when hillary clinton defeated bernie sanders in the primary
At what point during 2016 election campaign did it dawn on you that Trump might actually win
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That Comey shyt was the nail in the coffin
You have a point. I think the GOP,just like the rest of us, didn't take him seriously till it was too late
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I agree with ya.
I was following the odds on 538 and a week before the election they shrunk down to 70% Clinton 30% Trump. And I was like fuuuuuuck.....30% is closer to 50% than to 0%.....until then I hadn't taken the fluctuations in her lead that seriously, but at that point it was too close to the election.
That's intellectually though, I know I didn't really believe it because the entire day after the election felt completely surreal. And I didn't even fukk with Clinton, but I didn't really want to deal with a country where Donald Trump could win with THAT campaign.
That's intellectually though, I know I didn't really believe it because the entire day after the election felt completely surreal. And I didn't even fukk with Clinton, but I didn't really want to deal with a country where Donald Trump could win with THAT campaign.
Would it be fair to say that that was the greatest norms-shattering event in American election history? Until that moment, I don't think anyone would have believed that a candidate could do something like that and still win. Now we are willing to believe anything - I mean "grab her by the p*ssy" seems tame compared to Trump's pandemic response, refusal to accept election results, and insurrection support....yet we're talking like he's a frontrunner for 2024 no matter what he does.
If it was reported tomorrow that Trump had punched Melania and given her a black eye, would it even affect his chances?
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For me it was this moment
When comey made the announcement at the press conference, that's when I started doubting Clinton's
chances, before then, I thought she had it in the bag
what was the moment for you?
This was the moment. It was a lifeline to moderates to vote for Trump without feeling like complete racists.
While grab em by the p*ssy was more scandalous, the mexicans are rapist and drug dealer comment came before the access hollywood tape and that was the real beginning of the erosion of norms in politics.
No presidential candidate in the past would have survived that comment
The media already gave "moderates" cover to vote for trump with economic anxiety narrative
Till this day she blames bernie,who btw campaigned for her in multiple state, for her loss in the midwest.
I dunno about that, politicians have been plenty racist in the past. Up through Woodrow Wilson at least it was accepted to be openly racist in public, and as recently as LBJ or Reagan everyone knew they were super racist in their personal actions (LBJ using the N-word, Reagan calling Africans "monkeys") even if they weren't allowed to say it explicitly in their speeches. Reagan had his whole "welfare queen" schtik and straight up went to the Neshoba County Fair talking about "state's rights", which is one of the biggest dog whistles for anti-black people. Nixon's political advisor did an open story with the New York Times saying that his campaign was going to focus on attracting the "negrophobes" into the Republican party. And lots of politicians had already used very strong anti-immigration language - illegal immigrants had frequently been referred to as criminals and drug-runners already, how much further is it to call them rapists?
Trump campaign riot/fight in Chicago.
Being racist in provate and using coded language aka dog whistles like states rights, welfare queens etal
isn not the same as being overtly racist and just straight up calling mexicans rapist and drug dealers
Also 2015 was a far more progressive and politically correct era than the 60s-80s. That comment should have sank his campaign no matter how you slice it.