Bar for Bar who's the better emcee? Jadakiss or Andre 3000

[JustCKing]

it was actually jermaine dupri but go head.

Jermaine tried to explain his hand in Atlanta's rise, but failed. He had Kriss Kross, but you wouldn't know they were from Atlanta by listening to their music. With JD, his ties to Atlanta didn't really become obvious until the Bass compilations, which didn't take off until after Kast and Goodie blew up. JD had R&B groups that were huge, but Atlanta already had established R&B acts. He said he introduced the world to Atlanta's strip clubs and was paying magazines to cover Atlanta. If he blew the city up, he wouldn't be paying magazines, they would be flocking to the A to cover artists. Kast came out and Puff came to shoot videos in the A.

 

[DrunkerThanAMotherfucker]

I have never seen anyone outside of East Coast guys in their late 20s to mid 30s every drop Jadakiss in a conversation, let alone quote one of his lyrics (maybe besides the GW Bush line lmao)..

This is a disrespectful thread. Andre is infinite leagues ahead of Jada in terms of songwriting

 

[JahFocus CS]

I have never seen anyone outside of East Coast guys in their late 20s to mid 30s every drop Jadakiss in a conversation, let alone quote one of his lyrics (maybe besides the GW Bush line lmao)..

This is a disrespectful thread. Andre is infinite leagues ahead of Jada in terms of songwriting

Songwriting is different from bars I agree Andre is the better songwriter.

 

[DrunkerThanAMotherfucker]

I didn't wanna take it there bro but you're 100% right. A good portion of the Coli is a bunch of suburban millennial's that can't relate to rappers like Jada. They gravitate toward weirdos like Andre

Weirdos that dropped heat, developed their own style, cashed out, and left their own unique and immortal impression on hip-hop. Andre 3000 was way ahead of all of the clowns that permeate hip-hop nowadays. He wanted no part in the way the industry was heading. Even turned down the Super Bowl.

 

[DrunkerThanAMotherfucker]

Andre 3000 is a weirdo, but guys like Uzi Vert, Kanye, Cudi, Yachty, and Thug are thriving

 

[DrunkerThanAMotherfucker]

Didn't know that dressing a little eccentric, being vegetarian, and staying out of the spotlight qualified you as a weirdo. I might be a weirdo myself.

But propelling known sex abusers to the top of the charts it not weird at all

hmmm

 

[DrunkerThanAMotherfucker]

Andre's "One.. Two.. Three" intro on Hey Ya! is more quotable than Jadakiss' whole career

Hey Ya, for me, is the best single released in the 2000s. It's not even far fetched. It's one of the most expertly crafted pop singles of all-time, and solidified Andre as the Prince of his time.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

nikkas ain't never said "yooo you hear that 3k verse? Or song. Or album

Ever.

that's what I was trying to tell those cats earlier in the thread.

then the bul with the #$*%$ screen name, responded by posting some doofy fluff-piece article.

these dudes don't be nowhere.

In terms of Jada, there isn't much relatable about Jada. He's mostly spitting slick rhymes about how good he is. Outside of that, it's cliche money, cars, and clothes with some drug references thrown in. You're not walking away from a Jada verse or song feeling like "I've been through that" or "I know someone whose been through that" or "wow, I feel like that sometimes" or "he just described my life" or "I know someone who lives like that". Much of Jada's raps are drenched in hyperbole and that's what makes them dope.

again, you cant relate to jada because you don't have an ounce of street in you.
so of course its all gonna reasonate as cliché raps.

then you go on to mention styles, fab, jay & nas in hopes of supporting your argument, not realizing that jadakiss is generally more relatable than all of them.
the disconnect is that you dudes only find things relatable when somebody jumps out with a blatantly introspective record. if you could really relate to what youre listening to, you don't need all that.

that's why andre gets the nod in the category on here. he says things that relatable to people who wouldn't have been listening to rap music at all 30 years ago.

listen, theres nothing wrong with being a nerd or a hermit or whatever. yall just gotta realize that youre kind of like guests.​

Trap and Crunk didn't spark Atlanta's rise in Hip Hop. Atlanta was already established. Crunk and Trap marked Atlanta's dominance. Kast and The Dungeon Family positioned Atlants to be in that position because before them Atlanta was booty shake music. Bangladesh is on record saying Kast is the reason he moved to Atlanta. JD attests to Kast putting Atlanta on the map as far as Hip Hop is concerned. Nearly every crunk album that came out of Atlanta features one or more members of the Dungeon Family. Even "Never Scared" features Killer Mike.

well crunk was WAY more in-line with booty music than the stuff outkast was doing. not to mention, crunk was spear-headed by a booty bass music guy. so you killed your own argument right there.

lol. you NEVER understand these types of things.

nobody cared about the actual atlanta hip-hop SCENE until crunk, and then it was solidified by trap. outkast didn't position anything. they didn't have the juice to do that. they had their fans and most of them never cared for southern rap, especially atlanta rap. and still don't.

of course DF members, being from atlanta are gonna get a lot of features on atlanta albums. whats your point?? this is how people can tell that you don't get IT. when you push useless arguments.

and nobody cared about crunk albums breh.

Thank you for this. See too much idiotic shyt on this forum nowadays. Dungeon Family established not only a sound, but a culture of musicians in Atlanta that - yes - helped solidified the Dirty South sound as a lasting influence in the industry.

***looks at your screen name & avatar***

you dudes just be in here tryna pad outkast stats in hopes of having something to say when you vote for them in every single poll.

this post is pure bullchit.

EDIT: I now see that youre in your feelings and almost the entire page 14 is you ranting to yourself.

it was actually jermaine dupri but go head.

well yea, he was part of the crunk movement. bone crusher & youngbloodz were on so so def, and lil jon came from so so def.

but if youre talking about JD musically, he never made southern music.

always felt bad for him, cuz he had to bear the burden of being from the south. and then when the burden was gone, he wasn't southern enough to get any credit.

 

[The Connoisseurs]

^^^^

Your still invested huh ? ...

If you were confident in what you were saying you would leave it at that...

I can probably relate to kiss more than most on this board and still say I can relate to Andre more ......


Why don’t you us some kiss lines /raps/quotes you relate too that you use everyday or from time to time ..

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

I can probably relate to kiss more than most on this board and still say I can relate to Andre more ...…

earlier in the thread, you said you feel like you don't know him, or some other gay chit.

is it oochie wally wally or is it one mic?

 

[The Connoisseurs]

earlier in the thread, you said you feel like you don't know him, or some other gay chit.

is it oochie wally wally or is it one mic?

Your confused as far as the subject matter about the streets .... he don’t say nothing actually personal...


But nice way of dodging the question

 

[JustCKing]

again, you cant relate to jada because you don't have an ounce of street in you.
so of course its all gonna reasonate as cliché raps.

then you go on to mention styles, fab, jay & nas in hopes of supporting your argument, not realizing that jadakiss is generally more relatable than all of them.
the disconnect is that you dudes only find things relatable when somebody jumps out with a blatantly introspective record. if you could really relate to what youre listening to, you don't need all that.

that's why andre gets the nod in the category on here. he says things that relatable to people who wouldn't have been listening to rap music at all 30 years ago.

listen, theres nothing wrong with being a nerd or a hermit or whatever. yall just gotta realize that youre kind of like guests.​

well crunk was WAY more in-line with booty music than the stuff outkast was doing. not to mention, crunk was spear-headed by a booty bass music guy. so you killed your own argument right there.

lol. you NEVER understand these types of things.

nobody cared about the actual atlanta hip-hop SCENE until crunk, and then it was solidified by trap. outkast didn't position anything. they didn't have the juice to do that. they had their fans and most of them never cared for southern rap, especially atlanta rap. and still don't.

of course DF members, being from atlanta are gonna get a lot of features on atlanta albums. whats your point?? this is how people can tell that you don't get IT. when you push useless arguments.

and nobody cared about crunk albums breh.










well yea, he was part of the crunk movement. bone crusher & youngbloodz were on so so def, and lil jon came from so so def.

but if youre talking about JD musically, he never made southern music.

always felt bad for him, cuz he had to bear the burden of being from the south. and then when the burden was gone, he wasn't southern enough to get any credit.

You don't understand relatable. For starters, you have a rather myopic view of what "street" is. Secondly, again, Jada's music isn't relatable because that isn't his style. This is relatability:

Got stopped at the mall the other day, heard a call from the other way
That I just came from, some nikka was saying something, talking 'bout
Smoke something "Hey man, you remember me from school?"
"No not really" But he kept smiling like a clown, facial expression looking silly
And he kept asking me, "What kinda car you drive? I know you paid
I know y'all got beaucoup of hoes from all them songs that y'all done made"
And I replied that I had been going through the same things that he had
True, I've got more fans than the average man, but not enough loot to last me
To the end of the week, I live by the beat, like you live check-to-check
If you don't move your feet then I don't eat, so we like neck-to-neck
Yes, we done come a long way like them slim-ass cigarettes
From Virginia, this ain't gon' stop, so we just gon' continue

^^^ Anybody could relate to those lines.

You know how to work bread cheese and dough
From scratch but see the catch is you can get caught
Know what ya sellin' what ya bought so cut that big talk

^^^ again relatable

Jadakiss is not more relatable than Nas, Jay, or Styles. An argument could be made for Fab, but he definitely isn't more relatable than Nas, Jay, or Styles.

Oh, and relatability isn't limited to introspective songs. "ATLiens" isn't an introspective song at all, but has relatable lines like:

If not I'll wait, because the future of the world depends on
If or if not the child we raise gon' have that nikka syndrome
Or will it know to be the hard regardless of the skintone
I really feel that if we tune it, it just might get picked on
Or will it give a fukk about what others say and get gone

Maybe, you're the guest, which explains why you make all these try hard statements with attempts to go against the grain to earn a seat at the table.





People did care about the Atlanta rap scene before crunk. Then you want to say nobody cared about crunk albums, but want to argue that nobody cared about the rap scene until crunk.

Simply put DF's impact on ATL was >>>>>>> JD's. All those ATL signings to So So Def were in name only. Youngbloodz and Bone Crusher's albums were littered with Dungeon Family features more so than JD or So So Def's presence on those albums. JD even attests to Outkast putting Atlanta on the map.


You don't really know Atlanta music enough to even be discussing it.

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

People did care about the Atlanta rap scene before crunk. Then you want to say nobody cared about crunk albums, but want to argue that nobody cared about the rap scene until crunk.

Simply put DF's impact on ATL was >>>>>>> JD's. All those ATL signings to So So Def were in name only. Youngbloodz and Bone Crusher's albums were littered with Dungeon Family features more so than JD or So So Def's presence on those albums. JD even attests to Outkast putting Atlanta on the map.


You don't really know Atlanta music enough to even be discussing it.

hey stupid. I didn't bring up JD. the other guy did. go argue with him over outkast/Jermaine dupri. not me. get this chit out my face.

and I never claimed to be an expert on atlanta rap, and im certainly not discussing it, and don't care to.
im talking about who made the atlanta rap SCENE pop off NATIONALLY. all this other stuff youre trying to argue about, is neither here nor there.

few people cared about Atlanta's rap SCENE before crunk music. of course you cared, because youre from Georgia. you don't seem to understand the difference tho.​

and sure, the crunk albums didn't really have the juice, but the singles did, and that's what got the ball rolling until the trappy stuff came in and solidified things.

You don't understand relatable. For starters, you have a rather myopic view of what "street" is. Secondly, again, Jada's music isn't relatable because that isn't his style. This is relatability:



^^^ Anybody could relate to those lines.



^^^ again relatable.

youre proving my point.

youre stressing ANYBODY. as in people that don't even like rap.

you don't get it tho.

Jadakiss is not more relatable than Nas, Jay, or Styles. An argument could be made for Fab, but he definitely isn't more relatable than Nas, Jay, or Styles.

umm yes he is.

to the average cat in the hood jadakiss is generally more relatable than them.

everybody cant relate to styles' goonery or his political stuff.
or fab's lover-boy & playboy raps
nas & jay are type-funny......not on no gay chit or nothing.
especially jay, whose biggest knock has always been that his music is soul-less.

jada is like an every man's man rapper, which is one of the main reasons why the streets champion him like that.

Your confused as far as the subject matter about the streets .... he don’t say nothing actually personal...


But nice way of dodging the question

that's fair. I forgot exactly what that argument was about.

but you still said & did way too much questionable stuff for me to believe your previous post.

and im not dodging chit. just not into wasting my time. maybe somebody else will.
you up here posing and asking questions that you should already know the answer to.

 

[MarrieGotBandzzz]

Whole different style of spitting bars better comparison would be

Jada or cassidy

 

[JustCKing]

hey stupid. I didn't bring up JD. the other guy did. go argue with him over outkast/Jermaine dupri. not me. get this chit out my face.

and I never claimed to be an expert on atlanta rap, and im certainly not discussing it, and don't care to.
im talking about who made the atlanta rap SCENE pop off NATIONALLY. all this other stuff youre trying to argue about, is neither here nor there.

few people cared about Atlanta's rap SCENE before crunk music. of course you cared, because youre from Georgia. you don't seem to understand the difference tho.​

Then you need to sit down and not discuss Atlanta rap. You're in here posting about the Atlanta rap scene, but then say you don't care. You don't know what you're talking about. The real intent with that post was to discredit and downplay Outkast as usual. Got cha.

To still try to talk about who made the Atlanta rap scene pop off nationally AFTER claiming you are no expert on Atlanta rap means you shouldn't even be having this discussion.

youre proving my point.

youre stressing ANYBODY. as in people that don't even like rap.

you don't get it tho.

But, we're not talking about people that don't even like rap, so I don't know why you're even bringing it up. When I say "anybody", it's generally speaking.

umm yes he is.

to the average cat in the hood jadakiss is generally more relatable than them.

everybody cant relate to styles' goonery or his political stuff.
or fab's lover-boy & playboy raps
nas & jay are type-funny......not on no gay chit or nothing.
especially jay, whose biggest knock has always been that his music is soul-less.

jada is like an every man's man rapper, which is one of the main reasons why the streets champion him like that.

Jadakiss is not an every man's rapper and you continue to tap dance around what makes him relatable. Jadakiss mostly talks about how good he raps. There's no relatability in that unless you rap.

There's far more to Styles that "goonery" and "political" stuff:

Lick a shot for the predicate felons
And gangster nikkas that know that
Doing their time is better than tellin
Don't tell dog, lick a shot for the graveyard shift
And all the hustlers on ninety-five for the graveyard prick
Lick a shot for this weed I need
Just to see clear, to tell the truth I can't breathe a ki
Lick a shot for the stick up kids that twist up wigs
Thats the shyt that happens when you pick up bids
Lick a shot for the foreign car, American trucks
Old timers that'll throw a stack of presidents up
Got dice shooter slang, need a pistol to hang
But the P understand cause the ghetto is fukked
Lick a shot for the fiends
That got to go see the minors on the block to get medicined up
Lick a shot for the sake of licking a shot
And everytime I'm far away from home I'll be missing my block
D-Block nikka

^^^ this isn't relatable beyond goonery and political stuff?

Just deal with the tension and stress
Understand I'm from the School of Hard Knock and my suspension is death

My heart goes out to the homeless and poor
And my nikkas in the bing that didn't go to the board
Wit a 25 to L on your back the shyt is too cold
And for the kids that didn't get they school clothes
For the gods that lost they earth
The world's a song you'll get it back you just lost your verse
It's P verse the demons, that's why I'm feenin for weed
Cuz I don't wanna forfeit first
I could even bust my gun and do some office work
But I still wanna off this jerk [shyt...]
I can't leave it out my rhymes [why]
Cuz it be part of my dreams, to see 20 porsches murk
Three houses for the family, two for the nikkas
When I die I was true to the nikkas [true soldier]
And I never practice voodoo
But it's like Black Magic how I spit this fluid to nikkas

^^^ I pose the same question with this verse.

What makes Jay and Nas funny type? And you're really going to say the main gripe against Jay is him being soul-less and he made Blueprint.