Biden authorizes Ukraine to use US long range missiles for deeper strikes inside Russia

[Cave Savage]

What would the US do if China set up shop in Mexico and gave them the green light to strike Texas?

We got no business meddling with the neighbors of other super power countries. Hey Europe, hold your own nuts

If the US treated Mexico like Russia does Ukraine, they'd have a right to strike back

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This gotta be bizzarro world now. Used to be Republicans love war, but now it's the Dems pining to escalate this shyt. Joe left Trump with a possible gateway to WW3

Are you anti-all-wars?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Indeed Russia did do that. Guess what? Not our problem. Also, it does not belay the fact that Ukraine was considered corrupt long before the 2014 Russian coup.

Ukraine has never chosen the US as an ally. Ukraine debated joining NATO, which was a hardline for the Russians. Tensions escalated when the US and UK tried to soft nudge Ukraine into joining. This has been an ongoing issue for over 30 years. Every single US President has avoided declaring Ukraine an outright ally because of what it would mean for war escalations and how deeply unpopular it would be. This is the same reason the US has been very careful speaking on China-Taiwan relations.

The fact you think Russia's invasion has to be justified shows your ignorance of geopolitics and war. It is not the United States business to police Russia. When the US invaded Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, helped Israel bomb Palestine into the stone age, the Yemen bombings, etc - none of it was "justified". If Russia wants to invade Ukraine and you want to stick up for them, at the very least stop lying about it being for moral reasons. None of you give a fukk about the countries in the Middle East and Africa being torn apart by war for decades. You only care about Ukraine because Putin is the villain the Democrats and media told you to fear. You're a puppet, stop pretending that hand up your ass is comfortable.

Do you think Poland isn’t right bo e worried?

 

[IIVI]

Russia can always play the nuclear card and everyone starts listening.

I said it in the other thread, you either have that capability of you don’t.

It’s all games until a nuclear nation gets pushed too far,

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Indeed Russia did do that. Guess what? Not our problem. Also, it does not belay the fact that Ukraine was considered corrupt long before the 2014 Russian coup.

Ukraine has never chosen the US as an ally. Ukraine debated joining NATO, which was a hardline for the Russians. Tensions escalated when the US and UK tried to soft nudge Ukraine into joining. This has been an ongoing issue for over 30 years. Every single US President has avoided declaring Ukraine an outright ally because of what it would mean for war escalations and how deeply unpopular it would be. This is the same reason the US has been very careful speaking on China-Taiwan relations.

The fact you think Russia's invasion has to be justified shows your ignorance of geopolitics and war. It is not the United States business to police Russia. When the US invaded Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, helped Israel bomb Palestine into the stone age, the Yemen bombings, etc - none of it was "justified". If Russia wants to invade Ukraine and you want to stick up for them, at the very least stop lying about it being for moral reasons. None of you give a fukk about the countries in the Middle East and Africa being torn apart by war for decades. You only care about Ukraine because Putin is the villain the Democrats and media told you to fear. You're a puppet, stop pretending that hand up your ass is comfortable.

It's not about "policing Russia" but honoring commitments and opposing blatant violations of sovereignty. When Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons under the Budapest Memorandum, the US, UK, and Russia guaranteed Ukraine's security and territorial integrity. Russia has violated this agreement repeatedly, first by annexing Crimea in 2014, and now with its full-scale invasion.

Ukraine's past corruption doesn't justify Russia's aggression. And Russia's invasion is about controlling Ukraine, not defense.

Criticizing US actions in the Middle East is fair; I agree with you, but using that to excuse Russia's invasion is just a deflection.

 

[Sly Cookin]

If the US treated Mexico like Russia does Ukraine, they'd have a right to strike back

Then do you feel Palestine has a right to defend itself against Israel?

 

[Nascimento]

If you're gonna do a Mexico analogy, do it properly.

Let's say Mexico has always had regions with a substantial population of Americans (not an ethnicity but bear with me). Let's say the US has pipelines to South America through Mexico. Let's say the US has port access to seas from within Mexico (I know, makes no sense but keep up).

So, the situation is that the US has vital economic and security interests in Mexico. Therefore they have an outsized influence on what happens in Mexico and its government, which is only prudent. However there's no hostilities, it's peaceful relations and Mexicans are not at all interested in fighting about it. They are developing their economy just fine, IT industry sector and grain exports. The US is trying to recover from a highly corrupt, failed state-status, and is working on developing trade and its economy. They have been trying to break free from exploitive and damaging economic influence from their historical adversary that operates international institutions to its advantage.

Things would have been just fine developing like that. But here comes China, the historical adversary. They start to push for including countries in North and South America into their military alliance. This is in spite of the fact that the alliance is obsolete, as the US isn't being adversarial or confrontational, but would still be a boon to China's military industry nonetheless. They succeed in getting Canada and other countries surrounding America to join. The US is unhappy and protests peacefully through diplomacy.

China presses on and wants now to include Mexico and Cuba (Georgia IRL), which is unacceptable for the US as that would critically disrupt its ability to develop the country if there's a conflict. They make this unequivocally clear. China wants to put missile bases and build military forces in Mexico. The US can't live with this, just the same as decades prior when China would not tolerate American missile bases in Mongolia.

China overthrows the Mexican government, starts arming Mexican forces and they attack American populated regions. THIS is when hostilities and armed conflict begins. The US sees where things are headed and decides to annex an American populated region in Mexico that grants port access (Crimea IRL).

Mexican forces destroy economic and trade infrastructure of the US. Tens of thousands of people will be killed and millions of Americans will flee out of Mexico into the US. The US is STILL trying to solve this diplomatically, and a peace agreement is signed. The key point of the agreement is that Mexico remain neutral with no military presence from either side. But China violated the agreement right away and continues to arm Mexican forces. The fighting escalates.

War breaks out. After much fighting, the US has annexed regions where they have economic and security interests for Americans, and will hold on to these new territories because their counterparts have lost all credibility. They will not be able to trust any kind of agreement. They will hold these positions, and eventually China will get bored and move on to a different conflict zone. After all, they are known for pulling this same shyt all over the world, particularly in the Middle East and Africa.

Now back to reality. You see, "sovereignty" in this context doesn't mean shyt, yet this is the straw idiot posters here keep grasping at. That shyt already been violated by America and Ukraine when they attacked Russians and their economic interests inside Ukraine. The US is the aggressor, and the rest of the world seems to agree because they continue to work with Russia while America and its Western allies continue to isolate themselves.

 

[Diunx]

Putin will use nukes, and rightfully so. So many lines crossed by America/nato in the last 2 years alone

Rightfully so? You russian bots are fukking pathetic.

 

[Controversy]

If you're gonna do a Mexico analogy, do it properly.

Let's say Mexico has always had regions with a substantial population of Americans (not an ethnicity but bear with me). Let's say the US has pipelines to South America through Mexico. Let's say the US has port access to seas from within Mexico (I know, makes no sense but keep up).

So, the situation is that the US has vital economic and security interests in Mexico. Therefore they have an outsized influence on what happens in Mexico and its government, which is only prudent. However there's no hostilities, it's peaceful relations and Mexicans are not at all interested in fighting about it. They are developing their economy just fine, IT industry sector and grain exports. The US is trying to recover from a highly corrupt, failed state-status, and is working on developing trade and its economy. They have been trying to break free from exploitive and damaging economic influence from their historical adversary that operates international institutions to its advantage.

Things would have been just fine developing like that. But here comes China, the historical adversary. They start to push for including countries in North and South America into their military alliance. This is in spite of the fact that the alliance is obsolete, as the US isn't being adversarial or confrontational, but would still be a boon to China's military industry nonetheless. They succeed in getting Canada and other countries surrounding America to join. The US is unhappy and protests peacefully through diplomacy.

China presses on and wants now to include Mexico and Cuba (Georgia IRL), which is unacceptable for the US as that would critically disrupt its ability to develop the country if there's a conflict. They make this unequivocally clear. China wants to put missile bases and build military forces in Mexico. The US can't live with this, just the same as decades prior when China would not tolerate American missile bases in Mongolia.

China overthrows the Mexican government, starts arming Mexican forces and they attack American populated regions. THIS is when hostilities and armed conflict begins. The US sees where things are headed and decides to annex an American populated region in Mexico that grants port access (Crimea IRL).

Mexican forces destroy economic and trade infrastructure of the US. Tens of thousands of people will be killed and millions of Americans will flee out of Mexico into the US. The US is STILL trying to solve this diplomatically, and a peace agreement is signed. The key point of the agreement is that Mexico remain neutral with no military presence from either side. But China violated the agreement right away and continues to arm Mexican forces. The fighting escalates.

War breaks out. After much fighting, the US has annexed regions where they have economic and security interests for Americans, and will hold on to these new territories because their counterparts have lost all credibility. They will not be able to trust any kind of agreement. They will hold these positions, and eventually China will get bored and move on to a different conflict zone. After all, they are known for pulling this same shyt all over the world, particularly in the Middle East and Africa.

Now back to reality. You see, "sovereignty" in this context doesn't mean shyt, yet this is the straw idiot posters here keep grasping at. That shyt already been violated by America and Ukraine when they attacked Russians and their economic interests inside Ukraine. The US is the aggressor, and the rest of the world seems to agree because they continue to work with Russia while America and its Western allies continue to isolate themselves.

Caping for corrupt azz Mother Russia is despicable

And this Trump Administration is gonna let Russia do whatever they want, AGAIN...every Russian action outside of their borders undermines the US, every single one

Y'all nikkas minus whale move to Moscow

 

[itsyoung!!]

It's not about "policing Russia" but honoring commitments and opposing blatant violations of sovereignty. When Ukraine gave up its nuclear weapons under the Budapest Memorandum, the US, UK, and Russia guaranteed Ukraine's security and territorial integrity. Russia has violated this agreement repeatedly, first by annexing Crimea in 2014, and now with its full-scale invasion.

Ukraine's past corruption doesn't justify Russia's aggression. And Russia's invasion is about controlling Ukraine, not defense.

Criticizing US actions in the Middle East is fair; I agree with you, but using that to excuse Russia's invasion is just a deflection.

has the US or UK never violated or gone back on an agreement ever

 

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1/11
@Mylovanov
Russia’s economy is in worse shape than Ukraine’s. Russian Central Bank head Nabiullina admits it has nearly exhausted its resources.

Addressing parliament today, Nabiullina complained about

1. No people left. A record-low unemployment at 2.4%, worsening labor shortages 1/

2/11
@Mylovanov
73% of enterprises face labor shortages 2/



3/11
@Mylovanov
2. Production at its limits. Factory capacity utilization surpasses 80%, a record high 3/



4/11
@Mylovanov
“When an economy reaches the limits of its productive capacity while demand continues to be stimulated,” Nabiullina warned, “stagflation arises.” 4/



5/11
@Mylovanov
3. Credit bubble and isolation. Rising interest rates are driving up credit costs, commodity industries are losing Western markets, and defense factories are running at full capacity 5/



6/11
@Mylovanov
4. Slowing GDP growth. GDP growth slowed to 3.1% in Q3, down from 4.1% in Q2 and 5.4% in Q1. 6/



7/11
@Mylovanov
5. Stagflation. The Central Bank predicts near-stagnation next year, with GDP growth of 0.5%-1% and flat investment and private consumption. 7/



8/11
@Mylovanov
Bloomberg says that Russia’s elite describe grim economic conditions: Western company exits have weakened industrial capacity, import substitution lags, and mass mobilization has worsened labor shortages. 8/



9/11
@Mylovanov
Source in Russian X Набиуллина заявила об исчерпании почти всех ресурсов российской экономики - Русская служба The Moscow Times



10/11
@viies7
Please, collapse already

11/11
@Mylovanov
it will happen




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1/12
@TrentTelenko
Russia seems headed towards a February 1917 moment.

1. A kilogram of potatoes in Nov 2024 is 73% more expensive than in Jan 2024.
2. Interest rates reached 21% in Oct 2024
3. Mortgage rates have risen to 28%

1/
Russia economy crumbling with food prices skyrocketing as Putin's problems mount



2/12
@TrentTelenko
The Russian railway system is now falling apart.

It's not one thing, it is everything.

The Western ball bearing were the excuse for the Russian railway system to fire its entire maintenance department in 2013.

2/
РЖД на 10 дней остановили отправку контейнеров в крупнейший терминал Московского региона - Русская служба The Moscow Times

3/12
@TrentTelenko
~40% of Russian railway rolling stock is Soviet era vintage.

Russia went to 100% utilization of the Trans-Siberian railway in the late summer of 2021 and has stayed there ever since.

Those rail cars were not well maintained to start with, less Western bearings.

3/



4/12
@TrentTelenko
Finnish firms were also hired out to do some of the Russian engine maintenance before Feb 2022.

All of the above ended in April 2022.

This isn't the first time I've mentioned this subject.

4/

[Quoted tweet]
The Putin regime is not the Soviet Union of old.

I suggest you look at the rolling stock "age cohorts" in Russian Railway system to get an idea how badly it is suffering from a lack of engine/wagon roller bearings from SKF & Amsted, given 100% Trans-Siberian use since Nov 2021.

5/12
@TrentTelenko
Modern railway roller bearings last 2 million kilometers with good rails and reliable preventive maintenance cycles.

That is 108 round trips from Moscow to Vladivostok and back in about 63 months on an 80% usage rate.

5/

[Quoted tweet]
Russian railway car trucks (illustrative photo) rely upon Western SKF & Amsted cassette bearings that have not been supplied since May 2022 and the Russian co-production facilities were shut down from a lack of proprietary software...

3/

6/12
@TrentTelenko
The war has lasted 2 years ~9 months with 100% usage since 3rd qtr 2021

Things have gotten so clogged on the east-west pats of the Russian railway system that Russian companies are _Trucking_ railway rolling stock just to have the ability to move
6/

[Quoted tweet]
Russia's rail system is in such disarray that empty rail carriages are being moved by truck.
The increased use of roads will see an acceleration in their deterioration


https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1858216456523255808/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/_2OooSQwx9FMIYl4.mp4

7/12
@TrentTelenko
...product by train on other parts of the system.

Half of Russian engines and rolling stock may have burned out their Western bearings by now.

The bill for delayed/deferred maintenance has come due.

Plus, the Chinese rail bearing have far less

https://xcancel.com/TrentTelenko/status/1821249917350023506
7/

[Quoted tweet]
The Russian Railway monopoly is suffering a perfect storm of Western railway cassette bearing wear out, maintenance work force burnout, and administrative chaos between oligarchs owning rolling stock.

Now it is being over stressed by priority...

20/
t.me/vchkogpu/49636

8/12
@TrentTelenko
...life & require lubrication that Western bearings do not.

The Moscow Times article makes clear that lubricated Chinese bearings are not a real option for Russia as there is also a huge labor shortage for locomotive crews as well as for rolling stock.

Clip H/T @Prune602
8/

9/12
@TrentTelenko
The Russian rail system collapse sequence is as follows:

1st trains on remote Russian rail lines derail.

2nd more Russian trains on lines closer to Moscow derail.

3rd the Russian repair trains derail on the way to open derailments.

9/

[Quoted tweet]
Trains are derailing all over Russia: Freight train derailed and crashed into warehouses in Orenburg region.


https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1824131127281586178/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/ubvBQK76lQD7j-PT.mp4

10/12
@TrentTelenko
4th we see triage as the Russian rail system starts collapsing on a LARGE SCALE.

5th, Russian rail transport apocalypse

The Moscow Times article points to Russia closing in on #4.

Clip H/T @Prune602
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11/12
@TrentTelenko
@threadreaderapp unroll please



12/12
@Sweeegu
It says the issue is a shortage of employees, did i read it wrong??




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[The Realist Perspective]

I don't care if Russia takes Ukraine. I really don't.
Imagine, a US president instructing a foreign leader, one that is NOT a member of NATO, on how to engage the country he's at war with.
Imagine, the US openly involved in a proxy war half way across the globe.
Imagine, the audacity of the US trying to act as some sort of moral high ground global police force, dictating events half way across the globe.
Imagine, the leaders of this country being more concerned of provisioning weapons to a foreign, non NATO nation to the tune of billions of dollars.

They are not giving them money, a shill way say, they are giving them weapons!
Shill, they are not at the very least selling these weapons? Weapons that were paid for by YOUR tax dollar?

Biden should be thrown out of office and into jail. This fakkit is 80+ years old, actively endangering OUR future, when he doesn't have much left.
Yet you have idiots in here championing this, and saying he should have done this years ago.
What business is it of ours!

 

[Wild self]

I don't care if Russia takes Ukraine. I really don't.
Imagine, a US president instructing a foreign leader, one that is NOT a member of NATO, on how to engage the country he's at war with.
Imagine, the US openly involved in a proxy war half way across the globe.
Imagine, the audacity of the US trying to act as some sort of moral high ground global police force, dictating events half way across the globe.
Imagine, the leaders of this country being more concerned of provisioning weapons to a foreign, non NATO nation to the tune of billions of dollars.

They are not giving them money, a shill way say, they are giving them weapons!
Shill, they are not at the very least selling these weapons? Weapons that were paid for by YOUR tax dollar?

Biden should be thrown out of office and into jail. This fakkit is 80+ years old, actively endangering OUR future, when he doesn't have much left.
Yet you have idiots in here championing this, and saying he should have done this years ago.
What business is it of ours!

So Trump supporting Russia is 'honorable' and masculine?? You really want a dictatorship where you don't have a voice?

 

[The Realist Perspective]

So Trump supporting Russia is 'honorable' and masculine?? You really want a dictatorship where you don't have a voice?

So so so so Trump...! So binary. Why do you think I want any of this? I'm an anarchist at this point. These false corrupt leaders don't represent my interests. I don't recognize their "authority."

 

[Wild self]

So so so so Trump...! So binary. Why do you think I want any of this? I'm an anarchist at this point. These false corrupt leaders don't represent my interests. I don't recognize their "authority."

You be the first ones to say "King Trump" on some feminine passive shyt.