Biggie stole his name and song Juicy from this rapper?

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Because there is only evidence that there is one song where they used the same beat where a lot of rappers would use a similar flows to

There is zero evidence that BIG took this guys whole style and ran with it on every song lol
It’s not the same flow on the song posted. This whole thread is on some :troll: shyt.
 

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Being from the Bay and growing up around legendary underground Bay Area rappers, I can tell you Bay rappers sampled hella songs before East Coast rappers did. But you also have to realize a lot of these sampled songs weren’t obscure records. Mtume “Juicy Fruit” was one of the biggest R&B records of the fukking 80’s. They still play that song on classic R&B radio to this day.

Also, a lot of rappers pattern themselves after underground rappers that are relatively unknown in the mainstream. Snoop patterned his early rap style after D-Loc and Richie Rich from 415 from Oakland. But Snoop admits this. He even used the same sample for “Gz and Hustlaz” as 415 did on “Snitches and bytches”. Everybody patterns themselves after somebody. Nas sounds like G Rap mixed with Rakim. Biggie sounds nothing like that B1 dude though.

The only weird coincidence is his name being Notorious B1, him being fat and calling himself big daddy. I know big name rappers with the machine behind them are known to low key steal game from underground rappers. Sort of like how Jay Z said “I got 99 problems but a bytch ain’t one” in 2003 when local Bay Area legend Cellski from my old block in Frisco said that same phrase on “On the Grind” in 94’. :stopitslime:


I haven't gone thru this entire thread...so i dont know if anyone has addressed this...but Jay didnt steal that from Cellski. You n!ggas need to know your hip hop history before trying to big up your local artists at the expense of someone else. I say that as someone who has that Cellski album on my phone.

As for the thread...i think common sense will tell you big...puff...pete rock...trackmasters and the rest of them nikkas have never heard of that B1 song probably even up to today. Wasnt no youtube or any other outlet that would have exposed this cat to them back then. Pure coincidence and reaching (tho that "from the Mississippi down to the Eastcoast" line is funny as shyt)
 
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Someone must have tik tok’d this. My homie just texted me wild early like check this out. I’m like you late breh lol. Had to read back through the thread to see some of the points and counterpoints.
 

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It's definitely not impossible bro. I just think it's coincidence. I've heard other versions of rappers rapping over the Juicy sample and they all sound similar.



Dre Dog/Andre Nickatina also had a song on that album that sampled Between the Sheets, same sample used on Big Poppa.

Juicy Fruit and Between the Sheets were popular songs, so you’re bound to have different people using the same samples.




Dre Dog also had a song on that album that sampled Southside Movement’s “I’ve Been Watching You”, which has been used by a lot of rappers as well.



 
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Why does Big mention Mississippi in the song?

The sample was already popular. Big was already using the name.

BUT the Mississippi mention in "Juicy" is eye raising.

During that time period everyone had to mail their demos to the labels in NYC.

Down South, artists weren't mailing in demos. They simply pressed up copies of their work and sold them out the trunk.

The Mississippi that Biggie is referencing in "Juicy" isn't the state, it's the river hence "the Mississippi".
 

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I was being sarcastic & pointing out the irony of him rapping over a Pac beat. I guess Pac stole from him too lol

That song was uploaded in 2012, doesn't sound like the guy from Big Daddy and there's no proof that song is from 93

There however is proof Big Daddy by B1 came out a year before Juicy :yeshrug:
 
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