As violence returns to '90s level, so does response from Black leadership, Oakland NAACP asks city to get tougher on crime/* Mayor & DA recalled

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

I don't like this shyt where "crime" means "black crime" or is a codeword for black people. The NAACP telling people "it's not racist to speak out about crime" and implying that all the crime in a metropolitan area is black people is some bullshyt. THOSE OTHER GROUPS ARE COMMITTING CRIMES TOO.

Who’s committing it disproportionately? The black people in that area are victims too. So it makes sense to have the NAACP involved.

 

[the cac mamba]

Stopping copaganda and getting cops to actually do their jobs

what's that look like, in terms of stopping violent crime

 

[TripleAgent]

Is it the government’s job to teach you to be productive? No, but if they allow/foster an environment where corporations get to act with impunity, outsource relentlessly, and not pay people living wages, this is what happens.

You have to have that mindset to get out of poverty in the first place. Where in Oakland do these people have to go to get a job that would lift them out of poverty? People with Bachelor's Degrees are baristas at Starbucks. If there is no legit opportunity, it doesn't matter what mindset you have.

What is the government going to do to create self supporting jobs for people in this area? IDK, but I've already explained what they did to help fukk it all up. Startwith undoing a bunch of that.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

Violence isn't returning to 90s levels. Stop lying. Repeating those same mistakes from the 90s isn't going to fix shyt, either.

Failed leadership, including the movement to defund the police, our District Attorney’s unwillingness to charge and prosecute people who murder and commit life threatening serious crimes, and the proliferation of anti-police rhetoric have created a heyday for Oakland criminals. If there are no consequences for committing crime in Oakland, crime will continue to soar.

You can tell a cop wrote this. It's full of the same lies and disinformation about police reform and it's blaming the wrong people for the anti-police sentiment. And it's using the same lies about DAs charging violent criminals. There was no defunding in Oakland. Their current police budget is $722m. And their murder clearance rate is one of the lowest in the country. Maybe they should start using those budgets more wisely instead of letting people get rich off overtime.

Oakland, Calif., is a prime example of that vicious circle. The city's per capita homicide rate remains abnormally high and its murder solve rate is among the lowest in the nation, hitting just 36% last year. If you take out the handful of older, "cold" cases that were solved during 2022, the clearance rate in Oakland just 27%, an analysis by the S.F. Chronicle shows.

Oakland didn't cut any money from the police budget at all

The Oakland City Council didn't make any cuts to the police budget at all; in fact, the police were allotted about $39 million more than in the previous two years.

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Despite calls to defund police, Oakland PD's budget increased nearly 18% since 2019, I-Team found

ABC7's data analysis found that OPD's budget increased by 17.9 percent from 2019 to 2022. So, how was all the money spent? Here's what the I-Team uncovered.

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Spoiler

Despite years of widespread calls to defund the police, the Oakland Police Department budget increased nearly 18 percent since the pre-pandemic. City council leaders are raising questions about how it's being spent.

According to an ABC Owned Television Stations analysis of over 100 city and county budgets nationwide, local spending on police increased in 90 percent of locations since 2019. Out of the three police agencies we looked at in the Bay Area, Oakland saw the largest increase, despite promises from city leaders to do just the opposite.

ABC7's data analysis found that OPD's budget increased by 17.9 percent from 2019 to 2022, compared to a 17.6 percent increase in San Jose Police Department's budget and a 4.4 percent increase in San Francisco Police Department's budget -- although SFPD saw a larger increase in fiscal year 2019-2020 before the budget decreased for the next two fiscal years.

In a live interview with ABC7 News on June 10, 2020, Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf said OPD would see the largest funding cut in the 2021 budget.

"We need to invest in more non-law enforcement methods of safety," Mayor Schaff said in the interview.

But the reality is that never happened.

Data analyzed by the ABC7 News I-Team found the budget increased by more than $11.4 million that year.

Fast forward a year later, city leaders celebrated what they called a 'historic vote' to defund the police. In June 2021, Oakland city council voted to cut nearly $20 million from its police force to other programs aimed to help prevent crime and address mental illness. But the headline at the time didn't reveal the full story.

Oakland City Councilman Noel Gallo says its money that hasn't been spent wisely as the department faces a staffing shortage.

"We did not defund the police," said Gallo. "The money is in the budget."

 

[I'm Blackman]

in for the discussion

 

[YouMadd?]

I'm a black liberal, but i agee. I prefer "good policing" to "tough policing" and since people in this country do everything they can to keep them from being held to a higher standard and having accountability, simply invoking more tougher policies will only serve to hurt innocent black folks as much as it does criminals.

Far better to address issues that contribute to that behavior, and yes its the result of issues/environment/economics etc. Nobody is predisposed to commit crimes.

What if the main issue that contributes to the behavior is low morals? What’s the solution? Teach people how to be good people?

 

[8WON6]

Who’s committing it disproportionately? The black people in that area are victims too. So it makes sense to have the NAACP involved.

The NAACP telling people "its not racist to speak up about crime" is implying that crime=black people. It's that simple. This is silly bullshyt. They could have simply said "we want* to support better policing on crime" and been done with it, but they out here with this black crime pathology bullshyt.

 

[Luke Cage]

What if the main issue that contributes to the behavior is low morals? What’s the solution? Teach people how to be good people?

Morality is a mental construct not a tangible piece of reality. A law abiding citizen that doesn't bother anyone can be of low moral character and a piece of shyt.
low morals is literally just a judgement you're making not a cause or an effect of an actual crime.

sounds corny but It's about law and order. not law and morals, Obeying the law is not meant to make you a good person. just to bring about order.

 

[TripleAgent]

What if the main issue that contributes to the behavior is low morals? What’s the solution? Teach people how to be good people?

I'd argue Jeff Bezos has very low morals, but he would kick, scream and probably cry like a child if you tried to force him to do that kind of dumb shyt and risk all that he acquired. He has shyt to lose.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

The NAACP telling people "its not racist to speak up about crime" is implying that crime=black people. It's that simple. This is silly bullshyt. They could have simply said "we want* to support better policing on crime" and been done with it, but they out here with this black crime pathology bullshyt.

You are correct, and yet if this doesn't happen without SOME black input we're going to see an overcorrection and overreaction that further erodes civil rights concerns.

Theres nothing but bad options here so you better AT LEAST have representatives at the table.

 

[Pull Up the Roots]

You are correct, and yet if this doesn't happen without SOME black input we're going to see an overcorrection and overreaction that further erodes civil rights concerns.

Theres nothing but bad options here so you better AT LEAST have representatives at the table.

Representatives were at the table the last time and they were ignored.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Im confused, so what is your solution?

A more equitable economy is the only solution.


Address the negative upward mobility for Black males in this country

The massive new study on race and economic mobility in America, explained

Even black men born to wealthy families are less economically successful than white men.

www.vox.com

Upward mobility for black males are is the best in diverse neighborhoods.

Black upward mobility strongest in diverse neighborhoods with mentorship opportunities, says Census Bureau

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Representatives were at the table the last time and they were ignored.

Yeah, thats what happens sometimes. Thats life.

You can get 20% of what you want or 0% of what you want.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

A more equitable economy is the only solution.


Address the negative upward mobility for Black males in this country

The massive new study on race and economic mobility in America, explained

Even black men born to wealthy families are less economically successful than white men.

www.vox.com

Upward mobility for black males are is the best in diverse neighborhoods.

Black upward mobility strongest in diverse neighborhoods with mentorship opportunities, says Census Bureau

Whats this gotta do with crime?

Like see why this convo always devolves into some weird shyt?

People dont want crime. Yall are talking about upward mobility. Thats two different projects.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Whats this gotta do with crime?

Like see why this convo always devolves into some weird shyt?

People dont want crime. Yall are talking about upward mobility. Thats two different projects.

What's weird about acknowledging that the lack of economic mobility is a driving force of crime?


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