Bernie needs to connect with black voters. Here’s how that’s going.

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You addressed this in one of your earlier posts. Most of the polls are driven by name recognition right now. There's a reason why Biden and Bernie top those lists.

Warren and Bernie have a lot of overlap. Her strategy appears to be drop big policy proposals and directly address the nose consistent black primary voters in the south. If she makes it to the final 3 on the debate stage watch out!


I find this to particularly to be the frustrating part about Bernard. He has a good voting, legislative and activist record, but seemingly stumbles over himself when he easily shouldn't. It comes across an inorganic or worse inauthentic. Someone else addressed it, but it's like he's trying to remember talking points.
I was the one who brought up the trying to remember talking points issue. Bernie has a great voting record on most issues for African Americans but he isn’t comfortable talking in those terms because he has spent his entire career talking about collective issues. He can speak to that off the dome because it is natural to him where talking about race specifically isn’t something he has had to do for the last 30 years. Even his endorsement of Jessie Jackson wasn’t fixated on race. It was about the actual platform and the idea of a rainbow coalition. Warren’s policies benefit everyone as well but she is better at pointing out how specifically they will benefit African Americans. She will give the entire breakdown and then say that is why I am passing blank. It is usually a universal policy besides her housing policy but she understands how to focus on the race specific issues and she does it no matter the audience.
 

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I was the one who brought up the trying to remember talking points issue. Bernie has a great voting record on most issues for African Americans but he isn’t comfortable talking in those terms because he has spent his entire career talking about collective issues. He can speak to that off the dome because it is natural to him where talking about race specifically isn’t something he has had to do for the last 30 years. Even his endorsement of Jessie Jackson wasn’t fixated on race. It was about the actual platform and the idea of a rainbow coalition. Warren’s policies benefit everyone as well but she is better at pointing out how specifically they will benefit African Americans. She will give the entire breakdown and then say that is why I am passing blank. It is usually a universal policy besides her housing policy but she understands how to focus on the race specific issues and she does it no matter the audience.
That's what I was referring to. Thanks.
 

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Que Bernie bros reminding us he walked with Martin like that means anything
actually, that means a lot. you have to realize something. just because they show us pictures of people marching and it looking like everyone marched. MOST PEOPLE DIDNT. a lot of black people didnt like martin doing the stuff he was doing because it shook things up for them and they didnt want that smoke. Whites back then didnt like king at all for the most part and they surely didnt like other whites fraternizing with the black guy they hated. It was not a popular move to be a white dude and march with a bunch of black people, or even a bunch of students back then. So sorry it means a lot. It means some of what he says is really who he is and has always been that. bernie unlike any other politicians running has a 30 year history of saying the same thing. we can pull up video clips of him from the 90's. saying the same thing.

now sure bernie's policies are universal-ism policies.they are not specifically aimed at any one group of people based on race/sex/religion etc. however the policies would surely help those minority groups a great deal. is he the best candidate black people could have? No. is is the best one if the field for black people? probably. warren is right there with him.

and for those that keep saying he doesnt have a plan. You're lying. the plans have been broken down enough. it's simple, why do i get it but non of you bernie haters dont? its because you dont want to get it.

Bernie's plans are simple. Take from the rich what they have taken from middle and poor. and give it back to the middle and poor. How are they going to pay for this? re-read what i just said. The ultra rich have more than enough money that can be taxed at a nice enough rate to pay for all of his policies.
 

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Except its nothing new. You have a sizable amount of people who are sick of "both sides" and the "norm" of politics whether justified or not. This is what drove the appeal FOR SOME people to vote for Trump and snub other Republicans in the Primary because he was outside of either party. They enjoyed him shytting on fellow republicans like little marco and lying ted as much as they enjoyed him shytting on Democrats because there is a perception that these people are all part of a crony class of politicians.

It's not by mistake that Bernie Sanders uses the term "revolution" a lot in his political rhetoric and there is an audience for it. The perceived establishment class yelping every time its done only strengthen this rhetoric.

It's a legit tactic. I don't understand why these people get so offended by it. Its not that confusing.

"Democrat" is a label. Its weird there are a lot of people attached to a descriptor, seemingly more than the ideological beliefs usually associated with said descriptor.

Joe Manchin is a Democrat. fukk that guy.
 

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Not the best argument I have ever heard you make tbh. Using that argument one could say trust the GOP because they abolished slavery. Bernie has often had a one size fits all approach to politics that isn't translated in the real world. Liz Warren adjusted and took up well thought out, explained nuanced positions. Bernie feels like he just keeps giving more of the same. I may be wrong, but that's how I see it based on what I read and see.
:laff: what...this one of the worst analogies I've ever read in HL
 

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I'm voting for Warren or Biden.

Bernie lost me months ago :camby:
 

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actually, that means a lot. you have to realize something. just because they show us pictures of people marching and it looking like everyone marched. MOST PEOPLE DIDNT. a lot of black people didnt like martin doing the stuff he was doing because it shook things up for them and they didnt want that smoke. Whites back then didnt like king at all for the most part and they surely didnt like other whites fraternizing with the black guy they hated. It was not a popular move to be a white dude and march with a bunch of black people, or even a bunch of students back then. So sorry it means a lot. It means some of what he says is really who he is and has always been that. bernie unlike any other politicians running has a 30 year history of saying the same thing. we can pull up video clips of him from the 90's. saying the same thing.

now sure bernie's policies are universal-ism policies.they are not specifically aimed at any one group of people based on race/sex/religion etc. however the policies would surely help those minority groups a great deal. is he the best candidate black people could have? No. is is the best one if the field for black people? probably. warren is right there with him.

and for those that keep saying he doesnt have a plan. You're lying. the plans have been broken down enough. it's simple, why do i get it but non of you bernie haters dont? its because you dont want to get it.

Bernie's plans are simple. Take from the rich what they have taken from middle and poor. and give it back to the middle and poor. How are they going to pay for this? re-read what i just said. The ultra rich have more than enough money that can be taxed at a nice enough rate to pay for all of his policies.
EXACTLY.

They know what they're doing. They're playing dumb. They're just scared of Bernie's revolution succeeding. They like things the way they are. They're afraid of real, substantive, material change.
 

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actually, that means a lot. you have to realize something. just because they show us pictures of people marching and it looking like everyone marched. MOST PEOPLE DIDNT. a lot of black people didnt like martin doing the stuff he was doing because it shook things up for them and they didnt want that smoke. Whites back then didnt like king at all for the most part and they surely didnt like other whites fraternizing with the black guy they hated. It was not a popular move to be a white dude and march with a bunch of black people, or even a bunch of students back then. So sorry it means a lot. It means some of what he says is really who he is and has always been that. bernie unlike any other politicians running has a 30 year history of saying the same thing. we can pull up video clips of him from the 90's. saying the same thing.
yeah I get that he uses it randomly but like if there's anything to brag about it's being on the same side as MLK in the 60's lol. he was unpopular as shyt. he would've been bushed on here for his thoughts on Vietnam

"It hurt him politically and it hurt his standing in the black community," Carson said. "Many black leaders criticized him.
Most Americans didn't approve of Martin Luther King Jr. before his death
 

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Maybe because the bill is bullshyt

The Bill gives people entering the medical field access to implicit bias training, as well as establishes a pregnancy medical home demonstration program. It doesn't require they take it, nor incentivizes the taking of the training. Its hot air designed to get headlines.
That isn’t the point.
 

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EXACTLY.

They know what they're doing. They're playing dumb. They're just scared of Bernie's revolution succeeding. They like things the way they are. They're afraid of real, substantive, material change.
Cut the shyt. Listen. You are not going to get radical change out of Bernie Sanders. Not only does he not have any substantive detailed plans to get anything done, there is also something called the United States Congress. If Bernie was so interested in widespread change he would not have wasted his last 30 years trying to create a constituency to hear his ideas and to read towards supporting his policies. He’s wasted his time in Congress and now it’s time for more competent people who can at least put points on the board to get in and take the ball away from him. He’s not doing anything but pump faking. Stop thinking that he alone what overnight turn this into Anything resembling a utopia of any sort.

Even trump is largely legislatively a fukking failure.

We need people who get layups, rebounds, assists, and possession minutes.

You can’t dunk on every possession. Get over it.
 

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When Hillary won those southern primaries, you said name recognition couldn't possibly be a factor. :umad:
This doesn't even make sense. I said the polls at this point are largely driven by name recognition.



Polls from this time in 2015(Clinton compared to her closest challenger) :

VA: +74
NC: +45
TEXAS: +50
Florida: +55

Primary results:

VA:+29
NC: +14
TEXAS:+32
FLORIDA: +31


The polls at this time were clearly driven by name recognition. In September 2015 when they floated a Biden run he immediately jumped over Bernie in many polls just off of name recognition. When he pulled out you saw the polls shift again among undecided voters.

Name recognition. :yeshrug:
 

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yeah I get that he uses it randomly but like if there's anything to brag about it's being on the same side as MLK in the 60's lol. he was unpopular as shyt. he would've been bushed on here for his thoughts on Vietnam

"It hurt him politically and it hurt his standing in the black community," Carson said. "Many black leaders criticized him.
Most Americans didn't approve of Martin Luther King Jr. before his death
This isn't Bernie specific. When we discuss Cummings you hear the same rhetoric among black people. :manny:

shyt comes across as :flabbynsick:
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