Conway the better MC but Benny putting out the better projects ... way better projects
Benny the Butcher x Harry Fraud - The Plugs I Met Vol -II (Discussion Thread)
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Heavy_Handz
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That’s not even a question. I was listening to this all day yesterday & had it banging in the whip & I was thinking to be honest no matter how much fire snippets I’ve heard of Conway’s GDMM album I still don’t think it will bang like Benny shyt always does. It’s just different
Heavy_Handz
Superstar
Rell Lauren
Banned
I streamed it once on YT and liked it, bought the cd for my car
Heavy_Handz
Superstar
It’s funny tho because normally I’m underwhelmed mostly by his production but on this one I thought he really brought his A game
That's MY opinion. This wasn't a good effort from Fraud.
jilla82
Superstar
I slightly agree.
I find Jay and Benny similar in the fact that the core of their music is always about the 'come up'...
...its lyrical shyt talking...going from underdog to the victor.
Thats where both of them excel.
I think the weak point on this is the hooks.
this the most split I've seen people on a Benny tape since he's went on his run.
the guy that wrote the review of the album for Pitchfork has to dabble in fiction. its so dramatic, quite enthralling and kind of funny.
Benny the Butcher / Harry Fraud: The Plugs I Met 2
An acolyte of Jay-Z’s pre-“retirement” oeuvre, Benny internalized the elder rapper’s ideal of hustling as a stepping stone to the C-suite. But as Griselda approached rap stardom, even that ladder had been pulled up: there’s no modern-day equivalent to heavy rotation on turn-of-the-century Hot 97 or 106 & Park, just like there’s no analogue for the working, touring musician in the age of COVID and Spotify. It makes a certain sense that the heir of ‘97 Hov would also be a Facebook scammer. What is drug dealing if not a pyramid scheme? How else are we supposed to get rich now?
But Benny and his collaborators never stoop to empty homage. “Longevity” has the most enthralling Jim Jones verse in years, delivered from the perspective of a grizzled veteran who, glory days behind him, has begun to fear obsolescence. His recollections are relayed in an uneasy wheeze: “If you a hustler in the street, well, here’s some candid advice/Dope is an iPhone wet, to save it, you jam it in rice/But you probably never cooked up a thousand grams of the white.” It’s like the wistful final act of every mafia movie—half the wiseguys are washed-up dads, the other half are six feet under, and distance throws everything into devastating relief.
In happier times, Benny wouldn’t make a very sympathetic protagonist: he’s a bully who neither relishes nor laments a life of organized crime. But as in the most riveting contemporary grifter sagas, there’s a vicarious, revenge-fantasy thrill in a shameless crook betraying the trust and institutions that failed the rest of us. There’s nothing left to lose and everything to gain.
stop it slime.
thats the most pointless verse I've heard in a minute. has some of the goofiest shyt you'll hear all year in it.
he's going to have to call up Axel Leon or somebody to write his shyt now that Fred sadly passed.
at the height of his fame doing guest verses, you might've not even got a full sixteen from Jim because the adlibs were so long
you get a Jim Jones verse now and he's giving them a 40 clip. shyt is wild.
the guy that wrote the review of the album for Pitchfork has to dabble in fiction. its so dramatic, quite enthralling and kind of funny.
Benny the Butcher / Harry Fraud: The Plugs I Met 2
An acolyte of Jay-Z’s pre-“retirement” oeuvre, Benny internalized the elder rapper’s ideal of hustling as a stepping stone to the C-suite. But as Griselda approached rap stardom, even that ladder had been pulled up: there’s no modern-day equivalent to heavy rotation on turn-of-the-century Hot 97 or 106 & Park, just like there’s no analogue for the working, touring musician in the age of COVID and Spotify. It makes a certain sense that the heir of ‘97 Hov would also be a Facebook scammer. What is drug dealing if not a pyramid scheme? How else are we supposed to get rich now?
But Benny and his collaborators never stoop to empty homage. “Longevity” has the most enthralling Jim Jones verse in years, delivered from the perspective of a grizzled veteran who, glory days behind him, has begun to fear obsolescence. His recollections are relayed in an uneasy wheeze: “If you a hustler in the street, well, here’s some candid advice/Dope is an iPhone wet, to save it, you jam it in rice/But you probably never cooked up a thousand grams of the white.” It’s like the wistful final act of every mafia movie—half the wiseguys are washed-up dads, the other half are six feet under, and distance throws everything into devastating relief.
In happier times, Benny wouldn’t make a very sympathetic protagonist: he’s a bully who neither relishes nor laments a life of organized crime. But as in the most riveting contemporary grifter sagas, there’s a vicarious, revenge-fantasy thrill in a shameless crook betraying the trust and institutions that failed the rest of us. There’s nothing left to lose and everything to gain.
Bruh. Fat Joe smoked this shyt.
stop it slime.
thats the most pointless verse I've heard in a minute. has some of the goofiest shyt you'll hear all year in it.
he's going to have to call up Axel Leon or somebody to write his shyt now that Fred sadly passed.
Jim Jones is a beast
at the height of his fame doing guest verses, you might've not even got a full sixteen from Jim because the adlibs were so long
you get a Jim Jones verse now and he's giving them a 40 clip. shyt is wild.
listening now. up to Plug Talk, that sample for the beat is 2/2 in my opinion
El Camino used it to, i dont listen to the song past Camino verse
El Camino used it to, i dont listen to the song past Camino verse
TheDarceKnight
Veteran
Definitely true, but I have to say that Conway's ability to A&R his projects to make them more well-rounded and more versatile is definitely improving.That’s not even a question. I was listening to this all day yesterday & had it banging in the whip & I was thinking to be honest no matter how much fire snippets I’ve heard of Conway’s GDMM album I still don’t think it will bang like Benny shyt always does. It’s just different
IMHO Conway and Benny are meeting in the middle. Conway was the better emcee and Benny made the better projects. But in the past year or so, Conway has been improving the quality of his projects, and Benny has been improving the quality of his emceeing.
TheDarceKnight
Veteran
The sample on Overall reminds me of this
Heavy_Handz
Superstar
I agree with that. I just need Conway’s next album GDMM to be on some next level shyt because I’ve heard snippets that sound fire before but when you get the finished product either the hook is lazy and uninspiring or it’s just missing something. I really need Conway to step up and deliver that classic album I know he has in him
TheDarceKnight
Veteran
I don’t know, but I know Conway is dropping something on April 2nd.Benny dropping something next Friday?
TheDarceKnight
Veteran
100. I'm with you.I agree with that. I just need Conway’s next album GDMM to be on some next level shyt because I’ve heard snippets that sound fire before but when you get the finished product either the hook is lazy and uninspiring or it’s just missing something. I really need Conway to step up and deliver that classic album I know he has in him
There's definitely some joints on God Don't Make Mistakes that have either scratch hooks, sample based hooks, or no hooks (Lock Load, Piano Love, You're The One, Cocaine Paradise, and John Woo Flick). I know he said he might get a female vocalist to sing a hook on the album's title track (it's on youtube wrongly titled as The Cow 2). The hook on Stress sounds dope. It reminds me of some old 50 Cent shyt.
Conway's hook game definitely ain't like Benny's. And sometimes when he does the 50 style half-singing on the hooks I like it (Serena Venus, Gold BBS's, and Everything But Jesus) and sometimes I don't like it (Lemon Squeeze, Trump, and Losses to Blessings)
I'd like to see Conway develop a hook game that doesn't involve the 50 style singing.
