Hes not that bad. He brought literacy in Zimbabwe up to 85 percent which ultimately will help the nation as the youth learn to better observe and find solutions to the nations problems. He will be dead soon so the people who are being educated now should have a good chance of bring some slow prosperity to the nation. Those illegal blood diamond mines should help facilitate this as well. When you're at the bottom, some corners have to be cut on human rights.
Beware of the dragon: Africa should not look to China IQ2 Debate
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Hes not that bad. He brought literacy in Zimbabwe up to 85 percent which ultimately will help the nation as the youth learn to better observe and find solutions to the nations problems. He will be dead soon so the people who are being educated now should have a good chance of bring some slow prosperity to the nation. Those illegal blood diamond mines should help facilitate this as well. When you're at the bottom, some corners have to be cut on human rights.
Literacy is only one part of the picture, though. Without actual jobs and African-owned business (which China is making to sure to deny Africans as much as possible, Zimbabwe's specific situation included) there won't be too much of a difference in actual employment.
As for Mugabe's death, new leaders can't get rid of or change Chinese relations so easily. Look at Zambia. Sata got elected largely because he promised to kick the Chinese out or at least give Zambians more control over their own natural resources, but it's been years and nothing has changed because his hands are tied.
And cutting human rights is wrong, breh, as much as human rights rhetoric is often corny and ineffective. Africa has suffered enough of that already, and besides, how can they expect to have real growth when the actual people's opportunities are being robbed due to human rights violations?
Here are some more links about China in Africa:
http://somalilandpress.com/china-and-africa-colonialism-without-responsibility-21113
International - Max Fisher - In Zimbabwe, Chinese Investment With Hints of Colonialism - The Atlantic
China's Gift To Africa: Africa On The Rise My Foot! | AfricanLiberty.org
So all of these issues sound like problems with african leadership. To greedy and to heavy handed on the people. I guess africans have a ways to go because i dont think Tribalism is working in the best interests of the continent in a world where outsiders are out to use and discard of you. Still the influx and exploittion is ineveitable without african citizens taking up violence to end their problems. Without violence, there will be no change there and everything they fear will come to pass. It will be intersting seeing a african continent with a few hundred million chinese. I wonder how that will change the phenotype of the continent among blacks and arabs.
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Mowgli why do you love/defend Asians so much?
Why is China putting all this time and money and resources into increasing scientific literacy in Africa???
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110629/full/474560a.html
I need a clear answer about this. I know they are trying to exploit workers and get resources and all that, but y do this?
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/110629/full/474560a.html
I need a clear answer about this. I know they are trying to exploit workers and get resources and all that, but y do this?
This clown really said chinas capitalism is more ruthless than the cacs. 
The cac invades multiple nations and creates civil wars around the planet to get cheap prices. No one is on the cacs level but they're gonna get on their level and its gonna be drama when we all on that level.
The cac fukked up by being a demon because when people get on his bullshyt,
Its been reasonably peaceful because nations around the world have been playing catchup. When many nations can start saying fukk you.
The cac invades multiple nations and creates civil wars around the planet to get cheap prices. No one is on the cacs level but they're gonna get on their level and its gonna be drama when we all on that level. The cac fukked up by being a demon because when people get on his bullshyt,
Its been reasonably peaceful because nations around the world have been playing catchup. When many nations can start saying fukk you. This clown really said chinas capitalism is more ruthless than the cacs.
The cac fukked up by being a demon because when people get on his bullshyt,
Ur right, but this is not the reason I brought back this old ass thread.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
i think you are misreading it, there isnt anything special going on, the only novelty is that china is doing it, but american and european universities collab with african universities all the time and the the number of africans in american and european universities is huge
the article even says it
how do you think obama's dad got to the US? this isnt really anything new or groundbreaking aside from it being china
as far as the this actual thread, i think its irrelevant, africa will always be at the taken advantage of as long as the african education system is caca, china is not the key to african development, africa is the key to african development, china is simply another trading partner
K.O.D
CCP
China >
china is the better business partner for african countries they deal with african countries at eye level and share their knowledge. they build everything for an affordable price thus playing a significant role at creating opportunities for skilled and unskilled jobholders.
beside business and developments the biggest advantage in having a good relations with china is they don't apply divide and conquer in africa they don't feed on armed conflicts they don't rely on intimidation ploys they don't care who's side you are in the united nations.
african countries gots to be independent china and the emerging countries like brazil india indonesia malaysia etc can be very useful auxilleries
at world bank imf development aid and the c.i.a infested us embassies in africa
china is the better business partner for african countries they deal with african countries at eye level and share their knowledge. they build everything for an affordable price thus playing a significant role at creating opportunities for skilled and unskilled jobholders.
beside business and developments the biggest advantage in having a good relations with china is they don't apply divide and conquer in africa they don't feed on armed conflicts they don't rely on intimidation ploys they don't care who's side you are in the united nations.
african countries gots to be independent china and the emerging countries like brazil india indonesia malaysia etc can be very useful auxilleries
at world bank imf development aid and the c.i.a infested us embassies in africa
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
China >
china is the better business partner for african countries they deal with african countries at eye level and share their knowledge. they build everything for an affordable price thus playing a significant role at creating opportunities for skilled and unskilled jobholders.
beside business and developments the biggest advantage in having a good relations with china is they don't apply divide and conquer in africa they don't feed on armed conflicts they don't rely on intimidation ploys they don't care who's side you are in the united nations.
african countries gots to be independent china and the emerging countries like brazil india indonesia malaysia etc can be very useful auxilleries
hmm i dont know, i think that way of thinking is a recipe to get raped, i think fundamentally african nations have to start trading amongst themselves, other african countries should be the main priority
and i dont get why people think that china is the key to infrastructure, african nations should go to the bond market and raise their own money to build their own infrastructure, african countries have become so dependent on aid its created a mentality that aid is the key to development, it isnt
if other countries whether its china, europe or the us want to participate thats fine but if africans dont build their own infrastructure they are getting screwed
trade with the outside is good but african countries need to deal with things like in the video, i think this might be even more important than china or the west, its crazy that you cant easily transport soap from nigeria to ghana, that is unacceptable and nutty
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYFEoWwDvxY[/ame]
VerbalIntercourse
Banned
Africa can do business with China or they live in squalor and die Either way I don't care.
It's purely a business operation. China is leaving Africa with infrastructure that I doubt they could develop on their own. In the end, I think the operation is good for both sides.
Chinese businesses are trending away from hiring native Africans. Why not? In many interviews, Chinese business men complain about the African work ethic. There is Cheap labor all over the world. Things are made in China for a reason. Chinese are hard working people. why not hire a dependable brand?
It's purely a business operation. China is leaving Africa with infrastructure that I doubt they could develop on their own. In the end, I think the operation is good for both sides.
Chinese businesses are trending away from hiring native Africans. Why not? In many interviews, Chinese business men complain about the African work ethic. There is Cheap labor all over the world. Things are made in China for a reason. Chinese are hard working people. why not hire a dependable brand?
ogc163
Superstar
VerbalIntercourse
Banned
At this point you are just trolling right?
No. I am not.
Post Colonialism has shown the world that Africans need Foreigners more the Foreigners need them.
Where would Africa be without the billions of Foreign AID?
Show me an Africa that can stand on its own. I seriously doubt that it will happen. Nothing in Africa will happen without Africans begging and grovelling at the feet of the White man for money, Food, and weapons. That's what this whole stupid ass debate is about. China does business with Africa as equal partners= Bad to the Western Chauvinists. Whites giving scraps of Aid to Africa like an Unwanted kid on Child support= Good!
Sure, you'll counter with blah blah blah... it the fault of colonialism blah blah.. It's the fault of Europeans...Blah Blah.
Face the Facts. China was also enslaved by whites, Forced to accept a drug trade from the Europeans at the point of a gun, and had their country carved up by Britain, Japan, and the Dutch. They got the worst of Colonialism in East Asia, and now they are the legendary race of the Han. Excelling in every Diaspora on earth, and Every Han Chinese Country is a powerhouse of Intellect, economic activity and superior academic performance. Tell me what is the difference?
I can't find a single, decent, remotely true sentence in this post. Try harder.
