Bernie Sanders Does Not Want To Abolishing Police Departments

[Bunchy Carter]

Bernie Sanders pushes back on idea of abolishing police departments

Fadel Allassan

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) Photo: Mandel Ngan/AFP via Getty Images

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) distanced himself from the idea of abolishing or defunding police departments in a wide-ranging interview with the New Yorker published Tuesday, instead calling for more training and higher pay for officers as part of sweeping criminal justice reform.

Why it matters: The "defund the police" movement has gained traction among activists and some progressives in the wake of George Floyd's death. The goal is to redirect police funding toward housing, public health, education and other resources that would increase quality of life for black communities.

Sanders received criticism from some progressives for proposing better resources to ensure police officers are paid attractive wages.

• "Do I think we should not have police departments in America? No, I don’t. There’s no city in the world that does not have police departments."
• "What you need are — I didn't call for more money for police departments. I called for police departments that have well-educated, well-trained, well-paid professionals."
• "And, too often around this country right now, you have police officers who take the job at very low payment, don't have much education, don't have much training—and I want to change that."

The big picture: Sanders called for the "transformation of police departments" that pares back the responsibilities of officers as it relates to dealing with mental health or addiction issues.

• Sanders said the killing of George Floyd at the hands of police officers "is part of a very, very long pattern" which was even more common in the past, but has gotten more attention recently because of groups like Black Lives Matter and the ACLU.
• "So this has gone on for decades, and I think the major transformation that's coming now is a result of cell phones and video cameras. People are seeing what's actually happening, which was not the case decades ago. But this has gone on, and it's got to end. It has absolutely got to end."

Sanders said the issue of police brutality needs to be addressed in "a very, very aggressive way, pointing to a set of proposals he sent to Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) last week that seeks to establish independent police conduct review boards for departments and lower the standard for prosecuting officers.

• "We've got to start investing in education and jobs, not more jails, not more incarceration, and we have to hold every police officer in this country accountable for what he or she does. And when those police officers break the law and commit acts of murder or violence, they have got to be held accountable."
• "I think we want to redefine what police departments do, give them the support they need to make their jobs better defined. So I do believe that we need well-trained, well-educated, and well-paid professionals in police departments."
• "Anyone who thinks that we should abolish all police departments in America, I don't agree."

Via: Bernie Sanders pushes back on idea of abolishing police departments

 

[DEAD7]

 

[OfTheCross]

Bernie Sanders is not a crazy person

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I'm not sure what the specifics are he's pushing for but in broad terms I agree.

We need much better trained, better qualified, more accountable cops. Not just any aggressive high school graduate willing to go to academy for six months.

We also need to dismantle every department with a pattern of brutality, so that there are true existential/financial consequences for abuse.

Those two points aren't in opposition to each other.

 

[Pressure]

Cops aren't bad because they're underpaid and undertrained.

 

[morris]

Also need to test a lot of former military. Most never saw any real action and are dying to test their shooting skills on real people.

And mental tests/social checks.

Hell, social media makes it much easier now.

 

[88m3]

swing and a miss

 

[88m3]

I'm not sure what the specifics are he's pushing for but in broad terms I agree.

We need much better trained, better qualified, more accountable cops. Not just any aggressive high school graduate willing to go to academy for six months.

We also need to dismantle every department with a pattern of brutality, so that there are true existential/financial consequences for abuse.

Those two points aren't in opposition to each other.

I'm not sure if treating the police as some marginalized group is really the way to go...

 

[Professor Emeritus]

I'm not sure if treating the police as some marginalized group is really the way to go...

Saying that we need to stop hiring uneducated cops, aim for better material and then hold them to higher standards and more accountability is "treating the police as some marginalized group"?


Higher Learning breh, there's other options if you want to go down that route.

 

[88m3]

Saying that we need to stop hiring uneducated cops, aim for better material and then hold them to higher standards and more accountability is "treating the police as some marginalized group"?


Higher Learning breh, there's other options if you want to go down that route.

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it's offensive, I'm sorry that you don't see it that way

saying the police need better wages and more access to resources is frankly insulting

 

[Professor Emeritus]

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it's offensive, I'm sorry that you don't see it that way

You made an idiot statement. When challenged, all you can do is say "juelz".

Like I said, this is Higher Learning, if you want to play dumb there are other forums for you.



He literally said that he wants to stop hiring uneducated cops and instead pay more so that they can recruit better qualified professionals instead.

He also said that officers need to be held more accountable. "we have to hold every police officer in this country accountable for what he or she does. And when those police officers break the law and commit acts of murder or violence, they have got to be held accountable". That's an issue he's been consistent on going back years.


Your one-sentence response to that was nonsensical. And you can't explain yourself when challenged. Don't be embarrassing.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Here is the actual letter Sanders sent Schumer on June 2. This is what idiots are bytching about:

Sanders Calls for Sweeping Reforms in Senate Democrats’ Policy Response to Police Violence

The Honorable Charles Schumer
Minority Leader
United States Senate
U.S. Capitol, S-221
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Minority Leader Schumer:

Thank you for moving forward on a robust legislative response to the long-standing problem of police violence and misconduct. Now is the time to implement the far-reaching reforms that will protect people and communities that have suffered this violence for far too long.

As we consider a legislative approach, I request that the following items be included in the final proposal:

• Amend federal civil rights laws to allow more effective prosecution of police misconduct by changing the standard from willfulness to recklessness.
  
  
• Abolish “qualified immunity,” so police officers are held civilly liable for abuses.
  
  
• Prohibit the transfer of offensive military equipment to police departments.
  
  
• Strip federal funds from departments that violate civil rights.
  
  
• Create a federal model policing program that emphasizes de-escalation, non-lethal force and culturally competent policing that would be tied to enhanced federal funding for communities that implement the programs and decreased/eliminated funding for those that do not. As part of this effort to modernize and humanize police departments we need to enhance the recruitment pool by ensuring that the resources are available to pay wages that will attract the top tier officers we need to do the difficult work of policing.
  
  
• Provide funding to states and municipalities to create civilian corps of unarmed first responders to supplement law enforcement, such as social workers, EMTs, and trained mental health professionals, who can handle order maintenance violations, mental health emergencies, and low-level conflicts to aid police officers.
  
  
• Require agencies to make records of police misconduct publicly available.
  
  
• Require all jurisdictions that receive federal grant funding to establish independent police conduct review boards that are broadly representative of the community and that have the authority to refer deaths that occur at the hands of police or in police custody to federal authorities for investigation. In addition, the boards would be authorized to report to federal authorities other types of abuses by police including patterns of misconduct. This would be supplemental to current federal authority to commence investigations. Clearly, we need to enhance federal funding for such investigations.

I believe each of these proposals will contribute greatly to the eradication of police violence in this country. Thank you again for your consideration and I look forward to continuing to work with you and our colleagues to seriously address an intolerable situation in this country.

Sincerely,

Bernard Sanders, United States Senator

Anyone who thinks that's a bad proposal needs to have their head examined. The ONE line people started bytching about was, "we need to enhance the recruitment pool by ensuring that the resources are available to pay wages that will attract the top tier officers we need to do the difficult work of policing." If you are too stupid to realize that paying shytty wages attracts shytty cops, then I guess you better be resigned to shytty cops.

 

[88m3]

You made an idiot statement. When challenged, all you can do is say "juelz".

Like I said, this is Higher Learning, if you want to play dumb there are other forums for you.



He literally said that he wants to stop hiring uneducated cops and instead pay more so that they can recruit better qualified professionals instead.

He also said that officers need to be held more accountable. "we have to hold every police officer in this country accountable for what he or she does. And when those police officers break the law and commit acts of murder or violence, they have got to be held accountable". That's an issue he's been consistent on going back years.


Your one-sentence response to that was nonsensical. And you can't explain yourself when challenged. Don't be embarrassing.

It's 4am don't expect an essay

His fence sitting is exhausting and this pandering routine that does to the white middle class disgusts me.

I'll try and write something up later today that suits your liking.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

It's 4am don't expect an essay

His fence sitting is exhausting and this pandering routine that does to the white middle class disgusts me.

I'll try and write something up later today that suits your liking.

You're a die-hard Clinton supporter who thinks Hillary Clinton is "fundamentally honest and trustworthy", yet you're accusing Sanders of fence-sitting and pandering to the White middle class.





Look at all that White middle-class pandering there.

 

[88m3]

You're a die-hard Clinton supporter who thinks Hillary Clinton is "fundamentally honest and trustworthy", yet you're accusing Sanders of fence-sitting and pandering to the White middle class.

Clearly the white middle class need another handout. Bernie nailed it. The crowd goes wild. More free education and wages for police ie the white middle class who will then go on to oppress minorities.



All in the name of voters who abandoned the Dem party and any sense of decency decades ago


This is in the same vain as Bernie skipping over black voters and going to Grand Rapids or wherever the fukk he thinks these moderate dems still exist.

He's an absolute joke