Biggie stole his name and song Juicy from this rapper?

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Being from the Bay and growing up around legendary underground Bay Area rappers, I can tell you Bay rappers sampled hella songs before East Coast rappers did. But you also have to realize a lot of these sampled songs weren’t obscure records. Mtume “Juicy Fruit” was one of the biggest R&B records of the fukking 80’s. They still play that song on classic R&B radio to this day.

Also, a lot of rappers pattern themselves after underground rappers that are relatively unknown in the mainstream. Snoop patterned his early rap style after D-Loc and Richie Rich from 415 from Oakland. But Snoop admits this. He even used the same sample for “Gz and Hustlaz” as 415 did on “Snitches and bytches”. Everybody patterns themselves after somebody. Nas sounds like G Rap mixed with Rakim. Biggie sounds nothing like that B1 dude though.

The only weird coincidence is his name being Notorious B1, him being fat and calling himself big daddy. I know big name rappers with the machine behind them are known to low key steal game from underground rappers. Sort of like how Jay Z said “I got 99 problems but a bytch ain’t one” in 2003 when local Bay Area legend Cellski from my old block in Frisco said that same phrase on “On the Grind” in 94’. :stopitslime:



I wasn’t expecting a Cellski reference in this thread lol. That album my shyt….:youngsabo:
 

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I came across this video on youtube and it talked about how Biggie potentially stole his name, and the song Juicy from this rapper.

Same beat and flow and his name is Notorious B1 and this song came out in 1993.






muthafukkin notorious d.r.e

the flow is more 2low on geto boys bring it on...than the flow big use...

biggest reach

u think pac wouldnt have exposed that...it was always copied his style... not bl's
 

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Being from the Bay and growing up around legendary underground Bay Area rappers, I can tell you Bay rappers sampled hella songs before East Coast rappers did. But you also have to realize a lot of these sampled songs weren’t obscure records. Mtume “Juicy Fruit” was one of the biggest R&B records of the fukking 80’s. They still play that song on classic R&B radio to this day.

Also, a lot of rappers pattern themselves after underground rappers that are relatively unknown in the mainstream. Snoop patterned his early rap style after D-Loc and Richie Rich from 415 from Oakland. But Snoop admits this. He even used the same sample for “Gz and Hustlaz” as 415 did on “Snitches and bytches”. Everybody patterns themselves after somebody. Nas sounds like G Rap mixed with Rakim. Biggie sounds nothing like that B1 dude though.

The only weird coincidence is his name being Notorious B1, him being fat and calling himself big daddy. I know big name rappers with the machine behind them are known to low key steal game from underground rappers. Sort of like how Jay Z said “I got 99 problems but a bytch ain’t one” in 2003 when local Bay Area legend Cellski from my old block in Frisco said that same phrase on “On the Grind” in 94’. :stopitslime:




who used it first ice t n brother marquis..or cellski..

ice t album was wrote in 92 n dropped in 93..

cell dropped his in 94
 

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Interesting, I'm doing a little digging in the crates now,

and I just found out that a bay area rapper named Dre Dog dropped a album in 1993

that featured the same beats Puffy used for Juicy and Big Poppa

Unless these beats were popular samples back then, maybe Puffy got inspired by this dude

And I dont think that takes away from the greatness of Puff and Bigg,

Sometimes dope beats can end up in the wrong hands





Being from the Bay and growing up around legendary underground Bay Area rappers, I can tell you Bay rappers sampled hella songs before East Coast rappers did. But you also have to realize a lot of these sampled songs weren’t obscure records. Mtume “Juicy Fruit” was one of the biggest R&B records of the fukking 80’s. They still play that song on classic R&B radio to this day.

Also, a lot of rappers pattern themselves after underground rappers that are relatively unknown in the mainstream. Snoop patterned his early rap style after D-Loc and Richie Rich from 415 from Oakland. But Snoop admits this. He even used the same sample for “Gz and Hustlaz” as 415 did on “Snitches and bytches”. Everybody patterns themselves after somebody. Nas sounds like G Rap mixed with Rakim. Biggie sounds nothing like that B1 dude though.

The only weird coincidence is his name being Notorious B1, him being fat and calling himself big daddy. I know big name rappers with the machine behind them are known to low key steal game from underground rappers. Sort of like how Jay Z said “I got 99 problems but a bytch ain’t one” in 2003 when local Bay Area legend Cellski from my old block in Frisco said that same phrase on “On the Grind” in 94’. :stopitslime:




I see @Supa already pointed out the Ice T joint.

Tribe sampled Between The Sheets before Dre Dog and Big
 

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I came across this video on youtube and it talked about how Biggie potentially stole his name, and the song Juicy from this rapper.

Same beat and flow and his name is Notorious B1 and this song came out in 1993.




This ain’t the same flow at all :dead:
 

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Yall can hear it first before anyone else tells you, they gon also say Pac bit "Keep yo head up" off him as well. Here he sounds NOTHING like BIG and more like a "Mississippi rapper" :russ:



There was a guy accusing Pac of stealing Dear Mama

 

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The single
Its on 12" on Discogs for $89.99


That's a fair price for a piece of rap history
 

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Damn, this shyt made the front page of VLADTV



"Just [imagine] my surprise when people started calling me saying they've just seen my video. We was trying to get the truth out back then but after B.i.g's death i decided to leave it alone out of respect. I'm not fat anymore and a lot has changed but before i leave this b*tch I want everybody to know the truth. I was the original Notorious Bigg One."
 

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If it’s not a coincidence so what? It’s well known artists have had songs given. stolen, copied, or bought or some form of help with songs in the music industry and its a regular practice. Any mainstream artist with multiple hits are 100% guilty of this in some form or fashion.

This explains why Big didn’t want to do Juicy but also how Puff has a ear for hit records. This doesn’t take away from Bigs legacy in my opinion. It just shows how the music industry is and how with the right amount of marketing and talent magic happens.

Biggie still the GOAT in my view

Biggie Presley Smalls
 
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