Beanie Sigel Responds To Dame Dash Saying Jay-Z Ruined His Life & Being Hurt He Chose Jay-Z Over Him

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Vol 3 dropped,December 28, 1999.


Wiki says the single "Anything" dropped Feb 15,2000.



Beanie Sigel's The Truth dropped the end of Feb. Now I know your going to say that "Anything" was on Beans album.


But you don't think Beans has a point? If someone hears Anything and likes it. Do you think they are going to go buy Beans album or Jayz's album thinking Anything was probably on there:mjlol:? I don't know how many people that actually happened to,so we will never know. Then a month after Beans drops, Jay drops Big Pimpin:francis:.



So you’re kind of ignoring the fact that Jay dropped an album before Beans,but he's still working that album on top of Beans release. I didn't look into his other albums so I don't know if that's the case. But he has a point with his debut imo.
dude any promo for a artist like Sigel is welcomed. Dude had a solo jay z song on his album with two other features. Not to mention Sigel being on the lead single to Jay most anticipated album at that point.

this shyt crazy
 

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dude any promo for a artist like Sigel is welcomed. Dude had a solo jay z song on his album with two other features. Not to mention Sigel being on the lead single to Jay most anticipated album at that point.

this shyt crazy


What good is the promo,if your individual promo is overshadowing my promo because your the bigger star:gucci:?

You have to at least acknowledge Beans has a point on that one,whether it was intentional. If Beyonce does two features on Kelly Rowlands album,but then drops a surprise release and huge single around the time of Kellys album release. Your argument is Kelly should just be grateful for Beyonce's help because she got the features lol?

jay Z never needed SP. Sigel made the wrong move staying with Dame. Then he made an even dumber move by thinking 50 cent wanted him. Not to mention that BEYONCÉ line in his dis. Going to the radio talking shyt. That’s why Jay not fukking with him like that. Not over him being a dumbass criminal. Jay couldn’t trust him anymore from what I see


Individually no,but being a part of and the head of an iconic hip-hop label puts you in a different stratosphere historically. It also put him in a positive light from an executive standpoint. I don't think he gets that Defjam job if he was just a nice rapper. So they definitely served a purpose in terms of his musical legacy imo.

And your right,and I agree with you. It's just all the Jay became too mature and had to leave them behind nonsense,and downplaying everyone else's role that I don't like. "Make another Hov" is a hot line,but he was in fact helped to get to what he became.
 
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What good is the promo,if your individual promo is overshadowing my promo because your the bigger star:gucci:?

You have to at least acknowledge Beans has a point on that one,whether it was intentional. If Beyonce does two features on Kelly Rowlands album,but then drops a surprise release and huge single around the time of Kellys album release. Your argument is Kelly should just be grateful for Beyonce's help because she got the features lol?




Individually know,but being a part of and the head of an iconic hip-hop label puts you in a different stratosphere historically. It also put him in a positive light from an executive standpoint. I don't think he gets that Defjam job if he was just a nice rapper. So they definitely served a purpose in terms of his musical legacy imo.

And you’re right,and I agree with you. It's just all the Jay became too mature and had to leave them behind nonsense,and downplaying everyone else's role that I don't like. "Make another Hov" is a hot line,but he was in fact helped to get to what he became.
kelly Rowland was known as long as Beyoncé. Not a Good comparison. She didn’t need Beyoncé to help. She dropped her debut before Beyoncé coming off a smash with Nelly. Beans didn’t make music for the masses. Beans debut had no commercial appeal at all. So once again any promo for his debut was needed. Anything made me buy Sigel debut day one instead of waiting. Sigel maxed out his potential At being a gold artist. Hardcore street didn’t sell. DMX selling crazy was the exception but even he had a love song on his debut. Nore had way bigger hits than Sigel and is only a gold artist. Same for Kiss, Same for Prodigy. Beans legal and health issues ruined the back half of his career. W
 

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What good is the promo,if your individual promo is overshadowing my promo because your the bigger star:gucci:?

You have to at least acknowledge Beans has a point on that one,whether it was intentional. If Beyonce does two features on Kelly Rowlands album,but then drops a surprise release and huge single around the time of Kellys album release. Your argument is Kelly should just be grateful for Beyonce's help because she got the features lol?




Individually no,but being a part of and the head of an iconic hip-hop label puts you in a different stratosphere historically. It also put him in a positive light from an executive standpoint. I don't think he gets that Defjam job if he was just a nice rapper. So they definitely served a purpose in terms of his musical legacy imo.

And your right,and I agree with you. It's just all the Jay became too mature and had to leave them behind nonsense,and downplaying everyone else's role that I don't like. "Make another Hov" is a hot line,but he was in fact helped to get to what he became.
Have you ever thought about what people really wanted Jay to do?

To totally stop rapping and caring about his career

To be a glorified babysitter of grown men

Let 2 others eat off him for the rest of his life

Don’t mind dame trying to make moves with the company behind his back and spend money as he wished

Go down with the ship

Like no one sees what was going on from his side?

Like I said it was all 3 that fukked it up

It’s the blame on one person that gets me
 

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This Jay dropped when I dropped and the subsequent defenses is an exact example of the kind of new era social media narrativizing by washed up rappers. and everyone else. You can just run with any narrative now.

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The way you are laying that out, artists would leave, what, 6 months before dropping? That wasn't how the business model even worked based on what I know. Jay having Anything on The Truth was an intentional assist to sell records, when it dropped, either The Source or XXL said in it's interview that Beanie would never know how much his debut album would have sold. Find that review and it's in there. I read in that year.
 

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This Jay dropped when I dropped and the subsequent defenses is an exact example of the kind of new era social media narrativizing by washed up rappers. and everyone else. You can just run with any narrative now.

@Still Benefited

The way you are laying that out, artists would leave, what, 6 months before dropping? That wasn't how the business model even worked based on what I know. Jay having Anything on The Truth was an intentional assist to sell records, when it dropped, either The Source or XXL said in it's interview that Beanie would never know how much his debut album would have sold. Find that review and it's in there. I read in that year.


It wasn't a well thought out assist,no matter how y'all try to minimize it:mjlol:



People KNOW Jay-Z has an album out. So if they hear a Jay-Z single and they like it,they might go buy the Jay-Z album. And Beans has buzz without Jay-Zs song being on his album. So let's not act like people ran to go cop that album who had no interest in Sigel.

Plus wasn't "Anything" released as a single? People who wanted that song could've just bought the single. It's not like they made it only available on Beans album.



How are you going to say I'm pushing a narrative,when you pushed a narrative that Beans was completely lying.


I made no hardline narrative,other than that he could have a point about 1 album:gucci:. Or that I could at least see how he might see it that way.
 

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kelly Rowland was known as long as Beyoncé. Not a Good comparison. She didn’t need Beyoncé to help. She dropped her debut before Beyoncé coming off a smash with Nelly. Beans didn’t make music for the masses. Beans debut had no commercial appeal at all. So once again any promo for his debut was needed. Anything made me buy Sigel debut day one instead of waiting. Sigel maxed out his potential At being a gold artist. Hardcore street didn’t sell. DMX selling crazy was the exception but even he had a love song on his debut. Nore had way bigger hits than Sigel and is only a gold artist. Same for Kiss, Same for Prodigy. Beans legal and health issues ruined the back half of his career. W


I remember hearing Beans go to to toe,arguably outshine Nas on Puff Daddy's album. Then I remember hearing Beans on "Crew Love" off the Belly soundtrack. Pretty good placements that he probably got because of Jay/Def Jam. So nobody's saying Jay-Z didn't help him. But Beans definitely helped himself,and I didn't buy his debut for no damn "Anything":mjlol:


I do even agree he maxed out. But I don't think Jay made him or anything. I think he could've went gold on his own on Def Jam if he was getting similar placements(No Jay-Z),and shining and outshining like he was.


I just don't see the issue with the man reconciling if he could've been bigger. And saying he used to wonder why they would have Jay promoting his album on top of his. Can't believe y'all don't see his point



Alos Beans did have a single with Eve on that album. That song was well received and more his lane. Introspective is what's found Beans his success. Feel It In The Air is his most popular single
 

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But same thing with Sigel as Jay. Both would've probably had the same or similar success without each other. Jay-Z most definitely would have. But Rocafella as a label and brand helped both of them. Beans 1000% contributed to that.
 

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It wasn't a well thought out assist,no matter how y'all try to minimize it:mjlol:



People KNOW Jay-Z has an album out. So if they hear a Jay-Z single and they like it,they might go buy the Jay-Z album. And Beans has buzz without Jay-Zs song being on his album. So let's not act like people ran to go cop that album who had no interest in Sigel.

Plus wasn't "Anything" released as a single? People who wanted that song could've just bought the single. It's not like they made it only available on Beans album.



How are you going to say I'm pushing a narrative,when you pushed a narrative that Beans was completely lying.


I made no hardline narrative,other than that he could have a point about 1 album:gucci:. Or that I could at least see how he might see it that way.

The song wasn't available anywhere in the US but The Truth, and yes months later, but in those days, it was the only option. Because Anything didn't work for Vol. 3 they scrapped it and threw it on Sigel's to get some more sales. There's no realy way to assess whether it worked or not, but I can tell you I bought that shyt partially for Remember Them Dayz, partially for Anything

I bought The Truth around April 2000, I was 14 years old and I knew how how to discern what songs were on what albums. Because in the store I would look at the tracklist.
 
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I remember hearing Beans go to to toe,arguably outshine Nas on Puff Daddy's album. Then I remember hearing Beans on "Crew Love" off the Belly soundtrack. Pretty good placements that he probably got because of Jay/Def Jam. So nobody's saying Jay-Z didn't help him. But Beans definitely helped himself,and I didn't buy his debut for no damn "Anything":mjlol:


I do even agree he maxed out. But I don't think Jay made him or anything. I think he could've went gold on his own on Def Jam if he was getting similar placements(No Jay-Z),and shining and outshining like he was.


I just don't see the issue with the man reconciling if he could've been bigger. And saying he used to wonder why they would have Jay promoting his album on top of his. Can't believe y'all don't see his point



Alos Beans did have a single with Eve on that album. That song was well received and more his lane. Introspective is what's found Beans his success. Feel It In The Air is his most popular single
Im sorry Beans on his own not selling much with the music he put out. He was too raw at the beginning. Now Roc the Mic Sigel could have maybe went gold with no Jay. But he became that being around Jay
 

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Im sorry Beans on his own not selling much with the music he put out. He was too raw at the beginning. Now Roc the Mic Sigel could have maybe went gold with no Jay. But he became that being around Jay


Theres really no difference from Sigel and Kiss.
If your in that mold of nikkas that had BARS,and got good placements to showcase that. Gold was very doable for those artist. And remember them Days with Eve was a good single. Sigel just needed to stay away from Club records really.
 
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