As it turns out, illegal immigrants DO have rights!

[theworldismine13]

It isn't even caping. It's just pointing out that illegal aliens still benefits form the protections of our constitution. Despite their illegal status I will stand by what makes America, America and that's our constitution.

Why are you fighting against the constitution so hard? Are you unamerican?

how am i fighting against the constitution

i said that illegal immigrants do have rights

and i said there are immigration courts

are you saying immigration courts are unconstitutional or unamerican? or are you just ignorant? or both?

 

[bnew]

They are not citizens of the USA and no they should not benefit from the USA or be protected by USA law...

They are criminals...they broken the law and violated the USA borders...I don't get what is so hard to understand about that....

So yeah...they should be quickly given a trial and get kicked out...

Citizenship should mean something...supporting open borders and breaching of national boundaries is ridiculous...

So much foul, despicable shyt have been done just off those sayings alone which is why i'm against the demagoguery of this whole illegal human business.

P.S did you copy that from Reddit . I've seen that argument word for word at least a 100 times on that site.

 

[theworldismine13]

you do realize that you cant just round people up and deport them, only immigration judges can deport people, the exception is some people that get caught at the border

that is why the hoopla over Guadalupe Garcia was so ridiculous, the government cant just deport her, she has to go through a judge and then the judge decides whether to deport her or not

her rights were not violated, she went in front of judge, pleaded her case and the judge ruled against her, she got the due process that was her right, her not liking the judges decision doesnt mean her rights were violated and that goes for anybody else that is ordered deported by a judge

 

[Pressure]

how am i fighting against the constitution

i said that illegal immigrants do have rights

and i said there are immigration courts

are you saying immigration courts are unconstitutional or unamerican? or are you just ignorant? or both?

All I've said is they have rights offered under the 14th Amendment. You've tried to turn this into caping for illegal immigrants.

 

[Pressure]

you do realize that you cant just round people up and deport them, only immigration judges can deport people, the exception is some people that get caught at the border

that is why the hoopla over Guadalupe Garcia was so ridiculous, the government cant just deport her, she has to go through a judge and then the judge decides whether to deport her or not

That was actually changed with Trump EO to expand expedited removal policy.

Dramatic expansion of Expedited Removal under Trump’s Executive Order on Border Security

 

[theworldismine13]

That was actually changed with Trump EO to expand expedited removal policy.

Dramatic expansion of Expedited Removal under Trump’s Executive Order on Border Security

yeah if you crossed over recently, then you can get deported right away................and?

its not in the link, but expedited process only applies to illegal immgrants from mexico btw

your own link explains how expedited removal is still due process, did you read your own link?

What does Due Process of law look like in Expedited Removal proceedings?

The Regulations outline a very specific procedure that an ICE Official must complete in order to effectuate Expedited Removal against an individual in the United States. 8 CFR § 235(b)(2)(i).

The ICE Officer must:

1) The ICE Officer must create a Record of Proceeding using Form I-867AB, Record of Sworn Statement in Removal Proceedings.

2) The ICE Officer must read the individual in proceedings all the information on the form,

3) The ICE Officer must question the individual’s statement regarding identity, alienage, and inadmissibility, and

4) The ICE Officer must record the individual’s response to the questions,

5) The ICE Officer must have the individual read (or read to the individual) the statement,

6) The individual must sign and initial each page of the statement and each correction.

7) The ICE Officer must inform the individual of the immigration charges against him or her on Form I-860

8) The ICE Officer must provide the individual the opportunity to respond to the charges in the sworn statement.

9) The ICE Officer must submit the Sworn Statement and Notice of Order of Expedited Removal to ICE Supervisor

10) The ICE Officer must serve the Notice of Order of Expedited Removal on the individual

11) The individual in removal proceedings must sign the Order of Expedited Removal to confirm receipt. 8 CFR § 235(b)(2)(i).

Individuals who do not wish to be removed without a hearing should request to see their attorney immediately upon apprehension by ICE authorities.

Individuals who do not wish to be removed without a hearing, should not provide any information to the ICE Officer regarding their identity, alienage or admissibility without their attorney present.

Individuals who do not wish to be removed without a hearing should not sign any documents requested by an ICE officer without an attorney present.

We encourage individuals to Know Your Rights, have a plan in place if you or a family member is detained or apprehended by ICE, to make sure documentation of at least two years of residence in the United States is organized and easy to access, and to contact an experienced immigration attorney if necessary.

For information, please contact Kolko & Associates, P.C.

so the question still stands, why are you caping for illegal immigrants, why are you claiming that illegal immigrants dont get due process when they do?

 

[theworldismine13]

All I've said is they have rights offered under the 14th Amendment. You've tried to turn this into caping for illegal immigrants.

ok, thank you for sharing that information with us, hopefully I was able to expand your knowledge of the immgration system and how due process is already applied to illegal immigrants

 

[AlainLocke]

So much foul, despicable shyt have been done just off off the those sayings alone which is why i'm against the demagoguery of this whole illegal human business.

P.S did you copy that from Reddit . I've seen that argument word for word at least a 100 times on that site.

If they ain't Black and citizens...I don't care what is done with them...

I never seen this much compassion from a bunch of people that illegally entered the country and took advantage of its stupid anchor baby law...and spawned a bunch of illegal immigrant babies...

Black people should be furious that a country would care more about what is done to a bunch of illegals, instead of its underclass that is descended from slaves...and never got it's just due...

They aren't citizens, they weren't invited, they weren't welcomed, they are law breakers and an insurgent population...and they should be rounded up and sent back where the fukk they came from...

Read them whatever rights they have and give them the

 

[AlainLocke]

Do you believe in the concept of human rights?

I don't, shyt is stupid...

Human Rights/Natural Rights (not legal rights, but you know the whole "inalienable" type of rights) like Free Will or God are just necessary human beliefs...that majority of us have so we can cope with being human...


You don't have human rights/ natural rights because you cannot revoke them...they are simply enforced by force whether by the government or the threat of revolt by the citizenry...

You can't go any government and be like..."I revoke my human/natural rights..."

 

[Pressure]

yeah if you crossed over recently, then you can get deported right away................and?

its not in the link, but expedited process only applies to illegal immgrants from mexico btw

your own link explains how expedited removal is still due process, did you read your own link?



so the question still stands, why are you caping for illegal immigrants, why are you claiming that illegal immigrants dont get due process when they do?

Expedited removal circumvents immigration courts. It's legal, but it goes against your statement that illegal immigrants cannot be deported without an immigration judge. Your initial statement was false.

Expedited removal does not only apply to Mexicans. Again, you're spouting a falsehood

Expedited removal applies for people who do not have proper documentation and have come to the US in under 2 years.

You have no defense to stop an expedited removal beyond being an asylum seeker or not giving them your identity. An appeal will not stop you from being deported. Again, another falsehood you're attempting to perpetuate and is not in line with the current policy.

I have at no point said that expedited removals are illegal nor do they violate due process. What I did say is that under expedited removals you are not guaranteed a day in front of a judge in immigration court. A straw man you attempted to slip in.

What's your goal here? You can search through my post, but you're not going to find me complaining about people being deported, illegal immigrants being denied entry, or any prosecution that comes as a result of their illegal status.

 

[Phoenix Rising]

London, Dublin, Puerto Aventuras.. What's your point?

Edited for ones where I was there for work or an extended amount of time.

How long did you live in each?

None really...I'm always interested in knowing people's experience with the world.

I'm finding it interesting that people think the U.S. is the only country that has immigration policies.

When I lived and worked in London I remember I had to register with the police because I was staying for a while...this was back in the early 2000s though.

 

[Pressure]

How long did you live in each?

None really...I'm always interested in knowing people's experience with the world.

I'm finding it interesting that people think the U.S. is the only country that has immigration policies.

When I lived and worked in London I remember I had to register with the police because I was staying for a while...this was back in the early 2000s though.

Just a few months each. It was for projects. My personal experience is that it was an extremely large hassle. I have some friends from college who were canadian who have been deported and talking with them the US policies were just as cumbersome. The major difference for me, from the US to those countries is how easy it is to go from country to country due to proximity compared to the US. Which i think should be taken into consideration when comparing policies.

That said, I don't have problems with immigration laws or even strict immigration laws when they make sense. I think Xenophobia is stupid. Working in tech I find strong value in economic globalization. I'm a mixed bag on military intervention.

 

[David_TheMan]

Do you believe in the concept of human rights?

I believe in the concept of rights, I believe in the concept of negative rights, I don't believe in the assertion of positive rights or that rights come from a creator or nature.

 

[the cac mamba]

You asked who deserves to have basic human rights as though no one was suggesting Illegal immigrants shouldn't. I gave you Cac Mamba's post staying that they are welcome to have basic human rights in their home country. Ya'll figure it out.

just to reiterate; i was saying that they ARE given human rights, but your definition of human rights seems to be 'they can come here illegally and not get deported'

so if thats the definition of 'human rights', then no they shouldnt be given those

 

[Phoenix Rising]

Just a few months each. It was for projects. My personal experience is that it was an extremely large hassle. I have some friends from college who were canadian who have been deported and talking with them the US policies were just as cumbersome. The major difference for me, from the US to those countries is how easy it is to go from country to country due to proximity compared to the US. Which i think should be taken into consideration when comparing policies.

That said, I don't have problems with immigration laws or even strict immigration laws when they make sense. I think Xenophobia is stupid. Working in tech I find strong value in economic globalization. I'm a mixed bag on military intervention.

Well...it's relatively easy to travel to Mexico from the U.S. For the longest time you didn't even need a passport to enter Mexico from the U.S. (I think 9/11 changed that). But traveling to other countries in Latin America at least requires a Passport (and always has to my knowledge).

Truth be told I never found travel from the U.S. to either Canada or Mexico a hassle. Having a Passport isn't a hassle to me anyway...

Now immigrating to any country is always a hassle.

For example, London, they don't let you stay there at all...you will get deported if you overstay (at least you can get deported because you are breaking the law). Again, they track you by making you register with the police with your work visa.

I know in Japan same thing. I was there for travel not to long ago and it was pretty easy for me to fly around from city to city (I was going to layover in South Korea but didn't...I regret that ). But it's not at all easy to live in Japan without proper papers.

I'm confused as to why people are equating travel with living in a country. ..Most countries have huge barriers preventing people from setting up shop without immigrating properly.

What about U.S. immigration laws don't make sense to you?