At what point during 2016 election campaign did it dawn on you that Trump might actually win

[Carl Tethers]

Being racist in provate and using coded language aka dog whistles like states rights, welfare queens etal
isn not the same as being overtly racist and just straight up calling mexicans rapist and drug dealers

Also 2015 was a far more progressive and politically correct era than the 60s-80s. That comment should have sank his campaign no matter how you slice it.

Sadly, that shyt probably helped Trump. A load of racists like,

"We can say the quiet part outloud now? After all this time? "

 

[Jalether]

Sadly, that shyt probably helped Trump. A load of racists like,

"We can say the quiet part outloud now? "

Rush limbaugh and gingrich carried the torch and passed it over to michelle bachman et al and trump finished the job

 

[mitter]

As soon as it became clear that he could win the Republican nomination

Once it is down to two candidates in a general election, anything can happen

 

[hashmander]

Would it be fair to say that that was the greatest norms-shattering event in American election history? Until that moment, I don't think anyone would have believed that a candidate could do something like that and still win. Now we are willing to believe anything - I mean "grab her by the p*ssy" seems tame compared to Trump's pandemic response, refusal to accept election results, and insurrection support....yet we're talking like he's a frontrunner for 2024 no matter what he does.

If it was reported tomorrow that Trump had punched Melania and given her a black eye, would it even affect his chances?

would probably enhance it. among his male supporters it would make him more of a man and the kind of female that supports trump probably thinks that's the best way for a man to show how much he loves her.

the only one who faced consequences was billy bush.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Being racist in provate and using coded language aka dog whistles like states rights, welfare queens etal
isn not the same as being overtly racist and just straight up calling mexicans rapist and drug dealers

Also 2015 was a far more progressive and politically correct era than the 60s-80s. That comment should have sank his campaign no matter how you slice it.

Except his comment wasn't "overtly racist" - he said they weren't sending their best. He didn't say, "Mexicans are criminals", he said, "Mexicans are dumping their criminals on us". He still had plausible deniability just like Reagan did.

I agree he leaned into the racism harder that previous presidential candidates had....but even then, not nearly as hard as southern governors did in the 1960s and early 1970s. So it wasn't unprecedented in politics. At worse it was a reversion to previous norms, not a new norm. Remember Strom Thurmond literally ran for president on segregation as a platform and won 4 states, then remained a senator until 2003. I don't know anyone who heard Trump's Mexicans comment in 2015 and thought, "That kills his chances, he's done now." It's not what I felt for sure. But a lot of people, including me, thought "grab her by the p*ssy" was going to be the end of his candidacy.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Rush limbaugh and gingrich carried the touch and passed it over to michelle bachman et al and trump finished the job

Pretty much the exact progression.

A LOT of what is wrong with politics today is the descendant of Gingrich purposely fukking up the system.

 

[the cac mamba]

Would it be fair to say that that was the greatest norms-shattering event in American election history? Until that moment, I don't think anyone would have believed that a candidate could do something like that and still win. Now we are willing to believe anything - I mean "grab her by the p*ssy" seems tame compared to Trump's pandemic response, refusal to accept election results, and insurrection support....yet we're talking like he's a frontrunner for 2024 no matter what he does.

If it was reported tomorrow that Trump had punched Melania and given her a black eye, would it even affect his chances?

theres absolutely nothing trump can do to lose support among his base only thing dems can do is present a viable alternative, not named biden or kamala.

because that base has shrunk enough, and died from refusing the vaccine, so its still very beatable. gotta be able to sell that candidate to the middle tho

 

[Professor Emeritus]

theres absolutely nothing trump can do to lose support among his base only thing dems can do is present a viable alternative, not named biden or kamala.

because that base has shrunk enough, and died from refusing the vaccine, so its still very beatable. gotta be able to sell that candidate to the middle tho

Wait, you just posted a conservative Republican strategist arguing Dems should move to the right?


Hilarious that she's using issues polling to make that claim. Do you realize how many issues polls have supported the argument that Dems should move left, especially on economic issues?


Note she also ignored that Bernie's support did better in that poll than Biden's support did.

 

[get these nets]

If Bridge-gate never happens, I think Christie would have gotten the nomination. He had the momentum, the brusque attitude (that apparently resonated with a lot of voters), and the executive level experience and track record.

His fall helped to give Trump part of the opening he needed to crawl through the cracks.

 

[the cac mamba]

Wait, you just posted a conservative Republican strategist arguing Dems should move to the right?


Hilarious that she's using issues polling to make that claim. Do you realize how many issues polls have supported the argument that Dems should move left, especially on economic issues?


Note she also ignored that Bernie's support did better in that poll than Biden's support did.

no, you're right. lets just keep using strategy like this

 

[Jalether]

Pretty much the exact progression.

A LOT of what is wrong with politics today is the descendant of Gingrich purposely fukking up the system.

Yep it was all by design

 

[Jalether]

Wait, you just posted a conservative Republican strategist arguing Dems should move to the right?


Hilarious that she's using issues polling to make that claim. Do you realize how many issues polls have supported the argument that Dems should move left, especially on economic issues?


Note she also ignored that Bernie's support did better in that poll than Biden's support did.

nevermind that the dems are already a center right (some would even argue right wing) party while republicans
are just straight up far right fascist

The dems have been moving to the right since 80's and that regression is what has led to the Joe liberman, joe manchin era. It's also interesting that the media or so called strategist never petition republicans to move to the center or left on any issues, it's the dems, who are already center right, that has to keep dancing to the tune of their opponent and moving further right.

FDR is rolling in his grave

 

[Professor Emeritus]

nevermind that the dems are already a center right (some would even argue right wing) party while republicans
are just straight up far right fascist

The dems have been moving to the right since 80's and that regression is what has led to the Joe liberman, joe manchin era. It's also interesting that the media or so called strategist never petition republicans to move to the center or left on any issues, it's the dems, who are already center right, that has to keep dancing to the tune of their opponent and moving further right.

FDR is rolling in his grave

Democrats try to toss social issues lip service to their base (BLM! Marriage equality! Trans lives matter!) as a cover for screwing them over on economic issues. Literally the exact same shyt the Republican Party does, they're just targeting different social issues.

 

[mc_brew]

i never thought trump would win for sure until after he did... but when it was clear he was going to win the repug nomination, i knew he had a 50/50 chance at winning it all....

so much went wrong in 2016 and nothing has been done to fix any of those issues... trump is the front runner for 2024 and probably a shoo-in to win....

i honestly don't know what could possibly stop him.... while there are tens of millions of people who loathed trump, there are tens of millions that loathed biden as well... the difference? there are tens of millions who LOOOOOOVE trump, no one likes biden... they just loathed trump... 2024 is not looking good....