Join in the discussion. The title is accurate, albeit sensationalist if you take it to mean Sanders doesn't want any reforms.
Bernie Sanders Does Not Want To Abolishing Police Departments
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88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Certainly helps explain why you're willing to look at this as a education and wage issue and accept that at face value
You're turning into one of the worst arguers on this board. Still can't comment without making false claims, can you? Still can't answer those two questions, can you?
* Name one time in your eight years on this board that you ever advocated for more radical police reform than what Bernie just called for.
* Name one time in your eight years on this board that you ever called out Clinton or any other centrist for not going far enough on police reform.
Since you've substantially proven that the answer to both those questions is, "You can't because you didn't", it's really past time to STFU. You're a Democrat establishment clown faking militancy because you don't like Bernie. Get over it.
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
Here's the thing I've already refuted both and the later has no bearing on this thread. Not a trick question. When the Dems controlled the house/senate/white house and in state issues here when I was calling for police reform that was directed at who? You're being purposefully obtuse at this point. I'm not going to dig through hundreds of threads I made and thousands of posts when I have a business to run during a pandemic but I won't be spoken down to about an issue I'm genuinely passionate about either. I've already said I don't have an issue with Bernie's letter to Schumer but it reads more as wishlist than something can get done at the moment. What I do have a really big issue with Bernie presenting this as an education and wage issue and not directly calling for more money to be allocated to black people and minorities who are being policed to death instead of addressing and fixing the underlying social issues in the community. That's my opinion and it isn't going to change. Bernie got it wrong and this kids gloves approach response from him isn't acceptable and should be beneath any clear thinking person. You're not interested in talking about his comments on increasing police wages and education either just personally attacking me and trying to label me a x. It's okay to agree to disagree but don't question my motives because I want criminal justice reform as much as anyone.
Everyone else in the thread is still talking serious solutions for police reform. You've been content to keep delivering one-liners against your perceived enemies. That's why I call you a clown.
Bernie didn't present it as an "education and wage issue". He barely mentioned, only at the end of the 5th point out of 8 points, that we should hire better cops. Every other point was about holding the cops more accountable and 4 of the 8 points specifically dealt with race/civil rights issues, including increased funding. You let a Trump supporter in the OP frame the narrative and decided that this would be a great opportunity to play political games rather than be serious.
You keep calling it "fence sitting", "kids gloves", "pandering to middle class white people".....yet I am STILL waiting for you to quote a single time in 8 years of posting where you advocated for a more serious, more radical plan. Trying to simultaneously claim that Bernie is trying to reach too far AND pander too much to the middle just makes you look like a dumbfukk throwing whatever shyt you can against the wall.
DrunkerThanAMotherfucker
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Bernie is a pro-labor politician, in what universe do we live in that people are bewildered and feel duped that he would call for better wages & education for a profession. He’s not going to pick and choose what kind of labor he wants to elevate because of political expediency.
And that point only constituted a portion of his overall proposal, of which the other portions are of much more significance in terms of reforming law enforcement.
And that point only constituted a portion of his overall proposal, of which the other portions are of much more significance in terms of reforming law enforcement.
The problem is when you're calling it radical reform when there is a serious movement calling for the defunding of the police.
You guys are being purposefully obtuse.
Sanders police form isn't radical just because it's broad and it isn't anything ground breaking on a discussion that's been going on for nearly 50 years at the least.
That doesn't mean it doesn't hold value, but he's not leading the current charge on police reform
The problem is when you're calling it radical reform when there is a serious movement calling for the defunding of the police.
You guys are being purposefully obtuse.
Sanders police form isn't radical just because it's broad and it isn't anything ground breaking on a discussion that's been going on for nearly 50 years at the least.
That doesn't mean it doesn't hold value, but he's not leading the current charge on police reform
But @88m3's criticism was that Sanders's plan was too unrealistic and doesn't have a chance of passing.
It would be radical reform. If he actually got all of that shyt you'd have mass resignations of cops across the country, shyt would be crazy (not that that would be a bad thing). The fact that it's been argued before doesn't make it any less radical because it has NEVER actually happened before, or even came close. It is the radical edge of what is possible and now is the time to move on it.The problem is when you're calling it radical reform when there is a serious movement calling for the defunding of the police.
You guys are being purposefully obtuse.
Sanders police form isn't radical just because it's broad and it isn't anything ground breaking on a discussion that's been going on for nearly 50 years at the least.
That doesn't mean it doesn't hold value, but he's not leading the current charge on police reform
Didn't you attack the "Abolish ICE" movement and the "Universal Health Care" movement on virtually the exact opposite logic?
You've always said shyt like, "The incremental approach is better" and "when you talk about sweeping change people resist out of fear and uncertainty" and "attempting to radically change everything turns people off"
There are progressive policies that voters are really clamoring for and that should be the priority. Similarly they should be palatable, popular, and able to be implemented.
If you can't succeed all of these purity politics are worthless and will result in failure.
Constantly attack Bernie on "purity politics" until he actually proposes something that has a chance of passing (though still too radical according to 88m3), and then you switch it up and attack him for not being on the radical edge that 60% of voters find completely unreasonable.
There's a police brutality thread. You can use it. Bernard is irrelevant right now.
AnonymityX1000
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No wonder you have the third most replies in here.
He's a US Senator with much more influence than he had 5 years ago. The biggest policy shop staff in the US Senate. And if Dems win Senate, he is the Budget Chairman. So no, he is not irrelevant at all.
You also keep posting in this topic
I know you dislike the man, but keep it a buck.
Bernie Sanders isn't leading the charge on police reform.He's a US Senator with much more influence than he had 5 years ago. The biggest policy shop staff in the US Senate. And if Dems win Senate, he is the Budget Chairman. So no, he is not irrelevant at all.
You also keep posting in this topic
I know you dislike the man, but keep it a buck.
To be honest, he hasn't led the charge on pushing much meaningful legislation throughout his career.
Like I said, he's irrelevant to this conversation because he isn't offering anything that others haven't already put out there.
I keep posting because you sensitive men get in your feelings anytime someone criticizes Sanders.
Stop quoting me to talk about this man. His time is up.
