Baby boomers are adjusting to a new retirement normal: No grandchildren

[Nkrumah Was Right]

You already know that ain't about to happen.
You're better off moving to Africa.

We shall see. You don’t think the percentage of African immigration to America will increase due to racist politicians?

 

[bnew]

They could if they wanted to, People did so during the great Depression.

Money never was the real factor in having kids or not the poorest people in any society has the most kids.

do yourself a favor and look up the recent cases of infanticide by women, I suspect financial troubles is the root cause of so many of them feeling hopeless and helpless to the point where they start to convince themselves if they can't provide for their children then they can end their suffering.

poor people have more children but it's also widely understood they have less sex-education or education and less access to healthcare. they can't afford birth control or condoms like someone who is financially stable can.

 

[CopiousX]

Vote for neoliberals who destroy all vestiges of state subsidized public goods (post secondary education used to be cheap in the US!), thus creating a debt burdened generation with less spending power

Exacerbate the cost of living by becoming parasitic landlords who oppose rent control

Vote for federal politicians who don’t enact parental leave

That viewpoint conflates two unrelated issues.


If subsidizing the populace is the solution to dwindling birth rates; why does every single scandinavian and northern european country have the exact same issue, despite decades of enacting generous subsidies , free education, rent control policies , free healthcare , free daycare, etc ?



those countries took every single moderate reform you could suggest for america, and took it to its most extreme form and not a single one of them raised their fertility rates to 2.1 in the 3 decades of such policies.



let me note that i completely agree with you that you that liberal policies that help the populace are good thing. In fact, i cite those same scandinavian countries when describing the tremendous good that universal healthcare and education can do for an individual . but i postulate to you that, that conversation is completely unrelated to the conversation of raising fertility rates in the macro sense. I use that entire block of northern euro countries (+iceland) as a real life longitudinal study for my assertion. If i may be bold, i would like to counter your point by listing dozens upon dozens of nations in the global south with no social safety net whatsoever, but still manage to maintain fertility rates well above 3 kids per.



its a bit outside the scope of this post, but i listed the true cause for low fertility in an earlier post in this thread. it isnt subsidies

 

[Chrishaune]

We shall see. You don’t think the percentage of African immigration to America will increase due to racist politicians?

The people that I've met come over here for school and they are looking to go back to either where they came from or another place once they get the degree in the United States. Once they figure out how to operate in the American money system they don't have to stay over here. You can literally make money anywhere if you have a computer and a good internet connection.

 

[Mike Nasty]

Cry more

Africans are coming!

Good for them and good for Canada.
I couldn't care less

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

That viewpoint conflates two unrelated issues.


If subsidizing the populace is the solution to dwindling birth rates; why does every single scandinavian and northern european country have the exact same issue, despite decades of enacting generous subsidies , free education, rent control policies , free healthcare , free daycare, etc ?



those countries took every single moderate reform you could suggest for america, and took it to its most extreme form and not a single one of them raised their fertility rates to 2.1 in the 3 decades of such policies.



let me note that i completely agree with you that you that liberal policies that help the populace are good thing. but i postulate to you that, that conversation is completely unrelated to the conversation of raising fertility rates in the macro sense. I use that entire block of northern euro countries (+iceland) as a real life test case for my assertion. If i may be bold, i would like to counter your point by listing dozens upon dozens of nations in the global south with no social safety net whatsoever, but still manage to maintain fertility rates well above 3 kids per.



its a bit outside the scope of this post, but i listed the true cause in an earlier post in this thread.

Perhaps you’re right. However, anecdotally, most people posit that it’s the cost of living/raising a family that presents the greatest barrier to children. Not simply a lifestyle choice, as you see in Europe.

Maybe Europeans and certain East Asians have given up on themselves but North Americans may have a different set of reasons behind declining birth rates.

 

[Nkrumah Was Right]

Good for them and good for Canada.
I couldn't care less

You are African too

 

[Mike Nasty]

You are African too

83% according to 23andme. We won't talk about the other 17% though.

 

[-DMP-]

don’t blame them for not having kids. shyt looking bleak.

 

[Wiseborn]

do yourself a favor and look up the recent cases of infanticide by women, I suspect financial troubles is the root cause of so many of them feeling hopeless and helpless to the point where they start to convince themselves if they can't provide for their children then they can end their suffering.

poor people have more children but it's also widely understood they have less sex-education or education and less access to healthcare. they can't afford birth control or condoms like someone who is financially stable can.

Do you see the irony here?

But if the people themselves feel that they can't afford it or don't want children ( despite all the free giveaways to mothers) then what's the problem?

Just import more people willing to have children and be done with it.

 

[bnew]

Do you see the irony here?

But if the people themselves feel that they can't afford it or don't want children ( despite all the free giveaways to mothers) then what's the problem?

Just import more people willing to have children and be done with it.

it's not just about being financially stable, people are working 40+ hours a week and commuting, feeling worn out all the time is likely a significant factor then people don't feel up to having children.

it's a combination of things and circumstances thats leading people to these choices.

i don't know what free giveaways you're referring to but clearly it ain't enough.

 

[Noriega]

I told my parents neither myself or my girl want kids so don’t expect any from us

 

[Laidbackman]

They got it where the average brother having a child only increases his chances of going to jail. Half of my buddies don't even have children. however I don't think they planned it that way. So the fear of them going to jail for non-support probably wasn't the reason. The ones that did reproduce have more than one child. I'm the only one that had only one, except for my deceased buddy who died in 2001...he never even saw his child.

So I guess them having grandchildren is really off the table. I do have two.

 

[Pure Water]

Keep trying to tell y’all kids are lame. They fukk up ya life and for women, their life and body. Y’all don’t listen.

 

[IvyLane]

In addition, many educated women don’t want to be single mothers. While guys have a GMB mentality. So many of the smartest women are overlooked for IG thots.

People make marriage seem horrible. Without this contract, women are vulnerable to being left shouldering major responsibility alone