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everyone is far too confident in the MCU Xmen. people always cite the Avengers for being a "b squad" but they were new. it was fresh to see them in movies. MCU is flabby and sick and about to hit us with basically the 3rd iteration of the gay ass Xmen, i'm not so sure the rennaissance is gonna happen like some expect. i also don't believe they're gonna be able to make many huge solo movies out of the xmen and build to big event films.

I've mentioned it many times before, the comic book universe peaked with Endgame and the attachment just isn't going to be there with future movies and characters going forward as it was previously even if they bring the X-Men into the fold. I called right when the news was first announced that they were going to be shows out on Disney+ that it was going to be a flop that hurt them long term.

Yeah some of the movies will still eclipse $1+ million plus, but the spectacle just isn't going to be there anymore and it was impressive that it was previously that they were able to make it to events like Civil War and Infinity War.

Especially since they have to adapt new stories. That Fox didn’t already do or fukked up(Phoenix Saga, Weapon X saga, Apocalypse saga, Days of Future Past, etc). Not saying that those stories are the only good X-men stories. But Fox did adapt a hand full of X-men’s greatest hits. So we’ll see, rumors are saying that Mr. Sinister might be the villain. For the MCU’s first X-men movie so I’m interested.

To be blunt, people (millennials) overstate if not overrate the x-men based on their own nostalgia from a 1992 cartoon and some capcom fighting games, while being unable to see the forest from the trees: that is, we've had 15 years of x-men movies (2000-2015'ish) of varying quality and the only ones that hit box office-wise were largely the adjacent spoofs featuring Deadpool.

Their pop culture reign in the 90s was cool (in a big fish, small pond way), but it'd be like Magic (x-men) and Bird (jla) stans not wanting to acknowledge what that Jordan mfer was, and still tryna cling to the old days, when the thing about the old days is....

But of course, the same could apply if this turns out to be the washington wizards era of the RDJ MCU :mjlol:


So we'll see
 

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To be blunt, people (millennials) overstate if not overrate the x-men based on their own nostalgia from a 1992 cartoon and some capcom fighting games, while being unable to see the forest from the trees: that is, we've had 15 years of x-men movies (2000-2015'ish) of varying quality and the only ones that hit box office-wise were largely the adjacent spoofs featuring Deadpool.

Their pop culture reign in the 90s was cool (in a big fish, small pond way), but it'd be like Magic (x-men) and Bird (jla) stans not wanting to acknowledge what that Jordan mfer was, and still tryna cling to the old days, when the thing about the old days is....

But of course, the same could apply if this turns out to be the washington wizards era of the RDJ MCU :mjlol:


So we'll see
I mean X-Men 97 proved it could be done right in the right hands that understand the story and characters.
 

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Animation is completely different than live action and arguably have more free reign IMO
Well sure. You could say the same with TV. Or even if they made an X-Men book where Jean, Scott, and Logan talked about their issues for 100 pages in the middle of it because it could be done lol. But it doesn't change the fact that any medium should be able to create good characterizations and interesting plots. Plus it wasn't until recent times that animation was looked at in this way any way.

The Fox X-Men verse really only had 2 good movies X2 and DOFP, Logan which doesn't count, and First Class which is decent. The rest were trash because they tried to do way too much. As long as Disney doesn't try to overstuff these new movies like The Eternals I feel they have a blueprint for a better series of movies.

Disney has been hit or miss lately as well but I just feel like they really didn't know what to do with Kang and this current reset was for the best. They got like 3 movies coming out this year tho so we'll know if they're back on track for sure.
 

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Well sure. You could say the same with TV. Or even if they made an X-Men book where Jean, Scott, and Logan talked about their issues for 100 pages in the middle of it because it could be done lol. But it doesn't change the fact that any medium should be able to create good characterizations and interesting plots. Plus it wasn't until recent times that animation was looked at in this way any way.

The Fox X-Men verse really only had 2 good movies X2 and DOFP, Logan which doesn't count, and First Class which is decent. The rest were trash because they tried to do way too much. As long as Disney doesn't try to overstuff these new movies like The Eternals I feel they have a blueprint for a better series of movies.

Disney has been hit or miss lately as well but I just feel like they really didn't know what to do with Kang and this current reset was for the best. They got like 3 movies coming out this year tho so we'll know if they're back on track for sure.
Not entirely true as there's been a lot of decent animation shows from both Marvel and DC over the years that have gotten cancelled for a variety of different reasons. That's not counting the number of previous X-Men shows that have gotten canned, which could have been just as successful was X-Men 97 if given the opportunity to let cook.

Hell, for the most part Marvel struggles with the animation side of things more than the live action one.
 

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To be blunt, people (millennials) overstate if not overrate the x-men based on their own nostalgia from a 1992 cartoon and some capcom fighting games, while being unable to see the forest from the trees: that is, we've had 15 years of x-men movies (2000-2015'ish) of varying quality and the only ones that hit box office-wise were largely the adjacent spoofs featuring Deadpool.

Their pop culture reign in the 90s was cool (in a big fish, small pond way), but it'd be like Magic (x-men) and Bird (jla) stans not wanting to acknowledge what that Jordan mfer was, and still tryna cling to the old days, when the thing about the old days is....

But of course, the same could apply if this turns out to be the washington wizards era of the RDJ MCU :mjlol:


So we'll see
X-Men 97 kind of proves you wrong.
 

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Animation is completely different than live action and arguably have more free reign IMO
I agree,
i actually keep telling cyclops fans that his character works better in animation than live action.
A actor that has to keep his eyes covered at all times is never going to lead a franchise in the way they want.
Audiences get too detached emotionally from them. It only works when they are robotic and emotionless, like Robocop or Mandalorian.
Thinking they can make him like Malcom X or even Captain America is not happening. He will never be the face of the franchise because he is faceless at the end of the day.
 

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lol…. Reading through the pages and seeing certain posters take their shots (or make their jokes) at Marvel and this movie. :mjlol:

So I guess it’s free game for me too:mjgrin:

Not trynna hear no one be no hypocrite and whine about future comments I may make that’s aligned with others in here since the others already opened that door and it was tolerated:sas2:
 

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Not entirely true as there's been a lot of decent animation shows from both Marvel and DC over the years that have gotten cancelled for a variety of different reasons. That's not counting the number of previous X-Men shows that have gotten canned, which could have been just as successful was X-Men 97 if given the opportunity to let cook.

Hell, for the most part Marvel struggles with the animation side of things more than the live action one.
I don't disagree just saying that Animation in this current time is looked more as a medium to tell great stories more than ever. It's actually in quite a Renaissance. Yeah, back in the day we had the DCAU, Avatar, Samurai Jack, Spectacular SM, X-Men, etc. but they weren't looked at as critical darlings like Arcane, Blue Eyed Samurai, Castlevania, X-Men 97 and such. But that's all a bit off topic here and you're right that shows like Wolverine and the X-Men got canned way too quick.
 
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