Ayo.... How Did No Limit Sell So Many Records?

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Most dudes if they didn't have older brothers or sisters/ older family members, uncles cousins, who were up on No Limit, I believe in my heart nikkas couldn't listen to these albums in their mama and daddy house Lol...Let's keep it all the way 100

You 90s babies, stop it...too young to even understand what was going on, P talking about Keys and capers, but yall listening to this at the age of 9 and 10, cut it out Lol...radio singles were the only time yall would be hearing of NL if yall

You're 12 years old or YOUNGER, in 95, 96, 97 or 98, dude's mama and daddies, grand-parents aint allowing them to sit around in their rooms and listen to "whole albums" of Ghetto D, Mia X, Mystikal, etc, that p*ssy, Money and Weed talk, talking about hoes and bytches lol..
Down South Hustlers, "Bounce that Ass"
Freak Hoes, smh

Cut it out.. (The internet was not around) You had to go and "buy" the CD, or get a nikka to dubbed it for you from tape or just being around "older" people who had the CD and how often would you be around that person?? cut it out


Dude's mama's really taking them to buy Parental Advisory Ghetto D, Down South Hustlers, I'm Bout It Soundtrack. Ghetto D had a whole dope fiend on the cover Lol..cut it out
Dude's mama's really allowing them to purchase the movie "I"m Bout It" and watch it Lol

Stop the shyts

Imagine making a lengthy post like this and being completely wrong :mjlol::mjlol: I was 10-11 in 97-98 and was scraping together report card money and being taken up to record stores to buy cassettes of No Limit. Do you know how much cassettes cost in 1997-98??? Those shyts were just a pinch less than cds:laff:you don’t think kids grew up being around their parents or older cousins listening to music:gucci: That’s literally how you’re ingrained to like what you like. If you were from like 5th grade to HS in the mid to late 90s, you’re probably the owner of multiple cd cases from over the years.

Also, from 97-00, I knew how to set up a VHS and was recording WWF Raws, but had to sneak and watch the second hour :russ: kids will find a way to do whatever they want.
 

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R U Still Down was not an album folks were rushing out to get like that, let alone bumping. The post Pac era was beginning to wear off on people.

This is false. This was the second posthumous release from Pac. 2Pac was still huge even in death and this was a little over a year after his death, so I'm not understanding where you're getting post Pac era was beginning to wear off. You can't be a No Limit fan and hold this opinion when they were still paying homage and what not. Pac had soundtrack songs that were hot. R U Still Down was copped. "Do For Love" and "I Wonder If Heaven Got A Ghetto" were huge.

Harlem World, Mase made "soft" songs, got a lot of radio play, no really hard songs for the hard-core reality rap fans - the nikkas in the hood and those below the poverty line

Harlem World had:

Take Yours
nikkaz Wanna Act
The Player Way
24 Hrs. To Live
Wanna Hurt Mase
Would You Die 4 Me

^^^ None of these were "soft" and were definitely hard-core reality rap songs

Vol.1. Jay-z was not that dude in 97, His 96 release was not reaching to the masses. nikkas was not bumping "you'll always be my sunshine" at the park/cookouts or at parties

Who said Jay Z was THAT dude in 1997? November 1997, this album was a thing. Act like "Where I'm From", "You Must Love Me", "Who You Wit II" and several others weren't banging from this album.

Dude wasn't even the biggest rapper in NYC in 97, Silkk had more notoriety than Jay-Z

Mystikal did as well

Mystikal was a big deal, but he was nowhere near what you are making him out to be. Unpredictable wasn't the ONLY album people were listening to at the time. It wasn't even the biggest.
 

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Imagine making a lengthy post like this and being completely wrong :mjlol::mjlol: I was 10-11 in 97-98 and was scraping together report card money and being taken up to record stores to buy cassettes of No Limit. Do you know how much cassettes cost in 1997-98??? Those shyts were just a pinch less than cds:laff:you don’t think kids grew up being around their parents or older cousins listening to music:gucci: That’s literally how you’re ingrained to like what you like. If you were from like 5th grade to HS in the mid to late 90s, you’re probably the owner of multiple cd cases from over the years.

Also, from 97-00, I knew how to set up a VHS and was recording WWF Raws, but had to sneak and watch the second hour :russ: kids will find a way to do whatever they want.


No Limit was dropping CDs twice a month, In elementary you got a report card 4 times in a year. You spent all of your report card money on just No Limit CDs, You had money every month or every two weeks to buy "just" No Limit CDs from your report card money? That's all you used your report money on, was buying CDs? I take it you were a Str8 A student too.


Back then, you could have grew up around your "older" cousins, but that doesn't mean you're kicking it with them "every" single day, 24/7. You went to school 5 days outta the week, and you was around your "older" cousin everyday? :francis:, Your HS Sophomore/JR/SR, in college cousins let your 4th grader ass or 5th grader ass hang around them 24/7:mjlol: Stop it,



If you were at a school, in the 5th grade, and there were 10-12 boys in that classroom, outta those 10-12, maybe 1 or 2 of them did the whole recording of WWF, all 10-12 aint have their own VCR, cut it out, unless you went to some private school full of cacs, Aint no 10-12 inner school boys all have their "own" VCR in their room, and each one of them have both the "I'm Bout It" CD and Movie...stop it

Back then, kids aint have as much as a reach as kids do now..There wasn't that many outlets for kids to "find a way to do whatever they want" angle.
 

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This is false. This was the second posthumous release from Pac. 2Pac was still huge even in death and this was a little over a year after his death, so I'm not understanding where you're getting post Pac era was beginning to wear off. You can't be a No Limit fan and hold this opinion when they were still paying homage and what not. Pac had soundtrack songs that were hot. R U Still Down was copped. "Do For Love" and "I Wonder If Heaven Got A Ghetto" were huge.



Harlem World had:

Take Yours
nikkaz Wanna Act
The Player Way
24 Hrs. To Live
Wanna Hurt Mase
Would You Die 4 Me

^^^ None of these were "soft" and were definitely hard-core reality rap songs



Who said Jay Z was THAT dude in 1997? November 1997, this album was a thing. Act like "Where I'm From", "You Must Love Me", "Who You Wit II" and several others weren't banging from this album.



Mystikal was a big deal, but he was nowhere near what you are making him out to be. Unpredictable wasn't the ONLY album people were listening to at the time. It wasn't even the biggest.

2pac album when it came out had the single "What you do for love" that wasn't a single that made folks go out and rush to get his album. Folks were moving on from Pac and people were focusing on No Limit wave and other acts down south
"I wonder if heaven got a ghetto" was a good single, but that didn't move the needle as I stated folks were moving on from 2pac
Paying homage and nikkas bumping R U Still down are two different things, folks running out to get Pac's R U STILL DOWN album, that wave had died down, If you wasn't bumping No Limit down here, you was left behind...Ppl were moving on from PAC

Jay-Z wasn't reaching noone in the South in 97, Nobody in any High School/Middle School, or on a HBCU campus was bumping Jay-z over Mystikal or any NO Limit album in 97.

Mystikal in 97 was getting more play in the South and West, than Jay,


Mystikal last verse on Make'em say Ugh, was better than Jay's whole year in 97 dude. Let's not rewrite history.

Those songs off Harlem World got no play in 97 down south fam, 24 hours was cool to look at on Rap City, but that wasn't on folks radar down south in 97, The only songs that folks bumped from Mase were his singles in 97

nikkas aint ride around down here bumping no Mase in 97.


You heard this song blarring outta cutlasses, regals, etc,

You heard this song at the lunch room counters, on HBCU campus, etc, not no Mase breh or Jay







This owned last part of 97 breh, Nothing else.. EVERYBODY AND THEY MAMA WAS PLAYING THIS AT ALL TIMES LATE 97
 
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2pac album when it came out had the single "What you do for love" that wasn't a single that made folks go out and rush to get his album. Folks were moving on from Pac and people were focusing on No Limit wave and other acts down south
"I wonder if heaven got a ghetto" was a good single, but that didn't move the needle as I stated folks were moving on from 2pac
Paying homage and nikkas bumping R U Still down are two different things, folks running out to get Pac's R U STILL DOWN album, that wave had died down, If you wasn't bumping No Limit down here, you was left behind...Ppl were moving on from PAC

Jay-Z wasn't reaching noone in the South in 97, Nobody in any High School/Middle School, or on a HBCU campus was bumping Jay-z over Mystikal or any NO Limit album in 97.

Mystikal in 97 was getting more play in the South and West, than Jay,


Mystikal last verse on Make'em say Ugh, was better than Jay's whole year in 97 dude. Let's not rewrite history.

Those songs off Harlem World got no play in 97 down south fam, 24 hours was cool to look at on Rap City, but that wasn't on folks radar down south in 97, The only songs that folks bumped from Mase were his singles in 97

nikkas aint ride around down here bumping no Mase in 97.


You heard this song blarring outta cutlasses, regals, etc,

You heard this song at the lunch room counters, on HBCU campus, etc, not no Mase breh or Jay







This owned last part of 97 breh, Nothing else.. EVERYBODY AND THEY MAMA WAS PLAYING THIS AT ALL TIMES LATE 97


Breh, Pac was still huge in 1997, you keep talking about nobody was going out and buying R U Still Down, yet it still sold 2 million copies and was cerified 4X platinum less than a month after it came out.

Clearly, we aren't talking about just The South and I can assure you Pac was still a favorite down here even in the midst of No Limit mania. Honestly, Pac is one of the reasons people down here latched onto No Limit.

Jay Z wasn't big here, but to say he didn't have joints is in error.

Ummm yes. The Mase album was abig deal here. My brother's best friend had a mix cassette tape ironically that had a mixture of Mase's Harlem World and Mystikal's Unpredictable, which is a huge reason why I bought both. A friend of mine also copped Harlem World and all of us were No Limit fans. And what's even crazier is the friend who had Harlem World ain't even like Bad Boy.

You are rewriting history if you are trying to make it like No Limit had a monopoly in the South. Many of us were No Limit fans, but there was a lot of other artists that were played heavily as well.

Now I know you're trippin because neither of those songs owned '97. There was too much music out at the time to say one particular song owned that period. "Put Your Hands" by Busta was still killin. Bone had a few joints out that were killin it. Mase. It was a whole lot of music that was in rotation at the time.
 

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Breh, Pac was still huge in 1997, you keep talking about nobody was going out and buying R U Still Down, yet it still sold 2 million copies and was cerified 4X platinum less than a month after it came out.

Clearly, we aren't talking about just The South and I can assure you Pac was still a favorite down here even in the midst of No Limit mania. Honestly, Pac is one of the reasons people down here latched onto No Limit.

Jay Z wasn't big here, but to say he didn't have joints is in error.

Ummm yes. The Mase album was abig deal here. My brother's best friend had a mix cassette tape ironically that had a mixture of Mase's Harlem World and Mystikal's Unpredictable, which is a huge reason why I bought both. A friend of mine also copped Harlem World and all of us were No Limit fans. And what's even crazier is the friend who had Harlem World ain't even like Bad Boy.

You are rewriting history if you are trying to make it like No Limit had a monopoly in the South. Many of us were No Limit fans, but there was a lot of other artists that were played heavily as well.

You do know Pac had "crossed" over in 97, that album R U STILL DOWN was not bigger than Unpredictable album is what I'm saying, Nobody was bumping Pac at the parties, clubs, like that is what I'm saying.

If we are looking in the lens of 2010 - 2020, yes we can say Jay-Z has joints, but if we are looking in the lens of 1997 and judging him from that time, he wasn't moving nobodies needle outside of NYC. His B joints were not being played by Nobody down here, that's what I'm saying, His single Sunshine was not being played

Breh, Nobody was bumping Mase Harlem World down here, NYC maybe, but the south, NO. Other than his singles, which folks may have went out and copped, nobody was playing Mase's B joints out here...

In the Fall of 97, Mase album was not being played down here in the South, I was in ATL in 97 for the Heritage Bowl, and nobody was playing that shyt, the Heritage Bowl was in December 97 in the Georgia Dome and I wanna say the Saints played two weeks earlier, I, along with all of my people were in ATL many times, we were there for both events in those 2 - 3weeks span

Mysikal Unpredictable was played everywhere in ATL that year, I was there breh... The only time I heard Mase being played was when his single came on the radio.

The Heritage Bowl was a big event and it brought out ALL the black folks from around the world, and everybody was playing Mystikal album, not no Mase, no Pac, and definitely not no dayum Jay-Z
The Saints vs ATL was always a big draw
 
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You do know Pac had "crossed" over in 97, that album R U STILL DOWN was not bigger than Unpredictable album is what I'm saying, Nobody was bumping Pac at the parties, clubs, like that is what I'm saying.

I would say everybody knew Pac was dead, but a lot of people still thought he was alive because new music kept coming like R U Still Down, Gang Related soundtrack, and the Gridlock's OST. Pac being in those movies also added fuel to the conspiracies that he was alive. Tjat's not even mentioning the joint with Jon B.

So yeah Pac was STILL being bumped heavily.

If we are looking in the lens of 2010 - 2020, yes we can say Jay-Z has joints, but if we are looking in the lens of 1997 and judging him from that time, he wasn't moving nobodies needle outside of NYC. His B joints were not being played by Nobody down here, that's what I'm saying, His single Sunshine was not being played

I still remember "Who You Wit II" being a bigger deal than "Sunshine", which I don't even think was the main single. There was also "City Is Mine".

Breh, Nobody was bumping Mase Harlem World down here, NYC maybe, but the south, NO. Other than his singles, which folks may have went out and copped, nobody was playing Mase's B joints out here...

Breh, Atlanta was one of Mase's biggest markets, so I know you're off base there.

In the Fall of 97, Mase album was not being played down here in the South, I was in ATL in 97 for the Heritage Bowl, and nobody was playing that shyt, the Heritage Bowl was in December 97 in the Georgia Dome and I wanna say the Saints played two weeks earlier, I, along with all of my people were in ATL many times, we were there for both events in those 2 weeks span

See my post above..

Mysikal Unpredictable was played everywhere in ATL that year, I was there breh... The only time I heard Mase being played was when his single came on the radio.

Were you in Atlanta all year? Unpredictable had not even been out a year at that point. November 1997, that album was only weeks old.


The Heritage Bowl was a big event and it brought out ALL the black folks from around the world, and everybody was playing Mystikal album, not no Mase, no Pac, and definitely not no dayum Jay-Z

And again see my post above.
 

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No Limit was dropping CDs twice a month, In elementary you got a report card 4 times in a year. You spent all of your report card money on just No Limit CDs, You had money every month or every two weeks to buy "just" No Limit CDs from your report card money? That's all you used your report money on, was buying CDs? I take it you were a Str8 A student too.


Back then, you could have grew up around your "older" cousins, but that doesn't mean you're kicking it with them "every" single day, 24/7. You went to school 5 days outta the week, and you was around your "older" cousin everyday? :francis:, Your HS Sophomore/JR/SR, in college cousins let your 4th grader ass or 5th grader ass hang around them 24/7:mjlol: Stop it,



If you were at a school, in the 5th grade, and there were 10-12 boys in that classroom, outta those 10-12, maybe 1 or 2 of them did the whole recording of WWF, all 10-12 aint have their own VCR, cut it out, unless you went to some private school full of cacs, Aint no 10-12 inner school boys all have their "own" VCR in their room, and each one of them have both the "I'm Bout It" CD and Movie...stop it

Back then, kids aint have as much as a reach as kids do now..There wasn't that many outlets for kids to "find a way to do whatever they want" angle.

And yet I still bought nearly every No Limit album though came out from 97-98, even if I was buying them weeks after they came out. You are false on every account here. By older cousins and relatives, I didn’t mean being 10-11 and just hanging out with 20 year olds, I mean older as in 14-15. Sounds to be like while growing up, you had no family, which makes sense given your horrible take on this :manny:it also sounds like you think being black means you weren’t able to have anything. Yikes. Looks like the private school cacs you were referring to was yourself :yeshrug:
 

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I would say everybody knew Pac was dead, but a lot of people still thought he was alive because new music kept coming like R U Still Down, Gang Related soundtrack, and the Gridlock's OST. Pac being in those movies also added fuel to the conspiracies that he was alive. Tjat's not even mentioning the joint with Jon B.

So yeah Pac was STILL being bumped heavily.



I still remember "Who You Wit II" being a bigger deal than "Sunshine", which I don't even think was the main single. There was also "City Is Mine".



Breh, Atlanta was one of Mase's biggest markets, so I know you're off base there.



See my post above..



Were you in Atlanta all year? Unpredictable had not even been out a year at that point. November 1997, that album was only weeks old.




And again see my post above.


Mase - Harlem World came out in October 28th 1997,
Mystikal - Unpredictable came on November 11th 1997

You don't think one of the most anticipated album of that year in 97, being that it was Mystikal, who had just got on the tank, who had just dropped one of the best verses on Make'em Say Ugh, who was killing ALL his No Limit feature, who had everybody, when they got a No Limit going str8 to the song that featured Mystikal, you think Mase was getting more play than this dude when Mystikal album dropped in 97??

His album just coming out, would mean more ppl would be playing his album over Mase stuff which further proves my point when I was down there at those times.

When albums came out, back then, it was a necessity for you to bump the album

Mystikal album was played more breh and had more impact down south than any other artists you named


Why would I need to be in ATL year round?? Both albums were out at the time I was in ATL, again Mase "single" was played heavy on the radio. His "entire" album when I was there in the FALL of 97 was not being played at all. I heard Mystikal being played more when I was in ATL
 
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And yet I still bought nearly every No Limit album though came out from 97-98, even if I was buying them weeks after they came out. You are false on every account here. By older cousins and relatives, I didn’t mean being 10-11 and just hanging out with 20 year olds, I mean older as in 14-15. Sounds to be like while growing up, you had no family, which makes sense given your horrible take on this :manny:it also sounds like you think being black means you weren’t able to have anything. Yikes. Looks like the private school cacs you were referring to was yourself :yeshrug:

Ok breh Lol

Every black kid 9-10 year old had their own VCR growing up and they were able to watch I'm Bout It the movie in their room while eating snickers. If you had a brother or sister, and yall didn't share rooms, so that means that they each had their own VCR too? There was a VCR in every bedroom in the house in black folks households? :russ: 4 VCRs (living room, 2 kids room, and the parents bedroom) Stop it breh, this was not the case back then, you were lucky to have one, maybe two and that was in your parents room and living room

My take is horrible, ok. Your report card money that you got every 2 weeks (when you only get reports cards 4 times in a school year) allowed you to buy every No Limit CD along with other CDs and other items you were buying with your report card money. :stopitslime:

Your mama and daddy was riding you around everywhere so that you could spend your report card money that you would get every 2 weeks for your str8 A's :mjlol:

Stop it:russ:


It's all good breh
 
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I would say everybody knew Pac was dead, but a lot of people still thought he was alive because new music kept coming like R U Still Down, Gang Related soundtrack, and the Gridlock's OST. Pac being in those movies also added fuel to the conspiracies that he was alive. Tjat's not even mentioning the joint with Jon B.

So yeah Pac was STILL being bumped heavily.



I still remember "Who You Wit II" being a bigger deal than "Sunshine", which I don't even think was the main single. There was also "City Is Mine".



Breh, Atlanta was one of Mase's biggest markets, so I know you're off base there.



See my post above..



Were you in Atlanta all year? Unpredictable had not even been out a year at that point. November 1997, that album was only weeks old.




And again see my post above.


This was Mase single he had out before his album dropped






Mystikal had the single "It aint no Limit" as his "official" single

But radio was playing this

You really think nikkas were bumping Mase "feels so good" over The Man Right chea?? Lol...
Stop it breh

I was in ATL for it, You really think folks were bumping "Feels So Good" let alone riding around ATL listening to Mase "whole" album over a Mystikal Unpredicatable album??

You think folks in ATL was listening to a Jay-z album over Mystikal or a 2pac R U Still Down album with those "soft" singles he put out over "The Man Right Chea"??

Stop it breh, as I said, I was in ATL, in the areas where the black folks were and they were on Mystikal's album

 

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No Limit albums i owned and I'm from NY

Master P
the ghettos trying to kill me
Ice cream man
Ghetto d
The last Don
Ghetto Postage
Gameface
Good side bad side

Silkk
The Shocker
Charge it to the game
Made Man
My World My way

Tru
Tru 2 da game
Da crime family

C Murder
Life of death
Bossaline
Trapped in crime
Cp3.com

Soulja slim
Give it to em raw
The streets made me

Kane and abel
Am i my brothers keeper

Mac
Shell Shocked
World war 3

Fiend
there's one in every family
Street life

Mystikal
Unpredictable
Ghetto Fabulous

Mia x
Unlady like
Mama Drama

Mr Serv On
Life Insurance
The next level

Big Ed
The Assassin

Magic
Skys the limit
Thuggin

504 boyz
Ballers
Goodfellas

Snoop
Game is to be sold
The last meal
Top dog

Mr Marcelo
Brick living

Fullblooded
Memorial day

Prime Suspects
GTPI

Gambino Family
Ghetto Organized

All the soundtracks except foolish..
 

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Witnessing those cats blow up was like jiffy popcorn on the muthafukkin stove shaking it. Off that first Bout It buzzin, word of mouth, in the strip club n hood spots to the droppin of that ice cream man and that 2nd Bout It, gotdamn. Not to mention Ghetto D, Tru, n Mysttikal even touching down yet.

Best thing about the music scene during that time frame for me was going away to college. You got to see what EVERYBODY was playin, buying from other cities.

Dorm hoppin on campus, every fukkin floor, roadtrips to parties, functions, step shows. Hoe$ mobbin through in packs from other colleges. If you played ball, travellin to other colleges in other cities, hotels, malls, mo hoe$...

Family reunions, bruhs n sistas from all over the muthafukin map, drivin, flying down....

And guess what you heard outta everybody's mouth? What you saw in everybody's CD/tape collection? When you stood in line what was on that muthafukkin rack, what were they buyin? Pumpin outta K5's, lacs, box chevies, from Q's to squares, to grey hoe$ with one gold tooth.

The movement was infectious in real time, so much fun and comedy because it was the real life coli when I look back. There were some muthafukkaz I knew some NY cats who haaaaaaated n limit, lol. But we would all be at a function, and bout it, or the man rightchea would come on and them nikkaz would start BOUNCIN just like everybody else!!! Then catch em a week later with Unpredictable in their rotation.

:mjgrin:

Yeah bruh, cats dont get it, it was a beautiful time.:russ:
Had camron running to do remixes while jay was mad as hell “hey ny..... when the hell we start bouncing”
 

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Imagine making a lengthy post like this and being completely wrong :mjlol::mjlol: I was 10-11 in 97-98 and was scraping together report card money and being taken up to record stores to buy cassettes of No Limit. Do you know how much cassettes cost in 1997-98??? Those shyts were just a pinch less than cds:laff:you don’t think kids grew up being around their parents or older cousins listening to music:gucci: That’s literally how you’re ingrained to like what you like. If you were from like 5th grade to HS in the mid to late 90s, you’re probably the owner of multiple cd cases from over the years.

Also, from 97-00, I knew how to set up a VHS and was recording WWF Raws, but had to sneak and watch the second hour :russ: kids will find a way to do whatever they want.


This is Factory

as a kid in the 90s you were looking to start your music collection and everyone had at least one no limit album.

I remember my middle school friend trading C-Murder Bossilini For a Joe album with the dude who was fukking his mother.
 

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Mase - Harlem World came out in October 28th 1997,
Mystikal - Unpredictable came on November 11th 1997



You don't think one of the most anticipated album of that year in 97, being that it was Mystikal, who had just got on the tank, who had just dropped one of the best verses on Make'em Say Ugh, who was killing ALL his No Limit feature, who had everybody, when they got a No Limit going str8 to the song that featured Mystikal, you think Mase was getting more play than this dude when Mystikal album dropped in 97??

His album just coming out, would mean more ppl would be playing his album over Mase stuff which further proves my point when I was down there at those times.

When albums came out, back then, it was a necessity for you to bump the album

Mystikal album was played more breh and had more impact down south than any other artists you named


Why would I need to be in ATL year round?? Both albums were out at the time I was in ATL, again Mase "single" was played heavy on the radio. His "entire" album when I was there in the FALL of 97 was not being played at all. I heard Mystikal being played more when I was in ATL

Mase's album was also anticipated, heavily I might add.

Breh, in the era of CD's a lotnof people weren't playing them all the way through. That was the whole appeal of having CD's because you could bump the songs you wanted. A lot of people never knew song titles. They referred to the songs by track number. Those that had the money even had players where they could program the songs. And I can tell you for a fact that not everybody was playing any of these albums entirely.

Mystikal was huge no doubt, but to make it like Unpredictable was the only thing people were bumping down here at the time is gullible.
 
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