Best NBA players without a ring, and why Melo doesn't belong in the conversation

[Youhadasparkwhenustarted]

Melo was the second option with A.I there, and the first option with Billups there.

But what I'm saying is that he's a ball stopping volume scorer. A very good one, but one that will win a title as a No. 1 option? It would have to be a special situation, or, a situation with a superstar ball handler where the offense doesn't run through Mel.

Allen Iverson wasn't the first option in Denver, at best it was a 1a and 1b situation, but Melo was the more efficient scorer of the 2 and averaged more points in terms of the whole time the two was there. A.I. verbally conceded the team to Melo on more than one occasion.

This whole ballstopper shyt is overblown. In Denver the offense was uptempo and they got most of their points in transition, but when they were forced to play a half court style and run half court sets, Melo was a decent distributor from the post, and he averages more assists than most SF's in the league. Problem is, outside shooting was pretty spotty in Denver, with their best shooters being real streaky. Melo would get doubled and even tripled at times, but with no consistent shot making from anyone, he tried doing shyt by himself most of the time and got shut down( usually this happened playoff time, when the teams they faced were good enough to slow them down ), and that was pretty much the case come playoff time until Billups came.

You want a post player to facilitate, you gotta give him shooters, and those Denver Teams where primarily athletic finishers. Not saying those teams weren't talented, the pieces just didn't fit too great. Similar case this year down the stretch with so many players injured, no other offensive threats, and Melo had to take up a scoring load, if he would've tried facilitating it would've been to no avail and people would've just said he's deferring responsibility.

Edit: off topic, I just wanna use this line to laugh at Anthony Carter, he was fukking terrible

 

[23Barrettcity]

So, it's ok to quit on your team? You just rattled off a bunch of reasons to justify not playing hard. You can be a fan of Carmelo without this vehement defense.

And saying Lebron quiot vs. The Celts is unfair. He had a terrible game five, and that was about it.

Really ???? So stop defending Lebron I'm not saying melo is right but other players (magic ) didn't want to play with coaches and got them replaced . He want to win I'm defending him not excusing him . Back to Lebron he quit he played like trash and like he didn't care mysteriously before he left

 

[FTBS]

Tmac was better then then melo. I always thought he was underrated.

And I never said melo played well in the playoffs all the time(he was great 07-10) but he was facing better Competetion in the west, that's the point.
It's easier to get farther in the playoffs when your facing nobodies.

Carmelo and Lebron beat the same number of 50 win teams for the squad that drafted them. Lebron just starting beating good teams in the playoffs last year

It's like when nikkaz say, oh "AI and kidd took their teams to the finals".... Yeah But in a watered down eastern conference

That's nice but I wasnt' making that argument. I didn't say anything about Lebron or anyone else going to the Finals.

Melo, like all star players, got the props for his team getting to the playoffs early in his career. Unlike other star players playoffs Ls never stuck to him though. Why? Kobe caught heat for 1st round exits in the west with less talent.

The nikka has just barely made the playoffs in the East the last couple of years with Amare, Chauncey, and Tyson. The Knicks were headed to a 5 seed without him.

Address those things please kind sir.

 

[23Barrettcity]

Allen Iverson wasn't the first option in Denver, at best it was a 1a and 1b situation, but Melo was the more efficient scorer of the 2 and averaged more points in terms of the whole time the two was there. A.I. verbally conceded the team to Melo on more than one occasion.

This whole ballstopper shyt is overblown. In Denver the offense was uptempo and they got most of their points in transition, but when they were forced to play a half court style and run half court sets, Melo was a decent distributor from the post, and he averages more assists than most SF's in the league. Problem is, outside shooting was pretty spotty in Denver, with their best shooters being real streaky. Melo would get doubled and even tripled at times, but with no consistent shot making from anyone, he tried doing shyt by himself most of the time and got shut down( usually this happened playoff time, when the teams they faced were good enough to slow them down ), and that was pretty much the case come playoff time until Billups came.

You want a post player to facilitate, you gotta give him shooters, and those Denver Teams where primarily athletic finishers. Not saying those teams weren't talented, the pieces just didn't fit too great. Similar case this year down the stretch with so many players injured, no other offensive threats, and Melo had to take up a scoring load, if he would've tried facilitating it would've been to no avail and people would've just said he's deferring responsibility.

See now a.i. Gets the credit for the nuggets ??? These guys hate melo and won't give him credit for anything.
I remember the last playoff series in Denver jr smith played bad then blamed melo for not being able to overcome a bad performance by the team

 

[Black Hans]

I'm confused is it his fault or the team or coaching ??why does melo get all the blame ? Melo has always been in the playoffs what other star can say that not to mention look at kg why couldnt he get ot the first round the west was stacked look at them teams melo lost too the prime spurs , lakers etc melo gets no credit for succeeding in the west.

KG only had one year where he had any real alternatives and that was the year Sprewell and Cassell was on the T-Wolves. Melo's had Kenyon Martin, Iverson, and Billups and still ain't do shyt.

 

[23Barrettcity]

That's nice but I wasnt' making that argument. I didn't say anything about Lebron or anyone else going to the Finals.

Melo, like all star players, got the props for his team getting to the playoffs early in his career. Unlike other star players playoffs Ls never stuck to him though. Why? Kobe caught heat for 1st round exits in the west with less talent.

The nikka has just barely made the playoffs in the East the last couple of years with Amare, Chauncey, and Tyson. The Knicks were headed to a 5 seed without him.

Address those things please kind sir.

Well we were the. 6th seed the first year so that's not barely making it and our team got depleted in the trade , we were the 7 th seed the next year with a million injuries Anything else ??? You missed him carrying us into the playoffs ?
By the way melo was criticized but you acting like Denver is la or ny noone cares once the season over in the media. You hear people still talking about atl when they lose ? Only thing Denver had going for them was melo

 

[AVXL]

It's not excuse making I'm giving a reason . You guys aren't being logical and yes because melo turned a lottery team into a playoff team in one year so that gets credit.
Why didn't Lebron get to the finals more than one time before joining the heat ??? Who were the elite teams Lebron beat in the east with the cavs ? Let me guess his team sucked and his coach sucked????

Breh, why you making all these excuses for this nikka? Bottomline is he aint been out the first round, but once. Hes the only player yall fanboys consider a superstar who can say that. Lets not forget he has the WORST playoff winning percentage of any player with a minimum of 50 NBA playoff games. Try to spin that.

George Karl aint a good coach?

Melo aint neva had good teammates right?

The West was just TOO hard. Melo tried tho!





I'm amazed at the level of stannery for a player who hasn't won ANYTHING in the NBA

 

[23Barrettcity]

KG only had one year where he had any real alternatives and that was the year Sprewell and Cassell was on the T-Wolves. Melo's had Kenyon Martin, Iverson, and Billups and still ain't do shyt.

Really ? Those3 guys weren't on the same team and were all out of there prime , nene always hurt ( Kmart the moment he signed with them)plus he made the wcf with billups in 2009 how isn't that doing shyt
Wally z, the dude with the braids , they had about as much talent as the nuggets had . They both faced better teams While Lebron had the easier road they can't deny it .

 

[AVXL]

See You're Stupid So I Figure You Wouldn't Understand Me.

EVERY Player Should Be Rightfully Criticized. I Dont Know Where In My Post You Somehow Think He Shouldn't Be Criticized Or Is Unfairly Criticized . I Was ONLY Speaking On The Remarks Of Confused Idiots Such As Yourself Who Either Paint Him As A "Franchise Player" Or "Another Danny Granger" Depending On How You Feel Like Judging Him Based On The Argument Your In

@ baseless insults. Stay classy kolo

He's neither. He's a second tier star player in this league. He's not a superstar, but he's not a borderline all star either. He's an All Star caliber player yr in & yr out, but he ain't a 1st team all NBA player. That's all. It ain't complicated, but now basketball heads are starting to change the story on Melo & properly reassess him. In order for Melo to win a title, he's gonna have to go play DWade somewhere, he's not winning it as the main star

 

[mvp_status]

I been an low-key Melo stan since he was Syracuse but he had WAY more help than KG did in Minnesota

 

[23Barrettcity]

Breh, why you making all these excuses for this nikka? Bottomline is he aint been out the first round, but once. Hes the only player yall fanboys consider a superstar who can say that. Lets not forget he has the WORST playoff winning percentage of any player with a minimum of 50 NBA playoff games. Try to spin that.

George Karl aint a good coach?

Melo aint neva had good teammates right?

The West was just TOO hard. Melo tried tho!





I'm amazed at the level of stannery for a player who hasn't won ANYTHING in the NBA

Answer my questions and say what I say isn't true ?? Isn't mike brown a good coach he led those cavs teams to great records ? Why did the cavs get swept by the spurs , But the nuggets didn't ?
George Carl is a good coach and melo had some team mates but there were better teams , bron had team mates too

 

[Jram]

Allen Iverson wasn't the first option in Denver, at best it was a 1a and 1b situation, but Melo was the more efficient scorer of the 2 and averaged more points in terms of the whole time the two was there. A.I. verbally conceded the team to Melo on more than one occasion.

This whole ballstopper shyt is overblown. In Denver the offense was uptempo and they got most of their points in transition, but when they were forced to play a half court style and run half court sets, Melo was a decent distributor from the post, and he averages more assists than most SF's in the league. Problem is, outside shooting was pretty spotty in Denver, with their best shooters being real streaky. Melo would get doubled and even tripled at times, but with no consistent shot making from anyone, he tried doing shyt by himself most of the time and got shut down( usually this happened playoff time, when the teams they faced were good enough to slow them down ), and that was pretty much the case come playoff time until Billups came.

You want a post player to facilitate, you gotta give him shooters, and those Denver Teams where primarily athletic finishers. Not saying those teams weren't talented, the pieces just didn't fit too great. Similar case this year down the stretch with so many players injured, no other offensive threats, and Melo had to take up a scoring load, if he would've tried facilitating it would've been to no avail and people would've just said he's deferring responsibility.

Edit: off topic, I just wanna use this line to laugh at Anthony Carter, he was fukking terrible

This is fair. I was just telling you what I think it's going to take for him to win a title as a No.1 option.

I'm not one of the people here holding him down because of his teams, though. I'm doing it because his production doesn't stack up.

 

[AVXL]

Answer my questions and say what I say isn't true ?? Isn't mike brown a good coach he led those cavs teams to great records ? Why did the cavs get swept by the spurs , But the nuggets didn't ?
George Carl is a good coach and melo had some team mates but there were better teams , bron had team mates too

Breh this thread ain't about Bron or any other player BUT Melo. Stop deflecting & changing the subject. You want Melo to be considered a superstar, but then you quick to make excuses when the results ain't there. Make up your mind breh...you Melo fans want it both ways

 

[Bruh Man 5th Flo]

hmmmmmm..i wonder if the shoe would be on the other foot if the Lakers/Spurs/Mavericks of the 00's played in the east.......



yes, Melo should get alot of the blame, but i'm not gonna sit here and say that he had an easy road.......year in and year out melo has had the short end of the stick....

that yr they went against the lakers in the WCF lets not forget that they were 2 "fukked up anthony carter inbounds" away from a finals where they would of manhandled the magic......

also his first yr in NY.....billups hurt, amare hurt, and melo was still giving everything he had at the celtics dropping huge numbers....


melo is a top 5 individual talent, even KOBE BRYANT said Melo is the toughest player to guard individually in the league.....Lakers had NO answer for him that series

HOWEVER......Melo still have to be more of a leader and lets the offense flow......there are times when the ball gets to his hands and never leaves unless its for a shot......Amare was putting up MONSTER numbers before melo came.......one of them have to be moved. A retooled Knick team can beat the heat with the right pieces, but Amare would have be moved for those pieces.


anyways, to disrespect melo in any way is the same as disrespecting durant, dwight, cp3, deron,rose, love, blake, etc....because none of them won shyt.....

so i guess by the logic here Barkley, ewing, malone, stockton, price, penny, hill, yao, kj, kemp, tmac, bernard, mully, nash, c-web, nique, reggie, marovich, the iceman and AI weren't shyt because they didn't win a ring right???


fukk outta here....some of you guys are straight

status with some of your remarks as to why a player isn't good

Melo will be a HOF player, deal with it

 

[thelonious21]

No on this site broy world win 5 rings since he's better than melo

Roy is my guy