the world is so much more fully realized and interesting. I'm convinced the love for fallout 4 is mainly fanboys, because even on a systems level, there are better immersive sims that make fallout 4 look simple as fukk. Does it even have the level of depth as Human Revolution? A game that came out almost 5 years beforehand?
Just because something has better writing does not make it a better game. New Vegas has "better" writing than Skyrim, The Witcher 3, Mass Effect 2, Balders Gate 3 and all of those game DOG WALK New Vegas so what is your point your trying to make exactly? Its funny i think FNV is better in other ways than FO3 in more than just writing ( Character building, Quest design, World Building) so i guess i like the game more than you
New Vegas stands shoulder to shoulder with these games, my point is New Vegas is able to balance serviceable combat and exploration with the best characters and story in the entire series. While Fallout 4 makes visual and qol improvements but fails at everything else that makes an rpg interesting, Fallout 4 has more in common with 76 or early No Man's Sky when you look at what the game prioritizes, it's unimaginative.
No New Vegas does not stand shoulder to shoulder with those games wtf are you talking about? And Fallout 3 is a much better Immersive sim than New Vegas is but nice try. New Vegas made ZERO strides in the combat deportment from F03 and so help me god if you think that broken aim down sights mechanic ( if you can call it that) makes it better. And again no New Vegas had TRASH exploration all of the important POIs where right in your face so it didn;t feel as nearly as good as FO3 or FO4 where you stumble upon POIs. and also no Fallout 4 is not unimagitive you thier is WAY more creativity in FO4 than FNV im not sure how you can even deny that Gun crafting, settlement building, being able to go on raids, being able to build fukking robots, having your own vault wtf does New Vegas even do that is even remotely that creative???? When i say character building i mean character builds, when i say quest design i mean how many options to complete the quests/how satisfying they are which is mostly done through gameplay, when i say worldbuilding im talking about how interesting the world is which again is mostly done through gameplay WRITING means dialogue and stories that are being told. The lesson here today is New Vegas fanboys like to do this thing where they say a lot of stupid shyt and hope no one notcies, but when you confront them on what they way their entire argument falls apart lmaoooIt makes it a better immersive sim/rpg
New Vegas stands shoulder to shoulder with these games, my point is New Vegas is able to balance serviceable combat and exploration with the best characters and story in the entire series. While Fallout 4 makes visual and qol improvements but fails at everything else that makes an rpg interesting, Fallout 4 has more in common with 76 or early No Man's Sky when you look at what the game prioritizes, it's unimaginative.
hey genius, 'Character building, Quest design, World Building' is writing
You didn't listen to shyt i said so im not going to argue the schematics' of character building, quest design, world building lol. "its a bad fallout game" might be the dumbest argument i have ever heard but its one that im not surprised that a lot of New Vegas fanboys like to weakly spit out when thier backs are against the wall. That and the "it was made in 18 months". Lemme guess you think Resident Evil 4 is a bad resident evil game too good lord FNV fanboys are bottom of the barrel when it comes to basic thought. Imagine Bethesda made Fallout 5 isometric like the first two game for a minute then imagine people saying "oh well its a better fallout game than FO3,FNV and F04 because its isometric like the originalsSo this entire incoherent rant is covered in a single sentence of my reply
What you listed concerning gameplay elements like crafting, settlements and raids are non-essential and do nothing to add to the game as a story based rpg. Ask gamers what they love about the fallout series or their favorite moments, and not a single person is saying 'I loved building settlements in fallout 4'.
When I say those words, I'm using their actual meanings, not contorting them to fit my argument. Even if I entertained this terrible logic, it still makes no sense
'how satisfying the quests are', 'how interesting the world is' are features of good writing, they don't work if the writing is shallow, they become fetch quests. Good developers don't build a physical world then write story in order to justify it, they don't litter the world with quests then write dialogue for the characters afterward. Character, world building, and quests are first written out, you're talking about Fallout as if it's an MMO. You're also conflating 'character building' with the term 'character build'. When people say 'character building' they're referencing something like the reveal and subsequent quests about Benny throughout new vegas. If you invest time into certain quests, dialogue and explore the strip, a relatively one note antagonist becomes more layered and even sympathetic. The choice to have quests structured in a way to delay your more introspective conversation with Benny until you reach Caesars tent, is an example of good writing.
You like the Fallout 4 gameplay loop, that's cool, but it's a bad Fallout game compared to the others. Piling on busy work like settlement building isn't more creative, it's lazy.
" . Thats sounds fukking retarted right? THATS WHAT YOU NEW VEGAS FANBOYS SOUND LIKE!!! WHY ARE YOU GUYS SO fukkING STUPID!!!! EVERYTHING YALL SAY IS BORDERLINE MENTALIY ILL!! LIKE ITS IMPRESSIVE HOW MANY THINGS YOU STUPID MOTHAfukkAS GET WRONG!!! Oh yea nikka YOU said that Fallout 4 was uncreative just because YOU don't like those features does not mean its not valid and Fallout 4 is still a more creative game than New Vegas ever will be wether you and your anti Bethesda brigade like it or not. Oh yea i remind you that Fallout 4 SOLD more copies than New Vegas did so i think people really like the settlement building. Which brings me back to the original point New Vegas did not "upstage" Bethesda Fallout games you can like the game more sure but every single Fallout game made by Bethesda (except Fallout 76 fukk that game) was more successful critically and commercially than New Vegas and thiers nothing yall FNV fanboys can do about it.
THIS!!!I need new vegas remastered and ported to modern consoles yesterday
You didn't listen to shyt i said so im not going to argue the schematics' of character building, quest design, world building lol. "its a bad fallout game" might be the dumbest argument i have ever heard but its one that im not surprised that a lot of New Vegas fanboys like to weakly spit out when thier backs are against the wall. That and the "it was made in 18 months". Lemme guess you think Resident Evil 4 is a bad resident evil game too good lord FNV fanboys are bottom of the barrel when it comes to basic thought. Imagine Bethesda made Fallout 5 isometric like the first two game for a minute then imagine people saying "oh well its a better fallout game than FO3,FNV and F04 because its isometric like the originals
They not tryna get outshined again
i played on release so im hip but they didnt even have a full dev cycle. So much content was cut from the game story wise and its still better than any of the bethesda games from a narrative standpoint. The fame got rushed out then because of the bugs it got a low meta critic score which fukked obsidian out of bonuses.
Only big problem with fallout 3 was the ending. Made zero sense to not have the option to send in your supermutant companion instead of exposing yourself to lethal amounts of radiation.
