Religion/Spirituality Atheism Discussion

[Won Won]

not all atheists are expert scientists and engineers

 

[scarlxrd]

A place where we take all the money that goes into religion... and put it into science and discovery?

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

the hyperloop is being developed as it is. thats a step in the right direction.

the main problem is that our expansion in country-wide infrastructure and buildings happened in a major way in the 50s-60s-70s-80s and there has been limited land and ways to build around the aforementioned to significantly improve and modernize. not only is there generally limited funds to renovate and/or build many high-end and modernized structures from the ground up, but it would also require knocking down older stuff to have the space and ability to do...unless the gov't goes absolutely overboard with em.domain or wayyy into debt..it is borderline impossible, let alone getting current land, residential and commercially zoned building owners to agree to cease living there and running their businesses. the whole country...federal, state and private citizens would be completely bankrupted

 

[ill]

Probably more violent because stupid people require structure and discipline.

This is my argument that religion was the original form of government. Stupid people always need parameters to their livelihoods.

 

[acri1]

Probably more violent because stupid people require structure and discipline.

This is very unlikely to be true.

Statistically atheists aren't more violent than religious people, and countries with a higher percentage of atheists aren't more violent (in fact, the opposite is true). I'm not saying that this is directly because of it, but I'm not aware of any studies suggesting that religion actually keeps people from being violent.

If anything, most studies suggest that people in shytty economic/sociopolitical situations feel more of a need to follow a religion, for obvious (and understandable) reasons.

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

This is very unlikely to be true.

Statistically atheists aren't more violent than religious people, and countries with a higher percentage of atheists aren't more violent (in fact, the opposite is true). I'm not saying that this is directly because of it, but I'm not aware of any studies suggesting that religion actually keeps people from being violent.

If anything, most studies suggest that people in shytty economic/sociopolitical situations feel more of a need to follow a religion, for obvious (and understandable) reasons.

The underlying assumption behind most of your post is that atheists and religious people are intellectually similar. I referred specifically to stupid people in my post.

Obviously there is more than one factor determining the level of violence in different areas. No need to get sidetracked here.

 

[acri1]

The underlying assumption behind most of your post is that atheists and religious people are intellectually similar. I referred specifically to stupid people in my post.

Obviously there is more than one factor determining the level of violence in different areas. No need to get sidetracked here.

I guess my issue is this...the underlying assumption you're making is that there are people who would otherwise be violent that aren't because of religion. I've never seen ANY evidence that religion is effective at stopping anyone from being violent if they want to be.

If religion is supposed to prevent violence then it seems extremely ineffective at doing so.

 

[Futuristic Eskimo]

I guess my issue is this...the underlying assumption you're making is that there are people who would otherwise be violent that aren't because of religion. I've never seen ANY evidence that religion is effective at stopping anyone from being violent if they want to be.

If religion is supposed to prevent violence then it seems extremely ineffective at doing so.

You really think that there's no one out there being good because they are genuinely worried about the eternal repercussions of their actions? You're basically saying that no one takes these religious laws seriously. I see the terribly argument being made all the time that there can be no morality without a god by religious people. Presumably, these people wouldn't feel bound to that law. The fact that violence exists in a religious world disproves nothing I said.

My point was that religion provides structure to otherwise dull minds. If all else was equal and religion was removed from the equation, then I don't think its a stretch to say these people would be more inclined to act irrationally. In the real world, the structure provided by religion would probably be replaced with some other form of order like a police state or statolatry.

 

[88m3]

since everyone knows atheists are all gay, life would cease to exist

 

[acri1]

You really think that there's no one out there being good because they are genuinely worried about the eternal repercussions of their actions? You're basically saying that no one takes these religious laws seriously. I see the terribly argument being made all the time that there can be no morality without a god by religious people. Presumably, these people wouldn't feel bound to that law. The fact that violence exists in a religious world disproves nothing I said.

I'd argue that you're taking that terrible "there would be no morals without religion" argument that religious people like to make more seriously than it deserves to be taken.

Some religious people think that religion is the only thing keeping them from being evil serial killers, but I highly doubt that's actually true or that very many religious people would be out here murdering people if it wasn't for religion.

 

[I.AM.PIFF]

Atheism isn't a belief, it's the absence of a belief. People aren't going to structure their behavior and society based on the absence of something. Asking what an atheist society would be like is like asking what a sport with no ball would be like.

What a place like that would be like would depend completely on other factors (culture, economic/political systems, ethnic makeup, educational levels, etc.) and have little to do with the populace being atheist.

Basically this

I'm entertained by how some people think an atheist society will be an utopian paradise with no discrimination or anything. If it's not beliefs, it'll be something else

 

[Thsnnor]

An atheistic society will ultimately lead to Facism. Started with Lenin and ended with Stalin, Musseloini, Pot and Mao. Combined they killed over 100 million.

 

[Blackking]

not all atheists are expert scientists and engineers

breh.... As soon as you say the word skydaddy ,

But Yale and Havard gives you Honorary doctorates in biochemistry and mechanical engineering.

 

[Blackking]

An atheistic society will ultimately lead to Facism. Started with Lenin and ended with Stalin, Musseloini, Pot and Mao. Combined they killed over 100 million.

This is the reality of a society void of Any spiritual belief^^^^^^^^^^

Not to mention --- much of the ground work laid for our advancement has religion motivation and base to it. I know these people didn't discover shyt but many of them invented entire thoughts based on spiritual curiosity , for example many of the things we know about astrology, details of the human body, and mathematics.

Not to mention --- You are hard pressed to find an athiest charity or positive organization to donate to. Not that athiest are evil or that religious people are mostly nice .. The fact remains....... religious motivation does more good than harm 10/1..... if you are looking at quantity wise. For every religious cac that blow up an abortion clinic for example... you have Millions of religious crakkers feeding the homeless, donating to causes, going on marches and runs, taking care of random animals, cleaning up water in 8th world lands , and just helping people out.
for every 1 so called extreme 'islamist' ............. You have damn near all Muslims on Earth putting the Earth on their back aka some shyt that an atheist doesn't usually think about doing. A nice athiest might not do shyt to help anyone. I nice Muslim might not either........... but he still will because he has a push to do as much good in the world before he does........ along with a Billion others just like him.

Not to mention --- There are laws we like. there is order in societies. Despite each society being flawed......... fact remains damn near all of the bases of the majority of societies on Earth have been religion.



Some people will foolishly say ........ Everything will be better without religion, but those same people will say that nothing good has came from religion. You can't have it both ways because

1) spirituality doesn't conflict with science and societal advancement (obviously , as nearly every discipline of science and most advancements were made by the religious or under the religious. )
2) "Religion is simply an ideal. It is an ideal force that tends to free the human being from material bonds. I do not believe that matter and energy are interchangeable, any more than are the body and soul. There is just so much matter in the universe and it cannot be destroyed. As I see life on this planet, there is no individuality. It may sound ridiculous to say so, but I believe each person is but a wave passing through space, ever-changing from minute to minute as it travels along, finally, some day, just becoming dissolved."

 

[scarlxrd]

An atheistic society will ultimately lead to Facism. Started with Lenin and ended with Stalin, Musseloini, Pot and Mao. Combined they killed over 100 million.

That's a big number. Wow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence

You are hard pressed to find an athiest charity or positive organization to donate to.

Man, I gave you a whole list of charities the other day and you're still going on about this?