Back during ancient times, who had more power and influence?

[Dave24]

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[Assata Shakur]

Black Gods in Kemet

 

[CoryMack]

hard to say. any king, emperor or dictator with absolute power over the state.

 

[shopthatwrecks]

 

[CoryMack]

also military commanders out in the field with their armies. they had absolute power as well, not only over their men but any territory they conquered.

 

[YaThreadFloppedB!]

Popes did.

a single pope called a crusade and moved 3 of the most powerful kings in europe to take the Holy Land (the Levant)

Richard the Lionheart-King of England
Phillip II-King of France
Frederick Barbarossa-Holy Roman Emperor

EDIT: While on the way to the Holy Land, Barbarossa’s horse stumbled on a rock while crossing a river and the Emperor fell off his horse and into the river. Weighted by his armor and chain mail, he drowned. His son tried to keep the army together but many lost morale and deserted.

Phillip and Richard took the sea route and actually landed in the Levant and actually took a Muslim stronghold called Acre. After Phillip and Richard took Acre, Phillip sailed back to France and was looked down on for the remainder of his life deserting his fellow Christians in the Levant.

Richard had a lot of success in the Levant and was very close to Jerusalem but had to turn around when word reached him that his brother back home in England took the crown for himself. Richard ended up dying when a boy on a castle wall he was recapturing in one of his territories fired a crossbow bolt and killed him.

 

[Software]

Popes did.

a single pope called a crusade and moved 3 of the most powerful kings in europe to take the Holy Land (the Levant)

 

[FLATOP]

Whoever has the most money to feed the biggest army

 

[bigdaddy88]

Ancient times like the Renaissance , middle ages etc....then that would be the pope...u could not be king or emperor without the blessing of the pope/church


Of course every once in a while the pope's hand was tied i.e during the end of the Templars, king Philip had clement by the balls so he had to banish them. But more times than not the pope had clout over the kings and emperors

 

[Dave24]

Popes did.

a single pope called a crusade and moved 3 of the most powerful kings in europe to take the Holy Land (the Levant)

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but couldn't a king just refuse what the pope wanted and use his army to overthrow the pope?

 

[UncleTomFord15]

Would probably go with Popes (at least for Europeans) since they were looked upon as just being a step down from literal God to most of the people back then. Military leaders and Kings for Africans, Arabs, Asians and South Americans.

 

[JoseLuisGotcha]

Pope easily

he who controls the religion controls the masses

kings and emperors went to their religious leaders for blessings to do things and consult with them ...unless you’re Coligula you listened ...

 

[Freedman]

Also Kingdoms/Empires didn't always have full centralized rule. So you could be the King/Emperor but if like a Rich Individual is the owner of significant portion of the land in your country his influence/power could rival yours

 

[bigdaddy88]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but couldn't a king just refuse what the pope wanted and use his army to overthrow the pope?

Yea, they could have the way more ruled was by deception, they sold indulgences etc and held hell over the head of the kings, Religion was big during those times so the kings and the people took it very seriously. Like a poster above said the pope had the pope to galvanize people for a holy way aka the crusades.

Over time the Church accumulated wealth so that also help their influence , on top of black mailing leaders that would go to confessionals and tell all of their wrong doings. The suposse power to forgive sins etc was very influential over the people


Pope boniface said behold i am Caesar, The RCC was and is a continuation of Pagan Rome

Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions

 

[Dave24]

Yea, they could have the way more ruled was by deception, they sold indulgences etc and held hell over the head of the kings, Religion was big during those times so the kings and the people took it very seriously. Like a poster above said the pope had the pope to galvanize people for a holy way aka the crusades.

Over time the Church accumulated wealth so that also help their influence , on top of black mailing leaders that would go to confessionals and tell all of their wrong doings. The suposse power to forgive sins etc was very influential over the people


Pope boniface said behold i am Caesar, The RCC was and is a continuation of Pagan Rome

Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions

who do you think were the most powerful and corrupt popes of all time?