At What Point Did Being A 'New York Rapper' Stop Carrying Weight?

[bogey_j]

let's keep it 100% reality..

EVERY coast at one point in time stanned NYC because NYC created hip hop. they all learned from new york what hip hop swag was all about. bun b, scarface, ice t, cube, dre, etc. all show love to the new york OG's that started this shyt

but there definitely came a point where being from new york went from being to to folks from other coasts

when did this shift happen exactly?

 

[Bugsmoran]

When lil wayne became "best rapper alive"

 

[BrothaZay]

Rise of Death Row

 

[No_bammer_weed]

I dunno...prolly around 05/06....coincidentally around the same time that the quality of hip hop fell off a cliff.

 

[the cac mamba]

the rise of NWA

 

[Ninjaz In Paris]

2006...

 

[DANJ!]

I dunno...prolly around 05/06....coincidentally around the same time that the quality of hip hop fell off a cliff.

^^^This right here...

After 2004 is pretty much where all that lost its power. Up to that point, you still had G-Unit, Dipset, and D-Block going strong and having a street presence. All three of those entities started losing relevance and/or splitting apart. Then you factor in Jay being inactive, Fat Joe losing momentum and really starting to hop on the Southern bandwagon, people like Nas and Mobb starting to become viewed as the "old guard"... etc. A lot of that happened at the same time, while the South was starting to really pump out numerous stars around the same time.

 

[bogey_j]

the rise of NWA

the fukk you squinting your bytch ass eyes at breh?

 

[Kisame]

That titled stopped carrying weight the moment other regions stepped their game up plus ny rappers thought that their title where enough to take them to the top

 

[the cac mamba]

the fukk you squinting your bytch ass eyes at breh?

1988 being an option

 

[Average Coli Poster]

The South Bulldozed the whole east coast into the ground.

At one point (round 04-08) it was just too strong.

Lil Wayne,TI, Young Jeezy, Outkast, Usher, Ludacris, Rick Ross dropping heatrocks back to back to back

 

[Loud Still Coolin]

never thread over

labels still weighted up in nyc

 

[Vinny Lupton]

around the same time (04-06) this all happened

jay escalated to illuminati/national act
dips started letting people besides heatmakerz do their tracks
dips let the c-team rock while the a-team like cam disappeared and juelz does whatever juelz been doing for 10years (nintendo and folding his bandana)
x went on his crack binge era
after 50 killed ja, 50 started rapping like ja
mobb deep dropped a doodoo album
rise of "mixtape weezy" and t.i. (ppl forget TI was the biggest rapper in the world in 2006)
kanye made being fashionable and sensitive more important than being a thug with BARS
original producers like toomp and storch started making 5-star beats which made sampling even less appealing (already too expensive)
Lil Jon captivated white people's hearts
nas lost interest when his mom died
street dvd's and mixtapes lost their power when the internet went hood


combine all that and it was for NYC


edit: also no new real stars. Lloyd Banks was probably the last new guy from NYC to blow up. The South got new stars every year

 

[wingzboy]

2006ish

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Yeah I'd say somewhere around the mid-aughts like people have mentioned already...I've always said that the whole "nyc rap fell off" thing was really just about new york sensibilities not having sway on rap orthodoxy by pretty much default anymore...the rise of the internet pretty much eliminated the last remnants of new york bias really dictating the culture to any significant extent... the old guard new york based rap media outlets (print magazines, the radio and outdated label a&r model) saw their voices diminished...people from anywhere could be exposed to and keep up with every little local scene all across the world in real time, so every rapper (and every local scene as a whole) is competing with not just the rappers in their town but with everybody across the country...it became a cultural free market...at that point, being from new york didn't mean much of anything in and of itself...became just another of any number of local scenes...i think new york, from the rappers to the djs to the fans, had grown so accosstomed to what amounted to institutional advantages afforded to new york rap that they were kinda shell shocked when forced to compete on equal footing...hence the whole "what happened to nyc rap the sky is falling, hip hop is dead" sh!t the last how many ever years