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The playoffs are still fun. The tension between pitches in an important at-bat is some crazy shyt. A lot of drama there.

But I'm not a fan of how the game is structured with so many teams that are irrelevant. I'm not saying there should be a salary cap... maybe contraction. I'm not cool with one franchise spending $150M+ to field a team and another spending $40M. Something wrong with that picture.

The extension of the playoffs will now help small market teams get into the crap shoot on a more consistent basis but it also lessens the meaning of regular season games.

How many teams are irrelevant?

Pirates, Royals.................and that's it. Everyone else has been in the postseason this decade.
 
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It's not about making it once and then losing all of your players to free agency or having to trade them away and start over. It's about consistency.

The A's are relevant? So what they made the playoffs a few years. They had a great pitching staff that came up all at once. That was a once in a lifetime kind of team and then they lost every key player they've had and were't able to replace them.

Tampa is a great organization but I doubt even they will be able to sustain their recent success. A lot of them building a great farm system had to do with losing for 10 years straight and having top picks every year.
 

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OK, how many teams are irrelevant then?

It's not only about the financial gap anyway. There are 'poor' teams that are consistently competitive and there are 'rich' teams that are consistently terrible.
 
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It's not only about the financial gap anyway. There are 'poor' teams that are consistently competitive and there are 'rich' teams that are consistently terrible.

You have to spend to be able to field a championship team on a consistent basis. Look at the Rangers. They didn't always have a high payroll but now they do and they're lucky because of the contracts they've signed.. it's a big market they should be able to sustain it.

All the top teams in terms of 2012 salary are consistent winners. Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Cardinals, Angels, Giants... they are all in the top ten.

The bottom five are the Padres, Astros, A's, Pirates, and Royals. None of them are spending over $60M.

You can say that they should be spending more.. but the key is, they aren't So in my view, they are irrelevant and look at their records. They are terrible. Only the Pirates are playing well right now but we've seen that story before.. they'll come back down to earth and even if they do hold on and make it this year... Will they keep their top players and sustain it?

It's a broken system. Those teams will never have a streak of winning teams. They will always be rebuilding. The Yanks and Sox can sweep terrible contract after terrible contract under the rug and come back the next year and spend more. These teams have to be PERFECT with how they draft and make moves. Bryan Cashman doesn't have to do anything but write checks.
 

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My problem with baseball is the money that's given out to these players.

For example... Andre Either before this season was arguably a glorified platoon player, fast forward to this season and he parlays a hot start (in a contract year mind you) into a 5 year 85 million dollar contract.
The money these guys make is disgusting.. but Ethier is not a platoon player:stopitslime:
 

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You have to spend to be able to field a championship team on a consistent basis. Look at the Rangers. They didn't always have a high payroll but now they do and they're lucky because of the contracts they've signed.. it's a big market they should be able to sustain it.

All the top teams in terms of 2012 salary are consistent winners. Yankees, Phillies, Red Sox, Cardinals, Angels, Giants... they are all in the top ten.

The bottom five are the Padres, Astros, A's, Pirates, and Royals. None of them are spending over $60M.

You can say that they should be spending more.. but the key is, they aren't So in my view, they are irrelevant and look at their records. They are terrible. Only the Pirates are playing well right now but we've seen that story before.. they'll come back down to earth and even if they do hold on and make it this year... Will they keep their top players and sustain it?

It's a broken system. Those teams will never have a streak of winning teams. They will always be rebuilding. The Yanks and Sox can sweep terrible contract after terrible contract under the rug and come back the next year and spend more. These teams have to be PERFECT with how they draft and make moves. Bryan Cashman doesn't have to do anything but write checks.

Only even the Yankees are cutting payroll and utilizing their minor league system more because they don't want to pay the penalties that now come with the luxury tax. I've always said the Yankees spend because they can, not because they want to.
 

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I blame the Yankees, not for their spending, but for the fact they dominate the media and everyone (should) hate them
 
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Only even the Yankees are cutting payroll and utilizing their minor league system more because they don't want to pay the penalties that now come with the luxury tax. I've always said the Yankees spend because they can, not because they want to.

I don't think they would be as concerned with the luxury tax if George was still alive. Hank and co. don't exactly have a passion for the sport. It's strictly a business to them, nothing more.
 

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I stopped fukking with baseball when they fukked over Barry Bonds and the rest of the ppl that saved the sport but mostly bc of the way they treated Bonds.
 

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Might as well bail now cause Barry isn't getting in 1st ballot. No one connected to steroids is getting any sort of break. And he was an a$$hole to those who are voting now...so good luck.

It will be a shame, but it's going to happen.
 
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He may be connected to steroids but he never failed a test. These writers are going to hold that over his head because of some evidence that the feds supposedly uncovered and yet.. most of the charges were dismissed.

It's not right. Even if he was roided up what does it matter? He was facing roided up pitchers. Roids vs. Roids and guess what? He put together a string of years that will NEVER be duplicated.

Only fat ass Babe Ruth comes close and he only played against other out of shape white guys.
 
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