would find his Per 48 - 28.5 PPG in his rookie season and 27.5 PPG in his sophomore season - 1 less point per game. Now if we went further and took his free throw percentage from 2010/2011 and used it for his 2011/2012 season he would be 6.1 from 9.4 FTM-A at 64% (per 48). Differential being 1.2, added onto 27.5 = 28.7 PPG.

Per 48 minutes - 2010/2011 Season = 28.5 PPG. 2011/2012 season = 28.7 PPG. The only regression in his scoring game is his free throw percentage.

LOWER RPG:

2010/2011 Season - 38 MPG / 3.3 ORPG / 12.1 RPG - Per 48 = 15.3 RPG

2010/2011 Season - 36.2 MPG / 3.3 ORPG / 10.9 RPG - Per 48 = 14.4 RPG

Equal minutes and Griffin averaged 0.9 less total rebounds compared to his rookie season, however if you take into account DeAndre Jordan's increase in MPG (25.6 to 27.2) which increased his RPG (7.2 to 8.3) from the last two seasons = the 1.6 minutes and 1.1 rebounds more from Jordan in the 2011/2012 season, that Griffin didn't have hindering/influencing his own rebounding numbers in his rookie season.

BLOCKS ARE STILL LOW FOR SOMEONE WITH HIS ATHLETIC ABILITY:

He'll never be able to completely maximise his athletic ability for blocking, when he's LAST in standing reaches and second to last in wingspan for starting PF's + the lack of defensive instincts; however he has IMPROVED his blocking-ability + overall defense this season.

FREE THROW PERCENTAGE DECREASED:

As stated above, this is really the only part of his game that has regressed.

My point being - the generality of 'Blake Griffin's game has regressed' is not an adequate-bearing of how he played in 2011/2012 in comparison to 2010/2011; it's MORE that he hasn't improved and LESS that he has regressed. His game is at a plateau. Within his FIRST two seasons, he went from - Center-of-offense → 1b playing with a ball-dominant PG = stunted growth.

Compared to Odom, who went from Sixth Man of the Year to not being mentioned at all, within TWO SEASONS; going from the triangle to a new system in Dallas, off-court distractions, used differently, etc etc - all contributed to an ACTUAL regressed game.

Now can you see why your singling out of Blake's regression over Odom's is pathetic.

 

[Easy-E]

*wrong thread*

 

[Mr. Jack Napier]

Where is this "young guys don't want to play with Chris Paul" story coming from. Is this Simmons dude just making shyt up.

 

[GoldenGlove]

If I'm the Clipps, I trade CP3 ASAP, they got Bledsoe to replace him anyways. If CP3 wants to go to the Knicks, where he wants to go, CP3 & Deandre for Chandler, Shumpert, Brewer, Smith, and filler.

Even with the

That trade proposal is just a big WTF

 

[PTBG]

 

[PTBG]

Even with the

That trade proposal is just a big WTF

lol I was obviously but I do now that the Knicks is where CP3 originally where he wanted to go before going to the Clipps and the Lakers veto'd deal. But, the Knicks don't have the assets to get Cp3 though.

 

[Regular_P]

Jesus Christ, that's some Skip Bayless nonsense if I've ever heard it. Griffin and trash ass DeAndre Jordan don't like playing with Chris Paul? The guy who willed that team into the playoffs and 2nd round? It must suck to play with the best point guard in basketball.

 

[Majestic Pape]

If I'm the Clipps, I trade CP3 ASAP, they got Bledsoe to replace him anyways. If CP3 wants to go to the Knicks, where he wants to go, CP3 & Deandre for Chandler, Shumpert, Brewer, Smith, and filler.

You want Eric fukking Bledsoe to REPLACE Chris Paul?

 

[PTBG]

You want Eric fukking Bledsoe to REPLACE Chris Paul?

I was motherfukker. but, Bledsoe has looked good so far, but nowhere near ready to takeover for CP3

 

[Majestic Pape]

From watching them and @pete clemenza can agree with this, there were games where Paul would come out, Bledsoe would come in and shyt would get turnt up. Then when Paul would come in, things stalled out and not as free flowing. Not to say Paul can't run this kind of offense, but they need a Steve Nash-type of PG that can constantly keep the tempo going.

Chris Paul speeding up the tempo would not have gotten that team any further than it got last year, nor would having Steve Nash or a "Steve Nash type".

 

[tremonthustler1]

Chris Paul speeding up the tempo would not have gotten that team any further than it got last year, nor would having Steve Nash or a "Steve Nash type".

This is probably gonna come off as a diss to Jordan and Griffin, but it's as if they do better when they're not thinking and just reacting. When play slows down they actually have to run plays and they're either unaware or incapable of what they need to do (maybe that's also an indictment on VDN as well, but it doesn't look good).