At what point does rap music completely dissolve into extinction?

[Ziploc]

It won't go extinct as a genre but musically it will be far gone from its origin and just like with house music the narrative will be totally rewritten and some of the pioneers whitewashed. Rick Rubin will have invented hip hop in about 30yrs from now,Em will be the best rapper to ever exist.

 

[TL15]

Swing and big band are subgenres of jazz so I wouldn't count them. And doo-wop is an r&b subgenre. Plus that's over 50 years ago. You bring up an interesting point though: music has phases, trends, movements, subgenres. Some things that were very current or mainstream at one point phase out completely. Other stuff sticks around in some form or fashion. You don't hear much trip hop today compared to 1997. Or if you bring something back today, you get hailed as a genius. House music never really died, it simply left the consciousness of black mainstream audiences. But when Beyonce does a house album suddenly certain people think it's the most innovate thing ever. Everything goes in cycles.

Something will happen soon. I need white boys to put down the Playboy Carti records and pick up a bass or something. Let's go.

I mean if we go down the rabbit hole eventually we can just say “music is artistic expression so technically no genre is ever lost” etc. etc. creating sub genres defeats the point of any conversation. All music is a “subgenre” of art, etc.

Big band like the 20s is dead. It’s not coming back in any real form minus nostalgia

Swing is dead. It’s not coming back

 

[cheek100]

Real question

Where would one play this music, particular this song that you posted at these days?

And how would it go in that setting?

Jus me in the truck breh lol one of my kids put me on

 

[Bondye Vodou]

Never.

Hip hop will live forever. It's popularity and relevancy might wane in the future but it will always be alive. Mfs are dropping dope jazz albums in 2024. The vultures might disappear, but hip hop ain't going nowhere

Lanks?

 

[Art Barr]

NWA changed the game, but there was a period between circa 1990 - 1992 where conscious hip hop was popular. ATCQ, and even Ice Cubes first solo album had consciousness in it. You also had Queen Latifah, Kid n Play, Pete Rock & CL Smooth etc.


What you're talking about happened in circa 1992 - 1995 with the rise of Death Row and the east coast sound pivot to more street.

Will Smith even coined it the dark ages of rap.

No.

This occurred cognitively in the marketplace from ruthless records and the actual early conversion years of American society beginning of the crack generation.

One I feel you were not cognitive for nwa debuting on 20/20.

That to dismiss the inception of the crack generation.

for the next large change during the communications act.
The communications act was the next wave of mass urban decay and deconstruction of keynesian theories being removed prevalently from America.




Art Barr

 

[iliketurtles]

As long as drake is putting out music we good

 

[BigTyme Records]

Rap is gonna be like jazz eventually. Was the dominant genre but as time went by it became more and more niche

Same will happen to rap. Just give it time

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

No.

This occurred cognitively in the marketplace from ruthless records and the actual early conversion years of American society beginning of the crack generation.

One I feel you were not cognitive for nwa debuting on 20/20.

That to dismiss the inception of the crqcj generation.

for the next largechange during the communications act.
The communications act was the next wave of mass urban decay and deconstruction of keynesian theories being removed prevalently from America.




Art Barr

nikka I grew up in that era Too Short and Ice T were poppin before NWA.

Then you got 2 Live Crew. The crack era was already in full swing by the time NWA dropped. Straight Outta Compton was the 2nd album. They pretty much changed their whole sound. And they became popular because of the fukk the Police song.

 

[Art Barr]

Just like rock & roll, hip-hop will continue to recreate itself as each generation carries the mantle.

Whether older generations embrace the new iterations of it or not.

Actually the music we here today.
Is more akin to actual rock slash electronica pop. Mixed with vocal pitching ai that emulated house meets world music. Than anything produced from any skill in a pillar of hiphop.


True.
They have misappropriated rhe brain trust to how reg knot crested the brand of marketing misappropriated from him while at leo Burnett.

Yet rhe actual music.
that is released are pop world music slash misappropriated rnb.
Where nothing in general is related at all to hiphop.
Besides how it is marketed visually.
Everything in the actual music is Sharon apple prison industrial economy style rnb.

Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

nikka I grew up in that era Too Short and Ice T were poppin before NWA.

Then you got 2 Live Crew. The crack era was already in full swing by the time NWA dropped. Straight Outta Compton was the 2nd album. They pretty much changed their whole sound. And they became popular because of the fukk the Police song.

nikka when nwa came out.

Every nikka who was a random.
decided they could be this prison Industrial economy thing.
right when the beginning boom of nwa began from 20/20 premiere of straight out of Compton. Which was banned on mtv and pr'd as such. Yet debuted on disney network national premiere news twenty twenty tv show in late night prime time sir ski.

Before nwa.
back when too short and ice t were out.
Predated by schooly d.

Even in the beginning fake Mr magic Miami bass era predating ice t or too short. Or even schooly d.

. No just general random.
now known as a npc was generally just in a gang.
That began from nwa sir.

Again you talking like you were not cognitive for nwa.

Like you heard ice t and too short and Luke.
From your bedroom.
Yet we're not outside yet.

nikka I was outside.
before crack during peruvian flake.
From nwa is when general random nikkaz joined gangs and got brave.


how old are you breh?
Are you from a grassroots organized American gang area as well.

If not.

You talking about just random street violence and drugs. Or from areas where they have what used to be called, crews.
Not actual urban intellectual space from actual real large organized American gang.
I am from Chicago a real large urban intellectual space where grassroot gangs were created.

so if you not speaking from a space like that. You talking about two different things.

I an speaking.
actually from the space as a bboy from three pillars. There in the midst of actual real grassroots juxtaposed from hiphop entirely gang activity.

If you Not from Chicago or LA at the very least like that. You speaking from a crew or gang transplanted based arena.
Plus you not actualized publically in any ideal as a grassroots draw in a pillar of hiphop.

Which is totally fukkin different from actual grassroots urban intellectual gang space. Which is totally juxtaposed from hiphop.
Ain't no gangstas in hiphop.
where I am from in general period.
So you speaking like oh.
it was one big family beteeen being a gangsta and being in hiphop is not true at all.


so stop.




Art Barr

 

[DOSDUMUNI]

Actually the music we here today.
Is more akin to actual rock slash electronica pop. Mixed with vocal pitching ai that emulated house meets world music. Than anything produced from any skill in a pillar of hiphop.


True.
They have misappropriated rhe brain trust to how reg knot crested the brand of marketing misappropriated from him while at leo Burnett.

Yet rhe actual music.
that is released are pop world music slash misappropriated rnb.
Where nothing in general is related at all to hiphop.
Besides how it is marketed visually.
Everything in the actual music is Sharon apple prison industrial economy style rnb.

Art Barr

Art Barr with all due respect I love your contributions to this site and I rock with you breh but what in the entire fukk are you saying

 

[THE 101]

Lanks?

Check out the albums Kamasi Washington, Shabaka and Fabiano do Nascimento & Sam Gendel dropped this year.

 

[Art Barr]

Art Barr with all due respect I love your contributions to this site and I rock with you breh but what in the entire fukk are you saying

this new music is like rock music.
where it sounds like black people took rock back.
mixed with autotune and pitch augmentation.
that at the end of the day.

the music now should be called device.
as real talk..all this new music needs a device to generally perform.


art barr


i go indepth in this thread on this shyt.
that to go further in this thread would be do great of a deep dive on a gateway thread such as this.

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-prophecy-of-macross-pluss-sharon-apple-reality.181052/

anyway.
if you wanna more indepth idea of what i think of the current music and the talent.
check the link.


art barr

 

[diggy]

Shyt is here fa eva

I didn't even know there was a version with him on there
shyt got me jookin at 4:35 am

 

[bourgeoisie tall freak]

people tend to confuse what they pay attention to, to how things actually are
main character syndrome type shyt
but believe it or not there are a lot of people out here who never heard of lil yachty
so, i suggest you find what you actually want to listen to (because it is out there even if it's not being spoon fed to you), instead of thinking everybody feels the same way you do to the point you think it's going to impact a whole genre
and stop complaining, because acting like a bytch only got tyler perry famous