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Biggie stole his name and song Juicy from this rapper?
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This is bizarre
He couldn’t use his name because biggy smallz was already trademark by a Caucasian rapper from the west coast who ironically had ties to Pac - The record label gave him the name notorious BIG
truth is stranger than fiction sometimes
Being from the Bay and growing up around legendary underground Bay Area rappers, I can tell you Bay rappers sampled hella songs before East Coast rappers did. But you also have to realize a lot of these sampled songs weren’t obscure records. Mtume “Juicy Fruit” was one of the biggest R&B records of the fukking 80’s. They still play that song on classic R&B radio to this day.
Also, a lot of rappers pattern themselves after underground rappers that are relatively unknown in the mainstream. Snoop patterned his early rap style after D-Loc and Richie Rich from 415 from Oakland. But Snoop admits this. He even used the same sample for “Gz and Hustlaz” as 415 did on “Snitches and bytches”. Everybody patterns themselves after somebody. Nas sounds like G Rap mixed with Rakim. Biggie sounds nothing like that B1 dude though.
The only weird coincidence is his name being Notorious B1, him being fat and calling himself big daddy. I know big name rappers with the machine behind them are known to low key steal game from underground rappers. Sort of like how Jay Z said “I got 99 problems but a bytch ain’t one” in 2003 when local Bay Area legend Cellski from my old block in Frisco said that same phrase on “On the Grind” in 94’.
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Being from the Bay and growing up around legendary underground Bay Area rappers, I can tell you Bay rappers sampled hella songs before East Coast rappers did. But you also have to realize a lot of these sampled songs weren’t obscure records. Mtume “Juicy Fruit” was one of the biggest R&B records of the fukking 80’s. They still play that song on classic R&B radio to this day.
Also, a lot of rappers pattern themselves after underground rappers that are relatively unknown in the mainstream. Snoop patterned his early rap style after D-Loc and Richie Rich from 415 from Oakland. But Snoop admits this. He even used the same sample for “Gz and Hustlaz” as 415 did on “Snitches and bytches”. Everybody patterns themselves after somebody. Nas sounds like G Rap mixed with Rakim. Biggie sounds nothing like that B1 dude though.
The only weird coincidence is his name being Notorious B1, him being fat and calling himself big daddy. I know big name rappers with the machine behind them are known to low key steal game from underground rappers. Sort of like how Jay Z said “I got 99 problems but a bytch ain’t one” in 2003 when local Bay Area legend Cellski from my old block in Frisco said that same phrase on “On the Grind” in 94’.
First of all, producers sample the same records all the time. If it's a popular loop you can't claim it.
Second, Ice T originated 99 Problems in 93:
Nobody knows about any of that local bay area stuff outside the bay.
The Source |Unsigned Hype Revisited: The Notorious B.I.G. (March, 1992)
Unsigned Hype Revisited: The Notorious B.I.G. (March, 1992)thesource.com
Biggie was already TNBIG in 1992.
RIP 50 Grand
He snapped on this..
Popular sample.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Puff stole elements that went into the BadBoy version.
I have a hard time seeing BIG stealing anything on the lyrical side of it, but who knows how much Puff was contributing in those studio sessions.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Puff stole elements that went into the BadBoy version.
I have a hard time seeing BIG stealing anything on the lyrical side of it, but who knows how much Puff was contributing in those studio sessions.
Let it had been Hov
deleteuser101
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This shyt could rewrite history if Puff gave this to Big as a reference for Juicy & the whole “Notorious” persona. Then he from Mississippi.
Makes the line “From the Mississippi, Down to the east coast” hit different…
Makes the line “From the Mississippi, Down to the east coast” hit different…
Damn. I never knew this and I lived through that time period
ReturnOfJudah
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Any Sip bruhs knew bout this?
Rapmastermind
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"Juicy Fruit" was one of the biggest R&B hits of the 80's spending 8 weeks at #1. It's been sampled countless times long before Big or this guy did. If I had to give credit to anyone for popularizing the sample in Hip Hop before Big's "Juicy" blew, it would be to Rap Group Wreaks N Effect. Years before "Rump Shaker" blew up, Teddy Riley featured and helped produce their self titled Debut album. On that album they released a single also titled "Juicy" in 1989, 5 years before Big.
This song was hit going #6 on the Rap Charts in the late 80's early 90's. It definitely got radio play during that time. If anything I'm sure Big heard this long before. Ironically, Big didn't even want to rap over the "Juicy" beat. Also he used the Notorious alias before he was even signed as someone showed in the Unsigned Hype article. He called himself "Notorious Biggie Smalls" on his demo so he been had the name. He's was calling himself Biggie/B.I.G. in the 80's. Now there was drama more with Pete Rock and Puffy about the production credit which Puff ended up giving him remix credit for the song.
(This Demo song samples the Bill Cosby Sidney Portier film "Let's Do It Again" where he got the name Biggie Smalls from. As mentioned a White Rapper trademarked it by changing it to "Biggy Smallz" with Z but Big was calling himself Notorious from jump.)
This song was hit going #6 on the Rap Charts in the late 80's early 90's. It definitely got radio play during that time. If anything I'm sure Big heard this long before. Ironically, Big didn't even want to rap over the "Juicy" beat. Also he used the Notorious alias before he was even signed as someone showed in the Unsigned Hype article. He called himself "Notorious Biggie Smalls" on his demo so he been had the name. He's was calling himself Biggie/B.I.G. in the 80's. Now there was drama more with Pete Rock and Puffy about the production credit which Puff ended up giving him remix credit for the song.
(This Demo song samples the Bill Cosby Sidney Portier film "Let's Do It Again" where he got the name Biggie Smalls from. As mentioned a White Rapper trademarked it by changing it to "Biggy Smallz" with Z but Big was calling himself Notorious from jump.)
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