Religion/Spirituality Atheism Discussion

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

Nah the OP is meant to be personalized breh...

You're looking at the OP and applying it to the already presumed stance of a naturalistic world

Here's what the OP is getting at

When an individual believes in God/Creator they then establish a foundation to where they can believe moral values that go beyond what state/govt/culture institutes

They have a basis to believe that man has an intrinsic worth and moral obligations to where they can believe something to be right or wrong on an objective level

but its not on an objective level. just because you believe it to be doesn't make it so. in fact, that's how most of the violence in the bible and modern day islamic extremists are justified.

The atheist..doesnt have this foundation
The naturalistic worldview doesnt provide a transcendant foundation for objective moral values to exist
Thats not to say..you cant believe in social constructs existing
But that is to say..that if you truly believe in the worldview in which you claim then u must adhere to the fact that morality becomes just a mere illusion accoriding to your worldview

But not just that..
Due to the origin of our existence being what it is in this worldview
We are given no collective purpose
So things like "human rights"..which I referenced in the OP

Makes no sense to be fought for by an atheist..when u look at the naturalistic worldview

Sht like rights, worth, thats all illusion breh breh.

So what was the purpose of the OP?

Was it to make atheists believe in God??

No

Its to ask the question

If you are an atheist how in da blue hell do you account for concepts such as human rights, human worth, and a violation of those things that go beyond what state/govt/culture impute on us?

i swear sometimes i read shyt like this and it sounds like, "if you don't believe in 'god', you must be a sociopath. and if you're not a sociopath, then why not?"

i think yall are too caught up on "transcendent being" to dictate what's moral that you fail to see that the idea of human rights, human worth, etc all transcend religion itself. the 'naturalistic worldview' would say that's because its something innate in us as humans. it has nothing to do what one believes about spirituality or the supernatural, those are just the avenues people use to try and define the phenomenon. animals don't believe in god, they don't have moral behavior, and yet you never see an all out bloodfest among them. is that because they're being held back by a transcendent being, or is it because they act according to whats innate to them?

 

[blackslash]

but its not on an objective level. just because you believe it to be doesn't make it so. in fact, that's how most of the violence in the bible and modern day islamic extremists are justified.




i swear sometimes i read shyt like this and it sounds like, "if you don't believe in 'god', you must be a sociopath. and if you're not a sociopath, then why not?"

i think yall are too caught up on "transcendent being" to dictate what's moral that you fail to see that the idea of human rights, human worth, etc all transcend religion itself. the 'naturalistic worldview' would say that's because its something innate in us as humans. it has nothing to do what one believes about spirituality or the supernatural, those are just the avenues people use to try and define the phenomenon. animals don't believe in god, they don't have moral behavior, and yet you never see an all out bloodfest among them. is that because they're being held back by a transcendent being, or is it because they act according to whats innate to them?

Dude.. again I keep telling you..The OP is meant to be personalized to the worldview YOU adhere to

The question is simple....

If you are an atheist who is supposedly opened up to the "fact" of the origins of our universe and ourselves and understanding fact and the bare bones truth

Then how(according to the natural worldview) can you account for things like human rights, worth, and a violation of those things that go beyond what state/govt/culture impute on us??

Again..the question is meant to be personalized on the basis of your belief and claims of the worldview You believe

 

[you're NOT "n!ggas"]

Dude.. again I keep telling you..The OP is meant to be personalized to the worldview YOU adhere to

The question is simple....

If you are an atheist who is supposedly opened up to the "fact" of the origins of our universe and ourselves and understanding fact and the bare bones truth

Then how(according to the natural worldview) can you account for things like human rights, worth, and a violation of those things that go beyond what state/govt/culture impute on us??

Again..the question is meant to be personalized on the basis of your belief and claims of the worldview You believe

is it crazy to say i believe what i wrote? idk what ya'll want. i said before human rights and worth are innate to us. as far as violations go, i don't think there's anything you can really do beyond state/govt/culture... of course religions would be included in that sphere too (culture) but ya'll don't wanna hear that so i'm still at a loss

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Don't worry. We don't you seriously either.

Your GOD is so powerful that he can't end suffering. Instead of making a utopia, he created a world with suffering. He claims to love all his children but he can't end suffering...

He's so powerful but he can't defeat evil...

GOD is a human manifestations. He's about as real as Santa Claus.

You think God's purpose is to end suffering and evil?

Like I said, you lack understanding.

 

[Mr.Black]

Kid talks to imaginary friend = crazy

Grown man dresses up and goes to a building to talk to an imaginary friend = normal

 

[Xerces]

stupidest fukkin question ive ever read

you see an atheist looks around and sees the tangible effects of something like human suffering and says shyt, those people need help right now

whereas a religious fool is content to pray that people receive help, or feel relief that "at least god has a spot for them in heaven"

why dont u get back to work on that nas essay

Are you saying that there aren't religious people right at this moment in 3rd world countries trying to help out/and or don't send money to help out?

 

[blackslash]

is it crazy to say i believe what i wrote? idk what ya'll want. i said before human rights and worth are innate to us. as far as violations go, i don't think there's anything you can really do beyond state/govt/culture... of course religions would be included in that sphere too (culture) but ya'll don't wanna hear that so i'm still at a loss

Like I said yea based on the worldview you believe in religion would be in that same category but like I said the question is meant to be personalized

A religious person(whether its true or not) believes in a proper foundation with which he can believe in right and wrong without it not contradicting his own belief

Atheist on the other hand suffers from a contradiction when they try and establish right and wrong on a plane that goes above state/goct/culture

Again the question is not directed towards atheists that accept this but rather the ones who believe in sht like human rights/ human worth and a violation of such things

If u are not one of those atheists..then u guccii

On another note

at these atheists who whenever questioned about their worldviews they have to resort to desperate attacks...and childish ad hominem

Sht is about atheism and is a question directed towards that worldview..stop tryna spin the thread
(btw this is not directed at the person im quoting, but to the posts in this thread that are guilty of such)

 

[Chris Mauro]

Lets talk about how that chick is really hot tho



goddamn

 

[Slang]

By Rick Couri
The famous horror writer may be better known for creatures from Hell but he believes in heaven.
During an interview Stephen King gave his views of a higher power, saying ,“I choose to believe it. I mean, there’s no downside to that. If you say, ‘Well, OK, I don’t believe in God, there’s no evidence of God,’ then you’re missing the stars in the sky and you’re missing the sunrises and sunsets and you’re missing the fact that bees pollinate all these crops and keep us alive and the way that everything seems to work together.”
King theorized that if you add it all up, it’s hard to deny the world had a creator, a higher power.
He added, “Everything is sort of built in a way that to me suggests intelligent design.”
King did admit that life provides moments that test even the most fervent of believers wondering about “the big guy's personality.”
The author also admitted his own views are sometimes challenged and he reserved the right to change them on a moment’s notice.

Author Stephen King tells atheists

 

[ChrisDorner]

It's foolish to believe there is absolutely no possibility of there being a higher power

It is also foolish to treat all things said & shown in any religion as fact

 

[Brown Ant]

The chance that there is a superior 'creator' is higher than if there wasn't. Though, I won't fully believe shyt 'til I experience it.

 

[Mr. Negative]

Stephen King isn't a Christian.

And even if he were, the christian community as a whole would deny him.

 

[same damn lo sweater]

the chances of a novelist being atheist are slim.

i think faith is all about imagination & having your own distinct interpretation. not upholding concrete ideas like a lot of religious nutjobs

 

[Slim]

I reject the notion that I must believe in a creator in order to see the beauty in nature and the cosmos.

 

[Slang]

Stephen King isn't a Christian.

And even if he were, the christian community as a whole would deny him.

The original post isn't about Christianity, it is addressing atheists.

I reject the notion that I must believe in a creator in order to see the beauty in nature and the cosmos.

There is no beauty within nature or the cosmos, we are provided, obligated, to utilize the raw materials to create beauty out of it.