Bernie Sanders Unveils his Medicare for All Plan

[FAH1223]

It's the opposite, actually.

 

[Gus Money]

I just told you why. Some things simply need to be FORCED. Just like you have to FORCE people to pay for roads, schools, police, etc. If you gave people a choice into paying taxes, most people would opt out and it would be the fukking wild west out here.

It's the cost of living in a society, man.

Because the government isn't providing health insurance to everyone and thus the employer system is the next best way to cover as many people as possible.

My issue with your view is that you make it seem as though the benefits are one sided. Many companies are not legally obligated to offer insurance but they do so anyways because it attracts better talent. Also health care costs are tax deductible by the company and as you're well aware these are costs that are passed down onto the consumer.

Do you also believe employers shouldn't be liable for social security taxes? Medicare taxes? How about employment or workers comp? I think it's more an issue of creating a system that's easier to manage, because the alternative is that the government manages these programs and funds them through direct taxation.

@DEAD7

 

[88m3]

PBS is saying Bernie doesn't have a cost analysis yet

 

[FAH1223]

 

[FAH1223]

 

[re'up]

One issue I see, as far as voters, may be obvious, but the mostly right wing contingent, who are so self defeated and hateful, they view "medicare for all" as "entitlements for minorities or "real poor folks". They want to "earn their healthcare" or whatever.

 

[hashmander]

we move sooo slow -______-

that's why elections are especially important. we're gonna move slow regardless so why move forward slowly under one president and then allow the other party to get power and move us slowly backwards and then we elect the other party the next time around and move slowly toward where we should have been 6-10 years prior.

 

[DEAD7]

Because the government isn't providing health insurance to everyone and thus the employer system is the next best way to cover as many people as possible.

My issue with your view is that you make it seem as though the benefits are one sided. Many companies are not legally obligated to offer insurance but they do so anyways because it attracts better talent. Also health care costs are tax deductible by the company and as you're well aware these are costs that are passed down onto the consumer.

Do you also believe employers shouldn't be liable for social security taxes? Medicare taxes? How about employment or workers comp? I think it's more an issue of creating a system that's easier to manage, because the alternative is that the government manages these programs and funds them through direct taxation.

This is how it should be across the board.

Deferring cost may be the American way but its a huge part of our problem. If Americans paid full cost we'd already have a single payer...

I think it's more an issue of creating a system that's easier to manage, because the alternative is that the government manages these programs and funds them through direct taxation.

I dont see this as a bad thing...
I believe people would make better decisions if bad decisions werent being subsidized.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

This is how it should be across the board.

Deferring cost may be the American way but its a huge part of our problem. If Americans paid full cost we'd already have a single payer...

I dont see this as a bad thing...
I believe people would make better decisions if bad decisions werent being subsidized.

It's not deferring cost. It's called spreading risk.

There's a reason every other wealthy industrialized nation has a health care system where he government plays a major role. It's not perfect by any means but it provides the greatest balance of cost control and positive health outcome.

What bad decisions are you talking about?

 

[hayesc0]

Thank you Bernie.

 

[DEAD7]

It's not deferring cost. It's called spreading risk.

What bad decisions are you talking about?

The people voting against their best interest(whatever you believe those to be).
I think when we defer cost we misrepresent what is actually going on.

As I stated before, not as many people would oppose govt. involvement in healthcare if they had to pay the full cost themselves... i doubt many people even know what the cost are for the services they are receiving... and thats a problem to me.
The people dont even know they are being ripped off because of this defer cost system.

 

[No1]

Berndawg

 

[re'up]

Kamala sounds really good.....If she isn't the one now, she could be soon.

 

[GnauzBookOfRhymes]

The people voting against their best interest(whatever you believe those to be).
I think when we defer cost we misrepresent what is actually going on.

As I stated before, not as many people would oppose govt. involvement in healthcare if they had to pay the full cost themselves... i doubt many people even know what the cost are for the services they are receiving... and thats a problem to me.
The people dont even know they are being ripped off because of this defer cost system.

I honestly don't think you know what you believe.


Anyone else know what Dead is trying to say? Maybe I'll understand the argument coming from someone else.