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so this were u dudes went
Would like to see a coaching change 1st, and a addition of a 3pt shooter and a pg before we get to overhauling the roster.
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That's not reason people thinking about trading Demar. It's the fit. They can't shoot and on top of that they're getting torched defensively. Vooch is slow and can barely run. Demar is the worst defender on the team and even at his highest level, Zach is still not going to play defense. None of the big 3 do. This is not a winning formula. We've seen this with Brooklyn who had better big 3 than us.
We can sit up here and blame players and coaches, but the truth is that the roster is poorly put together. I think Billy needs go, but that's not going solve everything. The FO need to do their job. Anybody with eyes can see that this roster is badly built.
The “3 Allstar era” team somehow in prime position to get a top 4 pick in the NBA draft only a year after formingThe 2023 pick top 4 protected.....Cross fingers for #1
Wow …who could’ve seen this coming …. #OptimisticBullsFamI've seen enough. Orlando fleeced the fukk outta AKME in that deal.
Tonight came full circle. The only other scenario that would have been more fukkery is if Franz or Wendell hit that game winner. Vuc missing 2FTs like that... If that played out in a TV show we were watching on here, we would be shytting on the writing.
At least Justin Fields is god 
The wildest shyt I'm seeing from Bulls fans is how they can watch WCJ and Lauri play great basketball and still write off Pat like they haven't learned shyt these last 2 years.
cornercommission2k12
so this were u dudes went
I still think if you make a coaching change add a pg who can speed up the pace and a 3pt shooter for spacing you can get the best out this roster
Losing to the Pelicans without zion and a depleted Orlando team had nothing to do with poor roster construction. Those teams just played harder than us. No one is going to convince me those teams had more talent or is better put together. They are simply giving more effort. The effort part begins with the starting unit who continues to come out lethargic because it needs a change. The "big 3" need a pg to run the offense and a shooter to space the floor for them. Now that part I can blame akme for not providing. Especially knowing that ball who can fix some of this, is pretty much a non factor at this point.
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so this were u dudes went
Donovan gets blame for 1. Not creating the best starting 5 he can create. He is continuing to go with ayo and pwill in the line up when the starters need floor spacing and energy. 2. Donovan subs and rotations have clearly killed the spirit of the team and they are not responding. Donovan also doesn't have quality game plans and makes no half time adjustments. Which is why we continue to come out flat in the 1st and 3rd quarters. Low energy, no adjustments that's all coaching.
There are no perfect rosters in the league just about every team has holes. A great coach figures out how to compete with what they have. Teams with much less talent than us are competing every night playing hard and with energy. I could get with the roster construction argument if we were beating teams we had more talent then and losing to better constructed teams, fact is we are at a point where we can't close anyone out or maintain leads. Most of these games we have either had a lead in at some point or stayed close outside the Denver and Cleveland games. It's coaching.
On top of this very sobering but realistic analysis…this team isn’t going to fix their so called “3point shooting issues” by just getting that mythical “shooter” it’s funny reading fans, commentators and reporters regurgitate this as a quick fix when the bulls had that shooter in Lonzo last year and were still at the bottom of the league. (30th place in 3PA and 22nd place in 3PM)
It shouldn’t be that hard to deduce that when 2 of your top 3 players in usage are low volume 3 point shooters 🗣you’re not going to take or make many 3 point shots as a team …any other analysis seems to be intentionally skirting the actual origin of the problem …AKME composed a roster effectively built for 1995 Atlantic Division basketball but not the modern NBA …Demar essentially has the shot profile of a souped up Horace Grant and then you decide to put that next to a high useage big man in Vucc then wonder why there’s no 3 point shooting
Toxic CultureThe wildest shyt I'm seeing from Bulls fans is how they can watch WCJ and Lauri play great basketball and still write off Pat like they haven't learned shyt these last 2 years.
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Donovan ain't it
His rotations are trash. Team needs a floor general they miss Lonzo bad. Ayo can't run a offense he struggles to get 3 assists a game
His rotations are trash. Team needs a floor general they miss Lonzo bad. Ayo can't run a offense he struggles to get 3 assists a game
There are only a few tweaks that can be done with this roster as it is. If they don't want to make any trades, they can look at going with Chris Fleming as interim HC. See how that goes for the rest of the year, then make a decision on him or target Ime. They interviewed him, there's already a relationship there, it makes sense. Plus by the off-season, he won't be as toxic as a candidate as he was a few weeks ago when the BK rumors were swirling.
I took a look at the Bulls splits and numbers during Fleming's run as HC. Small sample size, but they averaged 120 points, 25 assists, and shot 48% from 3 in that stretch which was only 5 games. (This was without Lonzo btw). They were starting Coby, Zach, DeMar, Green and Vuc. For comparison, the Bulls under Donovan in these 3 years have hovered around 111 PPG as a team. This is all we really have to go off of in terms of seeing what these same guys "could" look like with a different voice/direction for how the offense operates.
Fleming also garnered some votes in the NBA pre-season survey from peers for best assistant coaches around the league.
In terms of the lineups, they can look at Dragic... I guess. As he would be a vet that would be able to direct things better than Ayo. You also would be inserting a better shooter with the main guys. (Dragic is shooting 44% from 3 so far this year; Ayo is at 33% from 3)
Other than that, I don't think you take Pat out because he's actually playing defense and smart teams will just look to post Green up and compromise our already mid defense. Billy should however play Green more off the bench at the wing with Pat also on the floor. Pat is also low-key the 2nd best 3PT shooter on the team % wise. So you keep him in the starting lineup. By adding Dragic, the Bulls now how 3 guys shooting close to or over 40% from 3 and Zach LaVine who hopefully starts getting his shyt together (he's at 36% right now)
With this roster, if they are gonna roll with it, they can surround DeMar with their best defenders and let him go vintage AI in Philly (nights when Vuc isn't on shyt and Zach is a lemon)
That's all I got. Coby White had some really great games during that stretch under Fleming too. He really was a difference maker until he just started to suck later on in the year.
I took a look at the Bulls splits and numbers during Fleming's run as HC. Small sample size, but they averaged 120 points, 25 assists, and shot 48% from 3 in that stretch which was only 5 games. (This was without Lonzo btw). They were starting Coby, Zach, DeMar, Green and Vuc. For comparison, the Bulls under Donovan in these 3 years have hovered around 111 PPG as a team. This is all we really have to go off of in terms of seeing what these same guys "could" look like with a different voice/direction for how the offense operates.
Fleming also garnered some votes in the NBA pre-season survey from peers for best assistant coaches around the league.
In terms of the lineups, they can look at Dragic... I guess. As he would be a vet that would be able to direct things better than Ayo. You also would be inserting a better shooter with the main guys. (Dragic is shooting 44% from 3 so far this year; Ayo is at 33% from 3)
Other than that, I don't think you take Pat out because he's actually playing defense and smart teams will just look to post Green up and compromise our already mid defense. Billy should however play Green more off the bench at the wing with Pat also on the floor. Pat is also low-key the 2nd best 3PT shooter on the team % wise. So you keep him in the starting lineup. By adding Dragic, the Bulls now how 3 guys shooting close to or over 40% from 3 and Zach LaVine who hopefully starts getting his shyt together (he's at 36% right now)
With this roster, if they are gonna roll with it, they can surround DeMar with their best defenders and let him go vintage AI in Philly (nights when Vuc isn't on shyt and Zach is a lemon)
That's all I got. Coby White had some really great games during that stretch under Fleming too. He really was a difference maker until he just started to suck later on in the year.
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On top of this very sobering but realistic analysis…this team isn’t going to fix their so called “3point shooting issues” by just getting that mythical “shooter” it’s funny reading fans, commentators and reporters regurgitate this as a quick fix when the bulls had that shooter in Lonzo last year and were still at the bottom of the league. (30th place in 3PA and 22nd place in 3PM)
It shouldn’t be that hard to deduce that when 2 of your top 3 players in usage are low volume 3 point shooters 🗣you’re not going to take or make many 3 point shots as a team …any other analysis seems to be intentionally skirting the actual origin of the problem …AKME composed a roster effectively built for 1995 Atlantic Division basketball but not the modern NBA …Demar essentially has the shot profile of a souped up Horace Grant and then you decide to put that next to a high useage big man in Vucc then wonder why there’s no 3 point shooting
There is no quick fix to this team. This sounds grim but the team won't ever reach its true potential until Jerry either dies or sells the team to someone that cares. Until then. We just have to ride the wave of mediocracy.
I believe Demar and Vuc will be traded. Zach will too at some point in his contract and then we'll officially be off to another rebuild. I'm sure one of Ayo, Pat(if he's still here) or maybe even Dalen Terry will step into the 'star' role and it will be the same thing all over again because the owner and FO don't care as long the money keeps coming in.
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