Religion/Spirituality Atheism Discussion

[Blackking]

That's a big number. Wow.





Man, I gave you a whole list of charities the other day and you're still going on about this?

They were mainly organizations to promote a secular society.... or to promote a 'humanist society'... or to promote so called free though, lol....... or to promote well themselves.



A post in this thread answered the OP PERFECTLY
hERE is the response....

Higher Learning.

lol, That's obviously what a athist society would look like ............. HL aka.................


A low momentum, low traction, 'circle jerk' .........

self-edvident based on the so called "whole list of charities"..




but i'm not dissing atheist... i just yesterday and today am pretending to be one... It's actually easier to be atheist than it is Muslims if you don't feel like explaining shyt to people.

 

[tmonster]

Assuming atheism would be the only variable that would change, the world wouldn't look much different from what it looks like now, minus the absence of religious extremists and religious institutions.

 

[Poitier]

The art, fiction, music, food, dance would all suck.

"Big data" would serve as God.

More nihilistic sociopaths committing acts of violence.

 

[Thsnnor]

This is the reality of a society void of Any spiritual belief^^^^^^^^^^

Not to mention --- much of the ground work laid for our advancement has religion motivation and base to it. I know these people didn't discover shyt but many of them invented entire thoughts based on spiritual curiosity , for example many of the things we know about astrology, details of the human body, and mathematics.

Not to mention --- You are hard pressed to find an athiest charity or positive organization to donate to. Not that athiest are evil or that religious people are mostly nice .. The fact remains....... religious motivation does more good than harm 10/1..... if you are looking at quantity wise. For every religious cac that blow up an abortion clinic for example... you have Millions of religious crakkers feeding the homeless, donating to causes, going on marches and runs, taking care of random animals, cleaning up water in 8th world lands , and just helping people out.
for every 1 so called extreme 'islamist' ............. You have damn near all Muslims on Earth putting the Earth on their back aka some shyt that an atheist doesn't usually think about doing. A nice athiest might not do shyt to help anyone. I nice Muslim might not either........... but he still will because he has a push to do as much good in the world before he does........ along with a Billion others just like him.

Not to mention --- There are laws we like. there is order in societies. Despite each society being flawed......... fact remains damn near all of the bases of the majority of societies on Earth have been religion.



Some people will foolishly say ........ Everything will be better without religion, but those same people will say that nothing good has came from religion. You can't have it both ways because

1) spirituality doesn't conflict with science and societal advancement (obviously , as nearly every discipline of science and most advancements were made by the religious or under the religious. )
2) "Religion is simply an ideal. It is an ideal force that tends to free the human being from material bonds. I do not believe that matter and energy are interchangeable, any more than are the body and soul. There is just so much matter in the universe and it cannot be destroyed. As I see life on this planet, there is no individuality. It may sound ridiculous to say so, but I believe each person is but a wave passing through space, ever-changing from minute to minute as it travels along, finally, some day, just becoming dissolved."

I wonder what would happen to people with down syndrome, CP, ADHD, pica, MR, leprosy, other types of physical handicapped, hearing impaired, and blindness under a full atheistic society....
Survival of the fittest and all.

Richard Dawkins, Down syndrome, and worldview


Richard Dawkins, a well-known atheist/agnostic, sowed the wind of controversy and reaped another online whirlwind of outrage when he made a statement completely consistent with his worldview. A woman on Twitter wrote, “I honestly don’t know what I would do if I were pregnant with a kid with Down Syndrome. Real ethical dilemma.” To which Dawkins replied, “Abort it and try again. It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice.”
http://www.worldmag.com/2014/08/richard_dawkins_down_syndrome_and_worldview

Dawkins spoke his mind as an atheist and gave an honest view point.

Step up and claim your reward athiests. Take your world viewpoint to its end. It's like people get as far as they want to and stop when they get comfortable. People would rather believe a comfortable LIE than deal with an uncomfortable TRUTH.

Dawkins writes:
“The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference. As that unhappy poet A.E. Housman put it: ‘For Nature, heartless, witless Nature Will neither care nor know.’ DNA neither cares nor knows. DNA just is. And we dance to its music.”

If atheism (and all that it entails) is true people should be celebrating others death cause you just moved up in the hierarchy. If you feel something when people die then there must be something more to life and people are not a bunch of DNA, genes, random processes put together.

Which is it people have value or they don't. Is it Oochie Wally or One Mic. Atheism and Theism can't both be true.

 

[acri1]

Some of yall really sound like you lost an argument with an atheist and caught feelings or something.

 

[Thsnnor]

That's a big number. Wow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence

Over 100 Million killed in less than 25 years due to kicking God out of their countries. The RCC has been killing Christians since Jesus Himself. Still killing to this day. Who took pictures with Hitler and Musolinni??? the RCC. True Christians will not kill. Jesus said #1 Love God with all you are and #2 Love your neighbour as yourself.

It may seem like a small number to you but Neitche said himself it would happen. Nietzsche predicted that the twentieth century man would come of age. By this he meant that the atheist of the twentieth century would realize the consequences of living in a world without God, for without God there are no absolute moral values. Man is free to play God and create his own morality. Because of this, prophesied Nietzsche, the twentieth century would be the bloodiest century in human history. Still, Nietzsche was optimistic, for man could create his own meaning, truth, and morality. Set free from belief in a non-existent God, man could excel like never before. Nietzsche viewed the changes that would occur as man becoming more than man (the superman or overman), rather than man becoming less than man.

 

[Thsnnor]

Some of yall really sound like you lost an argument with an atheist and caught feelings or something.

I'm not catching feelings. Its hard when almost every atheist has a different standard and there is no central theme to unite them all.

 

[rapbeats]

Assuming atheism would be the only variable that would change, the world wouldn't look much different from what it looks like now, minus the absence of religious extremists and religious institutions.

yes you would no longer have murders hide behind ISIS or Al Q, They would just do their dirt behind some other group/gang name.

Are the crips and bloods a religious group? NOPE. but they've done much more harm then good have they not. What makes anyone think the crazees would stop with these good books gone? It wouldnt. a Nut is a nut regardless of his so called religious affiliation. They would just use some other excuse to kill innocent folks, or harm innocent people, etc, etc. Since people only think of the extremis when they think of religion.

An All Atheist setup is a lower level of Philanthropy...study's have shown

http://philanthropy.com/article/Religious-Americans-Give-More/143273/
The more important religion is to a person, the more likely that person is to give to a charity of any kind, according to new research released today.

Among Americans who claim a religious affiliation, the study said, 65 percent give to charity. Among those who do not identify a religious creed, 56 percent make charitable gifts.

About 75 percent of people who frequently attend religious services gave to congregations, and 60 percent gave to religious charities or nonreligious ones. By comparison, fewer than half of people who said they didn’t attend faith services regularly supported any charity, even a even secular one.

“If your goal is to connect with donors, it’s clear that one of the things that matters to them is their religious orientation,” says Shawn Landres, Jumpstart’s chief executive and a co-author of the report.

 

[acri1]

I'm not catching feelings. Its hard when almost every atheist has a different standard and there is no central theme to unite them all.

Of course there's no atheist standard because atheism isn't a belief system. It's just lack of belief in any gods. That's literally it.

You could be pro-science and be an atheist or you could be anti-science and be an atheist. You could believe that religion is a force for good in the world and still be an atheist, or you could believe the opposite. You could be liberal or conservative. You could be pro-life or pro-choice. You could think the bible is the greatest book ever and still be an atheist if you don't actually think god exists. Lack of belief in the existence of a god is literally the only thing that all atheists have in common.

 

[JahFocus CS]

There would still be children dying of starvation, labor would still be exploited, settler colonialism and neocolonialism would still exist (perhaps they'd need to find different justifications though)... All evils and undesirable things in the world don't boil down to religion.

 

[JahFocus CS]

An atheistic society will ultimately lead to Facism. Started with Lenin and ended with Stalin, Musseloini, Pot and Mao. Combined they killed over 100 million.

This makes no sense. You say an atheistic society will lead to fascism, but then 4 of the 5 examples you provide weren't fascists . The only fascist you mentioned was Mussolini.

Provide a breakdown for that 100 million number please, and justify it in each case.

If your only criterion is someone dying of any cause under atheism or any other system of religious belief/non-belief, then I wonder what the death count is for religious societies! It must be in the billions!

 

[tmonster]

There would still be children dying of starvation, labor would still be exploited, settler colonialism and neocolonialism would still exist (perhaps they'd need to find different justifications though)... All evils and undesirable things in the world don't boil down to religion.

 

[HideoKojima]

Society would be a little different. I think more people would kill(People are more scared of deities than the law, go figure) or commit suicide. My friend told me she would've killed herself if it wasn't for Islam.

 

[Thsnnor]

This makes no sense. You say an atheistic society will lead to fascism, but then 4 of the 5 examples you provide weren't fascists . The only fascist you mentioned was Mussolini.

Provide a breakdown for that 100 million number please, and justify it in each case.

If your only criterion is someone dying of any cause under atheism or any other system of religious belief/non-belief, then I wonder what the death count is for religious societies! It must be in the billions!

Did we all not learn this in school? The first people they went after were religious and disabled. I'm not bringing new information to the table its already done. If God is removed something has to take the place and most people place other people on that stand.

 

[88m3]

so i guess we're going to pretend religious communities/countries aren't extremely violent?