Biden authorizes Ukraine to use US long range missiles for deeper strikes inside Russia

[Nascimento]

You still didn't do it properly. Your analogy ignores the key aspect of it all: Russian aggression. All you're doing is distorting historical realities and ignoring the principles of sovereignty. Your post is nothing more than a biased narrative favoring Russian aggression. There is no reality where it's justified. It's not justified as a defensive move, as a response to corruption (this one is especially laughable coming for Kleptocrat Putin), nor as a historical land claim. It's just an attack on a neighbor's independence by a bully who wants nothing but control. Further, your dismissal of international consensus is misleading. Russia's actions have been condemned by the international community through things like UN resolutions and sanctions.

How can you call it "Russian aggression" when there was no violent conflict before the West's intelligence agencies got involved??

If your people are being attacked by forces armed by foreign powers in lands they've lived in since the 1600s, if tens of thousands are killed and a million flee east to Russia, if your ability to conduct trade is destroyed, then breh, these are CLEARLY acts of war and you as Russia have every right to defend yourself. Especially after having spent 8 years exhausting diplomatic solutions with counterparts in the West that proved themselves dishonest after the Minsk Accords.

Are you seriously arguing that the world stands behind Ukraine and the US rather than Russia? The sanctions are imposed by the US and its allies, which the rest of the world ignores.

There was one UN resolution that was voted in an emergency session immediately after the special operation commenced, that "deplored" the Russian invasion, and was for "a just and lasting peace". In my personal view, that was a vote for peaceful settlement by countries and officials without a full understanding of what was going on, with many significant countries in BRICS and global south abstaining to vote. It has been reaffirmed a number of times, but with waning support, and no new resolutions since.

Bro…. Wait a fukking minute your metaphor goes off the rails when you said China overthrows the Mexico’s government. When did the west overthrow Ukraine’s government?



Was an election where the party that wasn’t pro sucking Russia’s dikk this overthrow you are talking about? It’s a key fact in your assessment that you are missing.

Also the Ukraine’s want to fight. America isn’t pushing this on them, cause they have nothing to gain.

Lastly Russia ain’t America. The amount of casualties on their side is staggering.

The Maidan movement was a protest with legitimate grievances against corruption and nepotism in the Yanukovitch government, the so called Russia-friendly president. In reality, he was trying to balance good relations with both the EU and Russia. Notably, this was not a widespread popular movement. Best estimates say Ukraine was evenly divided between leaning toward Russia or the EU. IMO this is significant as ethnic Russians were only 20 % of Ukraine's population. Yanukovitch was democratically elected in free and fair elections according to international monitors.

Anyway, the Maidan movement got opportunistically hijacked by the West's intelligence operations. They armed and bankrolled violent extremists to fight and oust the sitting government. The Jacobian article I've linked has a detailed timeline of the events (and a balanced review of Russia's and West's involvement in Ukraine), and you can find tell-tale signs of a foreign sponsored coup. Mysterious masked armed fighters and sniper fire coming from buildings occupied by protesters. The US through CIA and DIA was repeating strategy and tactics here that have been employed elsewhere like Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, the list is long. Arm and bankroll lunatic extremists - in Ukraine, Neo Nazis, and in the Middle East, islamists - and manipulate them to fight in your interest.

US official Victoria Nuland discussed with US ambassador to Ukraine who should be put in power after Yanukovitch (revealed through intercepted communications, as mentioned by Jeffrey Sachs, linked earlier in the thread), and lo and behold the person they agreed upon becomes prime minister and forms the new government. If you cant see that this is a Western backed coup you're retarded, I'm sorry.

The new government moved forward with loans on terms dictated by the West. Severe austerity measured were imposed on Ukrainian people with privatizations, wage and pension freezes, raised pension age, removed gas subsidies to households - classic exploitive IMF policies to gain access to cheap resources and labor and put a halt to economic and social development. In the next election, this government was voted out in a landslide. But the arming and fighting sponsored by the West was already underway, leading to civil war, and ultimately war.

It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war | Seumas Milne

Seumas Milne: The attempt to lever Kiev into the western camp by ousting an elected leader made conflict certain. It could be a threat to us all

www.theguardian.com

A US-Backed, Far Right–Led Revolution in Ukraine Helped Bring Us to the Brink of War

In 2014 Ukraine, great power gamesmanship, righteous anger at a corrupt status quo, and opportunistic far-right extremists toppled the government in the Maidan Revolution. Today’s crisis in Ukraine can’t be understood without understanding Maidan.

jacobin.com

I fully expect to get warning points, bushed and posts deleted as that has happened every time I've engaged with @Pull Up the Roots

 

[I. H.]

You like to write a lot, but it only amounts to parroting old and tired Russian and anti-Western propaganda talking points with no real evidence, no real proof.

 

[Nascimento]

You like to write a lot, but it only amounts to parroting old and tired Russian and anti-Western propaganda talking points with no real evidence, no real proof.

Well yeah, I'm arguing from a different point of view. Everyone can go and make up their mind and believe what they want.

 

[The Realist Perspective]

You like to write a lot, but it only amounts to parroting old and tired Russian and anti-Western propaganda talking points with no real evidence, no real proof.

This dude is definitely using chat gpt.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

How can you call it "Russian aggression" when there was no violent conflict before the West's intelligence agencies got involved??

If your people are being attacked by forces armed by foreign powers in lands they've lived in since the 1600s, if tens of thousands are killed and a million flee east to Russia, if your ability to conduct trade is destroyed, then breh, these are CLEARLY acts of war and you as Russia have every right to defend yourself. Especially after having spent 8 years exhausting diplomatic solutions with counterparts in the West that proved themselves dishonest after the Minsk Accords.

Are you seriously arguing that the world stands behind Ukraine and the US rather than Russia? The sanctions are imposed by the US and its allies, which the rest of the world ignores.

There was one UN resolution that was voted in an emergency session immediately after the special operation commenced, that "deplored" the Russian invasion, and was for "a just and lasting peace". In my personal view, that was a vote for peaceful settlement by countries and officials without a full understanding of what was going on, with many significant countries in BRICS and global south abstaining to vote. It has been reaffirmed a number of times, but with waning support, and no new resolutions since.

Because that's exactly what it is - Russian aggression. The events that led to these conflicts were driven by internal Ukrainian politics, particularly the Euromaidan protests. The assertion that the West orchestrated these events ignores that Russia has been meddling in Ukraine long before 2014 to maintain their control. It ignores how they came about because of dissatisfaction with Russia's puppet, Yanukovych, and his corruption.

Your narrative distorts both history and the actual international consensus. The idea that there was "no violent conflict" before Western involvement is demonstrably false. Russia instigated violence by annexing Crimea in 2014 and fueling a war in Donbas with weapons, funds, and troops under the guise of supporting separatists. This was not a defensive move, it was an act of Russian aggression against Ukraine's sovereignty.

Your framing of the Minsk Accords ignores Russia's repeated failures to uphold their terms, including continuing to arm separatists and by escalating military action. Further, claims that Ukraine attacked "Russian economic interests" or "its own people" is propaganda created to justify Russia's aggression and their invasions. International observers have found no credible evidence of systemic persecution of ethnic Russians in Ukraine, but they have found plenty of evidence of Russian interference and atrocities.

Finally, your portrayal of international sentiment is wildly misleading. 141 out of 193 UN member states voted to condemn Russia's invasion and demanded an immediate withdrawal - that includes many from the Global South and even a member of BRICS. The only countries that opposed the resolution were Russia itself, Belarus, North Korea, Eritrea, and Syria. China, India, South Africa, Iran and 31 other countries abstained. There were later resolutions too that year, and in early 2023, that followed the same voting patterns.

Just because a country abstains doesn't mean they endorse Russia's aggression.

BRICS?

Brazil? They voted to condemn Russia's invasion and called for them to withdraw.
Russia? Well, it's obvious as they're they're the aggressor.
India? They voted to abstain, but still calls for respecting other country's sovereignty.
China? They voted to abstain, and pushes some of the same bullshyt justification for Russia's aggression.
South Africa? They abstained.

Edit:

I think supporting Ukraine as a response to Russian aggression is justified, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to the valid criticisms of how the situation's being handled. I'm not some pro-West cheerleader. I really believe a more multi-polar world is what's best for everyone. And that there's plenty to criticize here, especially when it comes to long-term planning, and even more so with the West's broader hypocrisy.

Authorizing deeper strikes into Russia is a risky move that could escalate the conflict further. And while Ukraine has made some progress tackling corruption, there's still a lot of work to do. Aid, especially financial and reconstruction support, should definitely come with major strings attached to push for real reforms that improve governance, transparency, and accountability.

Then there's the bigger picture of hypocrisy. The West claims to be supporting Ukraine to uphold international law, but that argument rings hollow when you look at its unconditional backing of Israel despite their blatant violations of international law and human rights in Palestine. Add to that the lack of meaningful concern on crises like Sudan, and it's hard to ignore the selective outrage for what’s "right" or "legal."

Having said that, I'm not going to start playing dumb about Russia just because they act as a foil to the West. Their actions don't suddenly become justifiable because of the West's double standards.

 

[Tony D'Amato]

 

[Dorian Breh]

Are yall biological humans in the U.S. or AI trolls?

Escalation will lead to Radiation...and not from the sun.

Real flesh and blood and ways of life are at risk here.

This is the Ultimate FAFO.

The nukes fly yet?

 

[Dorian Breh]

Well yeah, I'm arguing from a different point of view. Everyone can go and make up their mind and believe what they want.

Be honest, you just bought this account to start parroting this point of view but your english isnt good enough to do the job so you got LLMs ghostwriting

 

[And you]

Yea let’s start ww3 over a country that’s not even in NATO

 

[Wild self]

The nukes fly yet?

They only concerned because Putin himself is in bad health and can get merked by one of those missiles sent by Biden as his farewell gift. Don't listen to these fraudulent "might makes right" rah rah fake 'masculine' and 'thoro' TLR posters that will bow down and become females to 3rd world dictators.

 

[Dorian Breh]

They only concerned because Putin himself is in bad health and can get merked by one of those missiles sent by Biden as his farewell gift. Don't listen to these fraudulent "might makes right" rah rah fake 'masculine' and 'thoro' TLR posters that will bow down and become females to 3rd world dictators.

For them, might only makes right when its Russians doing it.

America is honor bound to do nothing with its own might, apparently.

 

[Wild self]

For them, might only makes right when its Russians doing it.

America is honor bound to do nothing with its own might, apparently.

Those are ironically the physically and mentally weak brehs that believe in that shyt

"I'm an OG and I think Putin is what we should aspire to be!"

 

[Dorian Breh]

Those are ironically the physically and mentally weak brehs that believe in that shyt

"I'm an OG and I think Putin is what we should aspire to be!"

Im an OG

But also pwetty pwease dont hurt Zaddy Putins feelings he might use his nuclear weapons and sign his countries death certificate

Who do goofies think hes gonna nuke? Ukraine?

His whole strategy is leveraging the current collapse of the Russian economy against the potential to earn it back by price gouging African countries with Ukrainian grain exports. If he drops a nuke hows he gonna farm any grain?

Notwithstanding that if he drops a nuke the entire Western Russia will get turned into a parking lot

 

[Wild self]

Im an OG

But also pwetty pwease dont hurt Zaddy Putins feelings he might use his nuclear weapons and sign his countries death certificate

Who do goofies think hes gonna nuke? Ukraine?

His whole strategy is leveraging the current collapse of the Russian economy against the potential to earn it back by price gouging African countries with Ukrainian grain exports. If he drops a nuke hows he gonna farm any grain?

Notwithstanding that if he drops a nuke the entire Western Russia will get turned into a parking lot

If Biden can take out Putin and Kim Jong Un in the next 2 months, Trump will have no real playground buddy to be a dictator with.

That's why these "thoro" brehs area are so scared of living in a world where a dictator gets killed for wrongdoing by a missile strike, because they themselves will know that they will not stand a chance.

 

[Dorian Breh]

If Biden can take out Putin and Kim Jong Un in the next 2 months, Trump will have no real playground buddy to be a dictator with.

That's why these "thoro" brehs area are so scared of living in a world where a dictator gets killed for wrongdoing by a missile strike, because they themselves will know that they will not stand a chance.

i'm hear for it

i know theres plenty of psychopaths in the CIA that have thirty different day of the jackal plans ready to go at the push of a button

let em have at it. we know they aint gonna do shyt.

not sure about killing Kimpossibly Retarded though, because his generals/cabinet taking over would probably be more dangerous than him.